Hebrews 6:4-6 - not at it seems...
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Amen..that is so true...and they could have a life-time of walking after the flesh in doing this, so in some people's religion - these would go to hell.
But these mostly hidden sins of hypocrisy, pride, greed and legalism are not really a sin to them. It's not like someone that has an addiction to pills or alcohol. They would look down on someone struggling with a sin that they don't have a problem with and condemn them. Their very words of hypocrisy condemn themselves.
But these mostly hidden sins of hypocrisy, pride, greed and legalism are not really a sin to them. It's not like someone that has an addiction to pills or alcohol. They would look down on someone struggling with a sin that they don't have a problem with and condemn them. Their very words of hypocrisy condemn themselves.
Thanks for the reply .
Yes Jewish mind set , as the same mind set of natural man, without the Spirit of Christ. I don’t think scripture is designed for one nation but is for the heart of any man. There is nothing in the scriptures that would make us think God is a respecter of person.. If he is speaking to one nation he is speaking to all. The reformation has come.
Yes they would seem the ones he first spoke of seeing he is speaking to two different kinds of persons who both experienced the same work of God. But being once enlightened and not a continually daily enlightenment by the light of Gods’ word. And have “tasted of” the heavenly gift, "not eaten of" , and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost.
Like the five thousand that ate the bread giving them a taste of things to come. (eating bread did not give them salvation it only showed God can do miracles foods we eat cannot enter our souls .they come out a draught every time) .
It is they who fall away showing they did not have the Spirit of Christ in them to begin with . They prove it by crucifying Christ the anointing Holy Spirit of God over and over according to the dead works they offer towards God. .In the end like the man in the parable in Mathew 7 .Christ said I never knew you depart form me you worker of inquity.
You could compare that to the parable or pattern in Hebrew 6, to the parable of the seed and the foundation it can grow in . (the word of God as the good ground which also represents the seed .)
Some were taking those ceremonial law and offering them towards God as dead works. This is still happening today in many of the sects. The latter ones in that chapter beginning in verse 9 knew of the better things accompanied salvation as in OSAS.
I agree that they were trying to establish a righteousness of their own by something they could eat or do and offer it as a dead work.as there own human faith toward God .Not his towards us that does work in us to both will and do His good pleasure. .
I don’t think the comparison is between a believer and a believer in Hebrew 6 . I do believe there are differences we can have between the younger in the faith then one that has more time.
Right after he explains about offering fleshly ordinance as a work in hope of pleases God he says in verse 3 ... And this will we do, if God permit. He then spends the rest of the time defining their unbelief (no faith) of the other who are offering dead works .Not those who know the better things that accompany salvation, OSAS.( Eternal redemption) . and not a kick start places them where Adam and Eve were before they disobeyed on trespass. Not such thing as temporal redemption and a new need to crucify the Lord of Glory over and over, One work of His faith ,according to that labor of love is all that was needed for Christ to satisfy the just demands of the perfect law.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Yes Jewish mind set , as the same mind set of natural man, without the Spirit of Christ. I don’t think scripture is designed for one nation but is for the heart of any man. There is nothing in the scriptures that would make us think God is a respecter of person.. If he is speaking to one nation he is speaking to all. The reformation has come.
Yes they would seem the ones he first spoke of seeing he is speaking to two different kinds of persons who both experienced the same work of God. But being once enlightened and not a continually daily enlightenment by the light of Gods’ word. And have “tasted of” the heavenly gift, "not eaten of" , and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost.
Like the five thousand that ate the bread giving them a taste of things to come. (eating bread did not give them salvation it only showed God can do miracles foods we eat cannot enter our souls .they come out a draught every time) .
It is they who fall away showing they did not have the Spirit of Christ in them to begin with . They prove it by crucifying Christ the anointing Holy Spirit of God over and over according to the dead works they offer towards God. .In the end like the man in the parable in Mathew 7 .Christ said I never knew you depart form me you worker of inquity.
