History of the Sabbath - Have you been tricked?

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Joidevivre

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perhaps honor God's choice?
I repeat - what could I do differently? I do not work. Every day is a rest in Christ. And I meet and fellowship with others a lot more than just one day a week.

So, please how else could I honor it? When in a way, I'm honoring it everyday. Because I see what the motives of God's heart was when he established the Sabbath - to rest from work and worship him. Well, I don't work anymore, and I just choose to honor him more than one day.

Every day is a Sabbath to me. And I never fail to honor its meaning. And to see Christ in it.
 
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I repeat - what could I do differently? I do not work. Every day is a rest in Christ. And I meet and fellowship with others a lot more than just one day a week.

So, please how else could I honor it? When in a way, I'm honoring it everyday. Because I see what the motives of God's heart was when he established the Sabbath - to rest from work and worship him. Well, I don't work anymore, and I just choose to honor him more than one day.

Every day is a Sabbath to me. And I never fail to honor its meaning. And to see Christ in it.
Every day is not a Sabbath.
God made the 7th day the Sabbath.
Lots of people claim they pray and praise 24/7.
That is wonderful.
I am pretty sure He knew what He was doing when He chose the 7th day and hallowed it.
I did not realize you knew His heart enough to over-ride that.
 

Magenta

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okay, no more bulls & goats for sins.
I think God says He always preferred obedience over sacrifice anyway.
the bulls & goats were only like a sin Band-Aid.
Go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' Matt 9:13a

For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment
of God rather than burnt offerings.
Hosea 6:6
 
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For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.
But this command I gave them: ‘Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be my people. And walk in all the way that I command you, that it may be well with you.’
Jeremiah 7:22-23 (ESV2011, MBM)
 

Joidevivre

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Bless you Mike - You will know someday.
 

valiant

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Every day is not a Sabbath.
God made the 7th day the Sabbath.
but only to the children of Israel in the covenant.

Lots of people claim they pray and praise 24/7.
That is wonderful.
I am pretty sure He knew what He was doing when He chose the 7th day and hallowed it.
I did not realize you knew His heart enough to over-ride that.
I am not bound by the covenant with Israel. Nor did He want me to be.
 
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pottersclay

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Hey Mike, since you keep up with the old way events, was the year Christ was crucified the year of jubilation?
 

Dan_473

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to begin, we need to understand that we are reading a TRANSLATION or a VERSION of the original Hebrew Scriptures.
I'm not sure what you mean, here... are you saying the NT we have today is a TRANSLATION or a VERSION of the original Hebrew?


Some of the NT may have been written in Greek, but the writers are still Hebrews.
some? Paul was extremely zealous for his ancestral traditions. Yet, even the most liberal scholars agree that he wrote Romans, Galatians, and 1&2 Corintians... and that the copies we have today are, for all practical purposes, reliable copies of what Paul wrote.
 
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I'm not sure what you mean, here... are you saying the NT we have today is a TRANSLATION or a VERSION of the original Hebrew?




some? Paul was extremely zealous for his ancestral traditions. Yet, even the most liberal scholars agree that he wrote Romans, Galatians, and 1&2 Corintians... and that the copies we have today are, for all practical purposes, reliable copies of what Paul wrote.
You are not following what I am saying.
They were not originally written in English, let alone with a 21st century worldview.
I agree some of the translation are good, but it is not the original language or culture.

The writers were Hebrew.
Paul was Hebrew.
Biblical Hebrew Culture is a lot different than 21st century western culture.
 

prove-all

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but only to the children of Israel in the covenant.



I am not bound by the covenant with Israel. Nor did He want me to be.

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:


It is A gift to mankind​
 

Dan_473

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You are not following what I am saying.
They were not originally written in English, let alone with a 21st century worldview.
I agree some of the translation are good, but it is not the original language or culture.

