Healing through the Son

[Nehemiah6]

Our expieriences are not the measure what is true and what not. It Gods word alone.

Well said. Experiences can be -- and are -- sometimes misleading. There are lying spirits at work in this world and only God's Word gives us the truth.

 

[Depleted]

I found out today that I have not been healed of my pigment dispersion syndrome (eye disease) and will still be constantly monitored by my opthalmologist.

Whilst my eyes are ok I still have a disease that can lead to blindness as a result of agreesive glaucoma.

Had been praying for and prayed over for healing.

Still I thank God

I strongly suspect what I'm about to suggest won't help you, now that I've learned there are various forms of glaucoma, but I'm going to say it just in case yours has the same cause as mine. I was healed of glaucoma right after I found out I have it. But mine is an inherited trait type. Apparently the lenses on my eyes are wide-angled. Had my eye doctor not tested me for this, I would have had a huge headache one day and end up blind a day or two later. The answer was strange, (and, yo! My fingernails-along-a-chalkboard-heebeegeebees for me. Ew, ew, gross!) An eye surgeon poked holes with a laser in my pupils to let out fluids slowly. Apparently the fluids themselves, and the way my eye was shaped, stopped the fluids from draining in the back of the eye. Now those drainage holes are in the front of my pupil. I can't see them. Only thing that freaked me out was having to keep my eye open when he was doing this, but my grandmother became blind from her glaucoma. I will not.

I'm hoping maybe your kind is like my kind.

 

[Depleted]

• 
  I am fed up with blowhards on this site that think they know everything. They appear to think they know more about God then most people, appear to believe that their interpretation (although NOT in keeping with over 2000 years of what Christians lived and believed) is always right and now we are being fed totally inaccurate and misleading information regarding a medical condition that is NOT the response of the body to poor eating habits.
  
  I'm not participating in this thread because it is now best to leave certain people to believe whatever they want and I actually wish folks would stop trying to correct the lemmings as they leap from the cliff. God will either mercifully catch them or leave them to the rocks below depending on the condition of their heart. That is a fact and it is obvious no amount of replies to this one way disaster topic are going to change anything but rather keep the very thing you wish to go the way of the dodo, actually going and going stronger.
  
  Nonetheless, that is not the reason I don't bother anymore. However, I am going to comment on Ben's post with regards to heart health.
  
  His comments may reflect what his own doctor has told him with regards to his personal eating habits but please, if anyone suspects they may be having some indications of heart problems, RUSH to your doctor and get an appointment with a specialist.
  
  Someone we know, had QUADRUPLE bypass surgery some years back and the wife was very concerned about diet and , exercise. Apparently, the doctor, the one who actually performed the successful bypass, looked her square in the eye and told her that her husband had HEART DISEASE ...that is the exact phrase this doctor, a specialist, used...and went on to say that no amount of exercise was going to help her husband no amount of eating 'better' was going to help her husband because he had HEART DISEASE . It was in his DNA and no matter how he looked after himself, he was still going to have HEART DISEASE.
  
  The doctor went on to say that some people can smoke and drink and eat all sorts of things not recommended for those who want a 'healthy' diet, and still live longer and NEVER EVER have HEART DISEASE.
  
  Shall I suggest that Bens posturing and trying to seem so self assured is an effort to ensure his apparent sincerity and great general knowledge of all things? Would he suggest he prayed and that is what God told him?
  
  read actual medical facts HERE
  
  yes...diet and exercise can exacerbate heart disease and you can take steps to try and stop or reverse it
  
  BUT not what is cause by DNA
  
  use the brains God gave you people and understand that some folks just have to sound like they know everything and it's all about them. make right choices. you ALL know very well God does not heal everyone and my best advice would be to those who actually know that, would be to ask why you keep this circus going. Ignore it and move on...you are advertising what you want to go away
  
  I will not be answering the purpose of the thread but I was alarmed to see what was written by a non-medical individual who would like to sound like he has all the answers
  
  only God has all the answers and you will not find them by following deceptive teachers, false prophets and lemmings

LOL Sounds like something a doctor told me about high triglycerides. I told him I have a low fat diet because no gallbladder, (no-choice on low fat.) I was the right weight, so exactly what can I do about high triglycerides to lower them.

He said, "Change your genes." lol

 

[Depleted]

My self image ain't that good.

