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He follows a man and man made tabloid views......the JW's are very subtle....

Hey....how many revisions have there been of the Watch Tower Society comic book?

Let's see.....at first only 144,000 would be saved out of the JW's and when the elders started dropping like flies they had to revive that number so as to keep their ranks growing....I mean after all....if only 144,000 of your denomination can possibly be saved and your ranks swell to 144,001.....which poor sucker will not make the grade?

Sorry pay, you missed it by one of our religious works <--said to the 1 that did not make the cut......

My such arrogant slanders and insult.
How...churchy
 
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Hey.....can you explain the following? Especially the bolded 1st line.....Taken from the following link https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/changed-watchtower-teachings.php

changed teachings Key to jwfacts.com is the concept that God does not direct Watchtower doctrinal interpretation, as proven by the ongoing changes to Watchtower doctrine.
A Witness will retort that the Bible prophesied "Light Gets Brighter" and so changes are indication Watchtower it is directed by Jehovah. This is nothing more than justification for error.
This section helps prove that the concept of getting brighter is not valid. In many cases, Watchtower doctrine has not brightened or been enhanced but changed and then reverted back to the original position; flip-flopped. At other times, Watchtower has introduced doctrine as having come from Jehovah, only to later make a complete reversal to what was said. Following are a number of these doctrine.
Changed Date Doctrine 1800s

This article covers some of the lesser known failed predictions and changed date doctrine of the Watchtower Society. For many decades the Watchtower taught that the last days started in 1799, Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874 and the world would end in 1914. This article outlines over 20 dates no longer taught as truth. more ...
1914

One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the "start" of the conclusion of this system of things. In reality, 1914 was predicted to be the "end" of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise. Here is a comparison of quotes prior to 1914 with how the Watchtower now presents its history. more ...
1925 - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!"

In 1918, Rutherford announced "The World Has Ended - Millions Now Living May Never Die!", declaring that the earthly resurrection was scheduled for 1925. In March, a booklet was produced with the more compelling title “The World Has Ended — Millions Now Living Will Never Die”. The failure of this prophecy promoted Rutherford to rewrite the majority of Watchtower date doctrine. more ...
1935 & Increasing Memorial Partakers

For many decades it was taught that selection of the 144,000 was completed in 1935. After this announcement the number of memorial partakers steadily declined. This was presented as proof that the end would be soon. In 2007, an admission appeared that there was no basis for saying the choosing of the Anointed closed in 1935. In the years since 2007 the number of partakers has started to rise again. It is interesting that errors in Watchtower doctrine can dictate whether a follower believes they have been Anointed by Jesus. more ...
1975

The Watchtower made the assertion that Adam was created 6000 years prior to 1975 and so this was a likely year for Armageddon. However, most Witnesses deny such false predictions for the end. This article contains a majority of the quotes regarding 1975 so the reader can determine for themselves whether the Watchtower was responsible for excitement that the end would be 1975. more ...
Beth-Sarim

In line with Rutherford's prediction that the earthly resurrection was to begin in 1925 was the purchase of a mansion at Beth-Sarim, for the "ancient worthies" to live in. Whilst waiting for this occurrence, Rutherford conveniently used it as his place of residence for the winter months. more ...
Baptism Questions

There has been an ongoing tightening of the procedure to become a Jehovah's Witness. Most disturbing was the change in 1985, after which a Witness no longer gets baptised in the "name of the ... holy spirit", but rather to God's "spirit directed organization". more ...
Christmas, Birthdays & Flag Salute

Jehovah's Witnesses are strictly forbidden to celebrate birthdays, Christmas and salute the flag, but for many decades were encouraged to engage in these practices. more ...
Da Vinci Code - Freemasonry & Adventist links

Russell was an offshoot of the 1800's Adventist movement, and included many of their teaching, including those with links back to Freemasonry. This includes the use of symbols such as the knights templar. He placed special emphasis on the pyramid of Giza and used it as a basis for his predictions for the world's end in 1914. more ...
Elder arrangement

The changing elders arrangement highlights the way Witnesses are manipulated to fall in line with statements that such changes have come from Jehovah. When these arrangements fail, it shows Jehovah was not involved at all. more ...
Generation

One of the clearest indicators that Jehovah does not direct Watchtower doctrine has been the ongoing, contradictory changes to the generation teaching. The idea that some born prior to 1914 would still be alive to see Armageddon was the basis for many Witnesses faith, until the doctrine had to be adjusted in 1995. The 2010 "overlapping" generation can be seen as a desperate attempt to continue misusing this doctrine to ignite urgency in Watchtower followers. more ...
Medical Advice

The Watchtower has made numerous erroneous claims about medicine, and flip-flopped on whether a person can use blood and organ transplants. This has led, and continues to result in, avoidable death of unsuspecting followers. more ...
Prophecies - Revelation and Daniel

For anyone that thinks the Governing Body are directed to interpret doctrine, the contradictory adjustments to the understanding of Revelation and Daniel prophecies should be enough to prove otherwise. more ...
Resurrection - for whom

The number of times the Governing Body have changed which groups of people are worthy of a resurrection makes mockery of any claims to what they write as being truth. more ...
Superior Authorities

Yet another flip-flop, this time regarding who the Superior Authorities are. Once again we see the Watchtower embellishing its history when discussing this topic. more ...
Worship Jesus

The most important doctrine a religion can hold to regards the God they promote for worship. It is quite shocking that until the 1950's, Witnesses were told Jesus was a god to worship and pray to, along with Jehovah. This made them polytheistic. In 1953 the worship of Jesus became a disfellowshipping offence. more ...
Zionism

Russell was a Zionist and actively promoted that the return of a Jewish state. Rutherford continued in this line for a period of time, before turning on the Jews and claiming Zionist teachings were from Satan.