You could compare that to the parable or pattern in Hebrew 6, to the parable of the seed and the foundation it can grow in . (the word of God as the good ground which also represents the seed .)
Some were taking those ceremonial law and offering them towards God as dead works. This is still happening today in many of the sects. The latter ones in that chapter beginning in verse 9 knew of the better things accompanied salvation as in OSAS.
I agree that they were trying to establish a righteousness of their own by something they could eat or do and offer it as a dead work.as there own human faith toward God .Not his towards us that does work in us to both will and do His good pleasure. .
I don’t think the comparison is between a believer and a believer in Hebrew 6 . I do believe there are differences we can have between the younger in the faith then one that has more time.
Right after he explains about offering fleshly ordinance as a work in hope of pleases God he says in verse 3 ... And this will we do, if God permit. He then spends the rest of the time defining their unbelief (no faith) of the other who are offering dead works .Not those who know the better things that accompany salvation, OSAS.( Eternal redemption) . and not a kick start places them where Adam and Eve were before they disobeyed on trespass. Not such thing as temporal redemption and a new need to crucify the Lord of Glory over and over, One work of His faith ,according to that labor of love is all that was needed for Christ to satisfy the just demands of the perfect law.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
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Ephesians 4:26 says be angry and sin not. There's nothing wrong with anger. God gets angry. He doesn't live by the flesh does He or in sin?
on this whole thing about whether or not we can loose our salvation. Why are we here on earth? I mean if it was simply to be saved then as soon as we became saved God would take us to heaven to be with Him right? The answer is found in mark 16:15: go into all the world and preach the good news. I'm sorry but I don't think we should be questioning whether or not our salvation can be lost. Instead we should be telling others the good news that Jesus came to give life an give it more abundantly and that everything else will steal, kill, or destroy you.
i believe that yes we do mess up but 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins He is faithful and just and forgive us I our sins. But if we don't confess I don't think he will forgive us because we're not admitting we did wrong and that we need forgiveness. And if we don't have his forgiveness than you're not right with Him, you're not righteous. I'm not saying we need to ask forgiveness for every single one of our sins. No, God knows our hearts. Romans 7:19 says we do the bad we don't want to do and don't do the good we want to do. God doesn't look at our actions as much as he looks at our heart.
on this whole thing about whether or not we can loose our salvation. Why are we here on earth? I mean if it was simply to be saved then as soon as we became saved God would take us to heaven to be with Him right? The answer is found in mark 16:15: go into all the world and preach the good news. I'm sorry but I don't think we should be questioning whether or not our salvation can be lost. Instead we should be telling others the good news that Jesus came to give life an give it more abundantly and that everything else will steal, kill, or destroy you.
i believe that yes we do mess up but 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins He is faithful and just and forgive us I our sins. But if we don't confess I don't think he will forgive us because we're not admitting we did wrong and that we need forgiveness. And if we don't have his forgiveness than you're not right with Him, you're not righteous. I'm not saying we need to ask forgiveness for every single one of our sins. No, God knows our hearts. Romans 7:19 says we do the bad we don't want to do and don't do the good we want to do. God doesn't look at our actions as much as he looks at our heart.
What saith the scriptures....."For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:"=if you live in ongoing sin you shall die. Pretty straight forward stuff. 
The person who sows to their flesh will reap of the flesh corruption and this will come upon them but if we live by the spirit within us - it brings life - God's kind of life to us in this earth.
Let's think this out for a minute.
If a person is walking according to the flesh - let's say.."slandering people" or gluttony. Take a believer who is a glutton - they are walking in the flesh in doing that. This person goes to church, reads the bible and prays all the time but they are still caught in this gluttony thing.
This person's body will eventually reap corruption and die from a diet related disease. They could have walked by the spirit within them and had self-control which is a fruit of the spirit and thus experience God's kind of life on this earth - ( our bodies will still get old until we get the new ones...yes!)