That's okay. God has just the proper image of us, and loves us anyway.

 

[Depleted]

I didn't ever think that you were Bill.

Im fortunate enough to actually see this though it's online mostly.

Though Joanies post is truth, the truth has to be worked out in our life.

I started in desperation. I knew I had not yet fulfilled my destiny, so I fought...with faith in His Word and praying in the Spirit.

Does God begin this supernatural walk with Him first in our mouth and words?

The problems:
-- Joanie doesn't preach. She puts on stuff from heretics and thinks that answers everything.

-- And yet, the heretics always teach "what's in it for me? What can I get out of God? What does he owe me because I believe/have faith?"

-- Meanwhile Jesus teaches, everything I do the Father gives me. See the Father. He is wonderful.

You're being blasted with self-help christianese style, when it doesn't help, help self, nor is Christian.

 

[Depleted]

How can anyone read the Bible for 30 years and not heard of healing?

If I never heard about healing I would not have known it was available. Our church never taught about healing and so I was surrounded by Christians who didn't believe or encourage me to believe for fear we would be disappointed for having put our faith in Jesus healing promises and not see Him do it. Now I read the Bible without letting my own theology from 1982-2012 get in the way.

Today I don't even go to the "what if" places I often visited every day of my Christian life up till about 5 years ago. Now I know to have a good expectation that Jesus paid for my healing in all areas. By His stripes we are healed. And I've seen Him work miracles in not only my life but in the lives of many others who believed because He is a good God and true to His promises in Christ. It's because of Jesus we have these great and precious promises. Not by anything that we have done but by everything that Jesus did for us.

 

[BenFTW]

For the record, I already knew that my post on cardiovascular health isn't applicable to all, and thats why, as Joanie pointed out, I said that I didn't know that person's personal situation. However, it is sound advice for someone who has heart disease as a result of consumption.

For those that it is genetic, inherited, and so on (from birth) I'd point out the verses we were just speaking on in Acts 14. A crippled man heard the Gospel, and had faith all of a sudden to be healed. Likewise, this is why healing is in the atonement, for those cases such as these.

 

[BenFTW]

How can anyone read the Bible for 30 years and not heard of healing?

Tradition, deception, bad teaching, etc. How can people not realize the relationship they can have with God with no condemnation and being able to go before Him boldly for so long having read the Bible their entire lives? Tradition, deception, bad teaching, etc.

 

[stonesoffire]

“Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.”

This verse clearly teaches that some things are of God, and some things are of the devil. Notice it doesn’t present a third category: from God through the devil. No! Sickness has nothing to do with God! Submit to the things of God, and resist the things of the devil. It’s that simple. To believe that God allows or approves of Satan’s actions defies the logic of James 4:7. It eliminates our responsibility to resist and places ultimate responsibility for everything back on God.


The widely-accepted doctrine that God controls everything is a deception. If Satan can confuse and deceive you on that issue, he’s got you! Why? Because you’ll stop resisting. No one wants to resist God’s will, and if you think that God is behind your sickness, you’ll submit to it. That violates the instruction of James 4:7, it won’t get you healed, and it lets Satan have his way in your life.


You must believe God always wants you healed. It’s so simple, it takes help to misunderstand. But sadly, most Christians receive plenty of help from religion in misunderstanding this. Look at it this way: If God wanted you sick, for whatever reason, then why visit the doctor or take medication? It would seem more logical to allow the sickness to run its course so God’s purpose could be accomplished. Of course I think that’s foolish, and hopefully, so do you.

What’s the bottom line on God’s will for our healing? His Word reveals that to us in 3 John 2, which says,
“Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.”
John was writing a letter to believers under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. He revealed that the Lord wants us healthy just as much as He wants us to prosper emotionally and mentally.


When Peter preached the Gospel to Cornelius in Acts 10:38, he summarized the ministry of Jesus by saying,
“How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.”


Today some preachers are saying that healing is of the devil, but that’s not the message Peter gave. Notice what Peter said under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Not only was Jesus doing good when He healed people, but He healed all that were oppressed of the devil, not of God. That scripture clearly proves that sickness is not from God.


Isaiah 53 should end all debate. It was written prophetically about Jesus, the Messiah. Isaiah 53:4-5 says,
“Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.”