The writers were Hebrew.
Paul was Hebrew.
Biblical Hebrew Culture is a lot different than 21st century western culture.
do we agree that the NT was originally written in greek, and that we have reliable copies of the originals today?
 
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do we agree that the NT was originally written in greek, and that we have reliable copies of the originals today?
Not sure why you need my agreement on that.
I abstain.
I can point out translation errors in the KJV for sure,
but not in the public forum, not yet anyway.
 

Dan_473

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Not sure why you need my agreement on that.
I abstain.
I can point out translation errors in the KJV for sure,
but not in the public forum, not yet anyway.
I'm looking for agreement because if the NT is a set of greek documents, it alters ideas about "hebrew culture is bible culture".


why do you abstain? if you don't know, we can research it together.
 
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I'm looking for agreement because if the NT is a set of greek documents, it alters ideas about "hebrew culture is bible culture".


why do you abstain? if you don't know, we can research it together.
brother, I keep 2 or 3 research project going all the time.
and
Hebrew culture IS Bible culture.
why would you say otherwise?
 

gotime

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Real Christians are free to do whatever they desire on whatever day. If some want to do some sort of a Old Covenant ritual or observance at any time - they are free to do so....and others are free not to.

The Old Covenant is a shadow of the real thing which is Christ Himself. Use the things in the Old Covenant to see Jesus fulfilling them.

Where the perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ comes in is when people say "If you don't observe the things in the Old Covenant - then you are not obeying God". This is anti-Christ and yes this applies to the Jewish Sabbath and feast days in the Old Covenant as well.

So, to those that like to do a ritual or observance on Friday nights and Saturdays - have fun! ...and the Lord bless you and keep you. May the Lord shine His face on you. May the Father give unto you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.
This sounds nice and makes sense but is it accurate?

Lets examine it.

you said "The Old Covenant is a shadow of the real thing which is Christ Himself. Use the things in the Old Covenant to see Jesus fulfilling them."

Given the topic it is clear that you are suggesting that the 7th day Sabbath is simply Old Covenant. But if we examine the origin of the Sabbath it is clearly before the Mosaic covenant, which goes without saying poses problems to your assertion.

The commandment as seen in the Old Covenant reads as such:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


IT is important to take note that the commandment is a call to keep it in remembrance. But the reason is not stated to be because of the manna in exodus 16 or their freedom from Egypt. The Reason as seen in verse 11 states that its origin and meaning is found in the 7th day of creation at the beginning.

Now keeping in mind that Genesis which records this event was written by Moses as part of the law and not a separate entity. So it reads:

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

So it is clear that this 7th day Sabbath was made before sin even entered into the world. well before the covenant given to Israel through Moses. In fact Jesus claimed to be Lord of this Sabbath.



Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Jesus is in fact the creator and thus the maker of the Sabbath as the commandment proves without doubt that the Sabbath is tied directly to creation.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and

So Jesus rightly claims to be Lord of the Sabbath which pointed back not forward to Jesus as creator. This is still true today and will always be true. There will never be a time that Jesus is not the creator.

And this begs the question, Did Jesus die to do away with His own works or the works of the Devil. And if the Sabbath as clearly seen in scripture is the work of Jesus then who's work is it to disregard it or make it of no importance?
 

TMS

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This keeps going around in circles .....
Someone explain this one.

Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Don't just ignore this, this is inspired writing from God. This is the Ten commandments and it was written after the death of Jesus.
If you you break one "thou art become a transgressor of the law" and the Sabbath is one of them.
 
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Genesis 2:2-3
[SUP]2 [/SUP]By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Monday is the first day of the week. Therefore Sunday is the day God rested from His work.

Exodus 20:8-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Six days you shall labor and do all your work, [SUP]10 [/SUP]but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God;

Six days we labor. We work from Monday to Saturday. The seventh day is Sunday and we are to rest on Sunday.

Since Monday is the first day of the week and we work six days, Sunday is then the Sabbath day we are to rest on.