He's so DESPERATE to divert- when faced with scripture.
How churchy
 
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My such arrogant slanders and insult.
How...churchy
Churchy....try again....just facts with a little lemon twist sarcasm....which is biblical by the way....put down your comic book and pick up the word of God (JESUS) and maybe you will come to the truth......
 
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He's so DESPERATE to divert- when faced with scripture.
How churchy
Divert, HAHAHAH---->more like lay the facts bare so no one weak in the faith buys into your Russellism comic book charades.....
 

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No, believe it or not; the WTBS has turned all the meetings into Read-Fests of their articles and 'talks'.
I simply share what is TRUE about my Lord and my God.

o, so

he's a jw who believes himself to be even more jw than all the other jw.

he's not just "a jw" -- he's a super-jw

how very puffy
 

posthuman

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Do you realize that if you believe in the Catholic-inspired 'immortal soul' dogma, that you don't believe your own 'gospel'?

you only say this because you don't comprehend the gospel. if the soul is not immortal, there is no salvation.

do you realize that if you don't believe that the soul is immortal, that you are calling Christ a liar ((Matthew 10:28 / Luke 12:5, Matthew 22:32 / Mark 12:27 / Luke 20:38, John 11:13-14, 1 Corinthians 15:13, Ephesians 2:1, Romans 6:1-6, etc.))

-- and do you realize that if you don't believe the soul is immortal, that you are telling us that you do not exist at all?

but you're still puffy about it.
ironic -
- irony seems to be God's own sense of humor. Psalm 2:4.

you're preaching that there is no such thing as redemption: you traded it for utter non-existence and temporal replacement of the illusion of existence with another non-entity with fewer faults, but equally without life, and you think that makes you clever and "free" ? it makes you a non-entity, and it makes God capricious and evil.
 
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Afraid to face your own church beliefs?
Tell me what your 'gospel' is...
 

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You are all over the place.

First you do not seem to understand what Church is.

Church is holy body of Christ.

"And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all."

We as believers make that body in Christ stop insulting the body.

Now if some group of believers teach false doctrine i am more than ready to say this is wrong or this is right but do not go around insulting the body it is holy.

So what group of believers is teaching what false doctrine in your opinion ?
A body that acts different from the head is not holy....as is the Head !
 

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you only say this because you don't comprehend the gospel. if the soul is not immortal, there is no salvation.

do you realize that if you don't believe that the soul is immortal, that you are calling Christ a liar ((Matthew 10:28 / Luke 12:5, Matthew 22:32 / Mark 12:27 / Luke 20:38, John 11:13-14, 1 Corinthians 15:13, Ephesians 2:1, Romans 6:1-6, etc.))

-- and do you realize that if you don't believe the soul is immortal, that you are telling us that you do not exist at all?

but you're still puffy about it.
ironic -
- irony seems to be God's own sense of humor. Psalm 2:4.

you're preaching that there is no such thing as redemption: you traded it for utter non-existence and temporal replacement of the illusion of existence with another non-entity with fewer faults, but equally without life, and you think that makes you clever and "free" ? it makes you a non-entity, and it makes God capricious and evil.
The soul IS the man...and man is MORTAL...that is biblical.
 
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Afraid to face your own church beliefs?
Tell me what your 'gospel' is...
Afraid to face the many that died because of your church beliefs and refused blood transfusions.

What is the hope in that.... reincarnation? What is the JW gospel ?

Since we are not what we will be. What will the new promised bodies as the bride of Christ be like .Will they be male or female, Jew or gentile?
 

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The JW's don't have any good news, because even in paradise there is the possibility that one may sin and be annihilated. They are without any real hope of salvation in their religion.
 

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you only say this because you don't comprehend the gospel. if the soul is not immortal, there is no salvation.

do you realize that if you don't believe that the soul is immortal, that you are calling Christ a liar ((Matthew 10:28 / Luke 12:5, Matthew 22:32 / Mark 12:27 / Luke 20:38, John 11:13-14, 1 Corinthians 15:13, Ephesians 2:1, Romans 6:1-6, etc.))

-- and do you realize that if you don't believe the soul is immortal, that you are telling us that you do not exist at all?

but you're still puffy about it.
ironic -
- irony seems to be God's own sense of humor. Psalm 2:4.

you're preaching that there is no such thing as redemption: you traded it for utter non-existence and temporal replacement of the illusion of existence with another non-entity with fewer faults, but equally without life, and you think that makes you clever and "free" ? it makes you a non-entity, and it makes God capricious and evil.
If the soul is immortal why does it need salvation ?
 
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The soul IS the man...and man is MORTAL...that is biblical.
The soul is the line of communication between man seen and God not seen . The soul that sins dies.The spirit and flesh followed afterward.

When God said you will surely die it was in respect to the soul. When the father of lies said you surely will not die it was in respect to the soul, and not the spirit or the flesh .He corrupted that in a process of aging, decaying leaning toward death and destruction of the flesh
 
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Nephesh- the Hebrew word translated usually, but not always, translated as "soul", literally meaning "breathing creature"....
God breathe into man, that is different than creating. God created the human vessel then God breathe a soul upon the vessel.
 
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Not going to tell me what you think the 'Gospel' is?

Why am I not surprised?
 

phil36

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Not going to tell me what you think the 'Gospel' is?

Why am I not surprised?
What do you think the gospel is thequestion? Have you got eternal security even in paradise?
 
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God breathe into man, that is different than creating. God created the human vessel then God breathe a soul upon the vessel.
Compare with~

Gen 2:7- And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
 
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Compare with~

Gen 2:7- And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
indeed, God formed the human vessel then the vessel became not created but became from the breath of God, life, you making head way I see, keep reading.