These verses reveal that physical healing is a part of the atonement of Christ. The Lord redeemed us from sickness just as much as He redeemed us from sin. He would no more want us to be sick than He would want us to sin. Those are radical statements to many Christians because we’ve been taught that forgiveness of sins is what salvation is all about. Well that’s certainly a vital part of salvation, but that’s not all that Jesus accomplished. We were also healed by His stripes. Sickness is not of God just as sin is not of God. Thank You, Jesus!


Just in case anyone might be thinking that the healing spoken of in Isaiah 53:4-5 is not physical but only emotional, the Bible gives a commentary on Isaiah’s prophecy. In Matthew 8:16 Jesus healed all the sick people brought to Him, and verse 17 says this was done…


“That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.”


Therefore, Scripture comments on itself and makes it very clear that the healing spoken of by Isaiah is referring to physical infirmities and sicknesses. If Jesus bore our sicknesses, then we don’t have to.

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Clearly Andrew Wommack is a preacher who believes as I do about healing in the atonement. There are many Christians who don't and many who do. Each one of us has to read these verses for ourselves and ask the Holy Spirit to show us the truth if there is healing in the atonement or not.

There is evidence on both sides of the spectrum. But I've come to see there IS healing in all areas of life. It takes learning about these truths because once we get saved we don't have all Bible knowledge. We are told over and over to study the Word of God and to submit to the Holy Spirit in our new creation (born again spirit)

If you don't agree with healing in the atonement start another thread. Agree to disagree.

Joanie

Am wondering if the word should be whole rather than healed? Perhaps others could accept this rather than just healed.

I know beyond a shadow of doubt that God wants to make me whole. That includes healing when needed. And wholeness is when we are recreated in His image. Filled with Holy Spirit! Holy Spirit within us will affect every part of us.

 

[stonesoffire]

Not wanting to wrangle over words...just that the concept of wholeness is so great.

 

[stonesoffire]

The problems:
-- Joanie doesn't preach. She puts on stuff from heretics and thinks that answers everything.

-- And yet, the heretics always teach "what's in it for me? What can I get out of God? What does he owe me because I believe/have faith?"

-- Meanwhile Jesus teaches, everything I do the Father gives me. See the Father. He is wonderful.

You're being blasted with self-help christianese style, when it doesn't help, help self, nor is Christian.

God gives the gifts of Holy Spirit for our help Lynn. He is our helper...am sure you have heard this.

 

[BenFTW]

• 
  I am fed up with blowhards on this site that think they know everything. They appear to think they know more about God then most people, appear to believe that their interpretation (although NOT in keeping with over 2000 years of what Christians lived and believed) is always right and now we are being fed totally inaccurate and misleading information regarding a medical condition that is NOT the response of the body to poor eating habits.
  
  I'm not participating in this thread because it is now best to leave certain people to believe whatever they want and I actually wish folks would stop trying to correct the lemmings as they leap from the cliff. God will either mercifully catch them or leave them to the rocks below depending on the condition of their heart. That is a fact and it is obvious no amount of replies to this one way disaster topic are going to change anything but rather keep the very thing you wish to go the way of the dodo, actually going and going stronger.
  
  Nonetheless, that is not the reason I don't bother anymore. However, I am going to comment on Ben's post with regards to heart health.
  
  His comments may reflect what his own doctor has told him with regards to his personal eating habits but please, if anyone suspects they may be having some indications of heart problems, RUSH to your doctor and get an appointment with a specialist.
  
  Someone we know, had QUADRUPLE bypass surgery some years back and the wife was very concerned about diet and , exercise. Apparently, the doctor, the one who actually performed the successful bypass, looked her square in the eye and told her that her husband had HEART DISEASE ...that is the exact phrase this doctor, a specialist, used...and went on to say that no amount of exercise was going to help her husband no amount of eating 'better' was going to help her husband because he had HEART DISEASE . It was in his DNA and no matter how he looked after himself, he was still going to have HEART DISEASE.
  
  The doctor went on to say that some people can smoke and drink and eat all sorts of things not recommended for those who want a 'healthy' diet, and still live longer and NEVER EVER have HEART DISEASE.
  