In your religion what would happen to the above Christian that loves the Lord?
Would this person above who walked in the flesh all their lives when they die - go to hell because of this?...or are they not secure in Christ because they are sealed by the Holy Spirit in the inner man of the heart - created in righteousness and holiness.
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I see you have formed your very own translation and understanding different from what Jesus told the disciples about that parable
the birds ate the seed because it was stony ground...but did you know that plants will even come up between cracks in cement and asphalt? yes it's true!
so, if someone comes along constantly bashing others and telling them they are in rebellion because they disagree with that PERSON, then they are like the birds stealing the word
hope that helps
L
I'm like a cold slap in the face of rebellion aren't I? ....hopefully some will awake to righteousness.
I have a problem with that as do many others here
he is not all truth and is certainly not slapping down a rebellion
he does however, enjoy slapping people. I'll give him that
No, of course not..that scripture in Romans 8:13 is talking about living here on this earth and experiencing the kingdom of God now as the kingdom of God is within us. Let's walk by the Spirit so that we don't fulfill the flesh and do "it's' lusts and have Christ's abundant life here now.
Well..there is 2 types of anger. But aside from that I believe you missed the purpose of the post.
James 1:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] for the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God.
But the whole point I was trying to get across to which that post was directed is that some say if you do something in the flesh - you do not go to heaven if you die.
So, let's take "anger" out and let's put in malice, or strife. If someone has malice or strife towards someone and then they die - do they go to hell because they were followng after the flesh?
The poster I was responding to says if we live by the flesh we will die...and that to him means going to hell and separated from God. We have a history with this particular person so we know what he is really getting at.
It helps me see that you have it entirely backwards. The seed sown in the paths signifies people with NO FAITH. But you want to find fault with the wee little birds. Next you will blame the sun for scorching the plants in shallow soil, and then the weeds for choking out the plant. The parable is about the condition of people's hearts, whether they are suited to follow the lord or not.
hope that helps
hope that helps
L
oh that's so much better
so you were just pretending you did not understand to try and make me look...uh...what's that word you like to use? oh yeah, stupid...well not me personally, just my comprehension
sadly though, you are adding, misquoting and generally twisting what I said
I am always glad that God is the One who keeps the record
perhaps one day, when you have managed to contain your contempt for those who disagree with you, we can have an honest discusssion; one where you don't slander others and deliberately twist what they say and then snicker at them
that is what I would make an attempt to correct if I had as many people telling me that their words are twisted as do you
I agree that there are different "takes" on Heb 6. I find the beauty of the same scripture is that it brings life to those that seek it or condemns the ones that are seeking their own righteousness.
I always say that Jesus was the greatest Law preacher and also the greatest Grace Preacher. To those that are seeking to establish their own righteousness - His words were a sharp rebuke. To those that know they can do nothing of themselves and that they need a Savior. The same words brought life.
Jesus’ story of the Pharisee and the tax collector (Luke 18:9–14). Both men went to the temple to pray. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself. His prayer was a résumé. He thanked God that he was not like other men and bragged about his fasting and tithing. But the tax collector stood at a distance and prayed just seven words: “God, have mercy on me, a sinner.” Jesus ends the story with a bombshell: “The tax collector went home justified before God.”
I always say that Jesus was the greatest Law preacher and also the greatest Grace Preacher. To those that are seeking to establish their own righteousness - His words were a sharp rebuke. To those that know they can do nothing of themselves and that they need a Savior. The same words brought life.
Jesus’ story of the Pharisee and the tax collector (Luke 18:9–14). Both men went to the temple to pray. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself. His prayer was a résumé. He thanked God that he was not like other men and bragged about his fasting and tithing. But the tax collector stood at a distance and prayed just seven words: “God, have mercy on me, a sinner.” Jesus ends the story with a bombshell: “The tax collector went home justified before God.”