  Shall I suggest that Bens posturing and trying to seem so self assured is an effort to ensure his apparent sincerity and great general knowledge of all things? Would he suggest he prayed and that is what God told him?
  
  read actual medical facts HERE
  
  yes...diet and exercise can exacerbate heart disease and you can take steps to try and stop or reverse it
  
  BUT not what is cause by DNA
  
  use the brains God gave you people and understand that some folks just have to sound like they know everything and it's all about them. make right choices. you ALL know very well God does not heal everyone and my best advice would be to those who actually know that, would be to ask why you keep this circus going. Ignore it and move on...you are advertising what you want to go away
  
  I will not be answering the purpose of the thread but I was alarmed to see what was written by a non-medical individual who would like to sound like he has all the answers
  
  only God has all the answers and you will not find them by following deceptive teachers, false prophets and lemmings

Here is some passive aggressiveness for you and Depleted. Its called reading. As for having a predisposition for something, I like what I heard one doctor say. "Your genetics load the gun, but your lifestyle pulls the trigger." This is factual.

 

[Cee]

I agree wholeness is a great word, because the word Sozo is a triune reality; Spirit, soul, and body.

 

[stonesoffire]

I agree wholeness is a great word, because the word Sozo is a triune reality; Spirit, soul, and body.

I did not know that about sozo...thank you for adding this Cee!

 

[Cee]

No problem, you can see it’s word usage with an Interlinear or Concordance. It’s translated saved, delivered and healed. I could also bring the word shalom (which is peace). Shalom is wholeness, nothing missing, nothing broken. I could also link the word Zoe, this our word for eternal or eonian life. This life is overflowing. The concept of overflowing is that we are fully full and we overflow like rivers of living water.

The enemy comes to kill, but God gives us life. And life abundantly (overflowing). As you consider these 3 words think from the paradigm of “wholeness”.

 

[BenFTW]

• 
  I am fed up with blowhards on this site that think they know everything. They appear to think they know more about God then most people, appear to believe that their interpretation (although NOT in keeping with over 2000 years of what Christians lived and believed) is always right and now we are being fed totally inaccurate and misleading information regarding a medical condition that is NOT the response of the body to poor eating habits.
  
  I'm not participating in this thread because it is now best to leave certain people to believe whatever they want and I actually wish folks would stop trying to correct the lemmings as they leap from the cliff. God will either mercifully catch them or leave them to the rocks below depending on the condition of their heart. That is a fact and it is obvious no amount of replies to this one way disaster topic are going to change anything but rather keep the very thing you wish to go the way of the dodo, actually going and going stronger.
  
  Nonetheless, that is not the reason I don't bother anymore. However, I am going to comment on Ben's post with regards to heart health.
  
  His comments may reflect what his own doctor has told him with regards to his personal eating habits but please, if anyone suspects they may be having some indications of heart problems, RUSH to your doctor and get an appointment with a specialist.
  
  Someone we know, had QUADRUPLE bypass surgery some years back and the wife was very concerned about diet and , exercise. Apparently, the doctor, the one who actually performed the successful bypass, looked her square in the eye and told her that her husband had HEART DISEASE ...that is the exact phrase this doctor, a specialist, used...and went on to say that no amount of exercise was going to help her husband no amount of eating 'better' was going to help her husband because he had HEART DISEASE . It was in his DNA and no matter how he looked after himself, he was still going to have HEART DISEASE.
  
  The doctor went on to say that some people can smoke and drink and eat all sorts of things not recommended for those who want a 'healthy' diet, and still live longer and NEVER EVER have HEART DISEASE.
  
  Shall I suggest that Bens posturing and trying to seem so self assured is an effort to ensure his apparent sincerity and great general knowledge of all things? Would he suggest he prayed and that is what God told him?
  
  read actual medical facts HERE
  
  yes...diet and exercise can exacerbate heart disease and you can take steps to try and stop or reverse it
  
  BUT not what is cause by DNA
  
  use the brains God gave you people and understand that some folks just have to sound like they know everything and it's all about them. make right choices. you ALL know very well God does not heal everyone and my best advice would be to those who actually know that, would be to ask why you keep this circus going. Ignore it and move on...you are advertising what you want to go away
  
  I will not be answering the purpose of the thread but I was alarmed to see what was written by a non-medical individual who would like to sound like he has all the answers
  
  only God has all the answers and you will not find them by following deceptive teachers, false prophets and lemmings

That doctor, as with so many, is misinformed (they hardly receive an education on nutrition).

 

[joaniemarie]

I believe it has to do with wholeness. I believe it is God's will for us to be whole. Each day we are learning about what that means in our lives individually. How I (receive) this wholeness is dependent upon what I believe Jesus has promised. What have I heard from the Word of God? That is where it starts for me. A daily path to keep on seeking and believing and finding. There is a peace that comes from being whole I've discovered in each area I've already walked in and discovered it's a lifestyle to walk out on a daily basis.

Whether it be for the wholeness of a sound mind or a sound body., without any confusion or trouble but in their place the truth. The sound and solid truth Jesus brought. Because it's a fact that we have not been given a spirit of fear but of power and love and a sound mind. Receiving this daily.

Today I'm not walking out wholeness in all areas of my life but am willing to find out what all the promises are and then learn how to walk them all out personally by the faith He gives. Those promises are there and bought and paid for by Jesus just for me. It's about learning how to acquire these many promises by faith.

And faith comes by hearing and hearing and hearing and hearing for the rest of our lives and that's why we study the Bible on what is promised and how to receive it. Faith is becoming a way of life. And faith is not normal for the flesh but a new lifestyle by walking in the new creation in Christ. Learning how to receive these peace-full things is my daily goal.

How that shakes out individually for each person IMO depends on what they believe the promises in Jesus are., what we have read the promises are that He paid for us to have and the willingness to keep on keeping on in the faith. To try and judge another brother or sister about their faith and where they are on this faith process is foolishness. No one can know where someone's heart is but Jesus.

The capacity of learning also comes from God. (not as the world gives) Learning how to receive what the Bible already says we have. Again., hearing it and also speaking it and believing it every day. So much to learn (hear) from the Word of God and yet we have these great and precious promises to learn about and walk out by faith.

I agree SOF about what you said about wholeness and posted this the other day. And what Cee said about sozo. Amen

 

[joaniemarie]

Ben was not replying to something I posted.

I was responding to something Ben posted in response to someone else.

I do agree though that a lot does get lost or misread on these threads and of the threads.

Which is why we have to be very careful with our responses.

However I do disagree with your thoughts that we do not deserve anything from God (and I will probably be slapped by some for that)

If we do not deserve anything then Jesus would not have died for us.
The plan of redemption set in place the minute Adam & Eve sinned.

Walking around thinking I'm not worthy only leads to one thing.
Making ourselves worthy of acceptance.

Truth is we are significant, accepted and secure.

If not then God could have wiped us out, just like he did with the flood.

Much gets lost in translation for sure Bill., I believe too that we are loved so much that God sent His Son to save us. But without Jesus gift of righteousness we could not be worthy. Unless we have Jesus we are un righteous and un worthy. With Jesus we are both Righteous and worthy. The KEY factor and person is Jesus.


"Because of sin and separation we live in a world of death and scarcity. In our natural state we are consumed with our needs and lack. We spend our lives trying to get what we don’t have and trying to repair the damage of our estrangement. But the only cure for our brokenness is a revelation of a whole and holy God who lacks nothing and who has promised to supply all our needs out of His overflowing sufficiency."


I didn't write this but I do believe it. The cure for ALL brokenness is found in Christ who lacks nothing and who has promised to supply all our needs out of His overflowing sufficiency. And each day we come to know Him better as the Holy Spirit reveals Him to us through His Word and His witness.

 

[LPT]

actually I have aortic stinosis when I was born and this time it was due to a valve that was to small that they put in last time. And the time before that it was due to an infection in my mouth. None of the times was it due to diet

Bless you brother, i feel for you my friend, I too was born with aortic stenosis though mine isn't as severe as yours. I'm 50 and haven't had to much issues yet, two of my valves are attached at the bottom and they don't open up properly. the opening around the valves compensated and is a little bigger than average so the blood flow is adequate enough for now though all my life it has fluttered from time to time other than that I haven't had to many problems. My heart goes to you and I hope things go well I'll be praying for you my friend.

God bless,

 

[BenFTW]

Here is a fascinating video for people interested in heart disease reversal.

[video=youtube;LXigmGZk5FU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXigmGZk5FU[/video]

PS: Sorry Joanie if I am going off on a tangent, its really valuable information.