History of the Sabbath - Have you been tricked?

[TMS]

Genesis 2:2-3
[SUP]2 [/SUP]By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Monday is the first day of the week. Therefore Sunday is the day God rested from His work.

Exodus 20:8-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Six days you shall labor and do all your work, [SUP]10 [/SUP]but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God;

Six days we labor. We work from Monday to Saturday. The seventh day is Sunday and we are to rest on Sunday.

Since Monday is the first day of the week and we work six days, Sunday is then the Sabbath day we are to rest on.

This was an argument at one time but it has been so disproved that people hardly ever try to argue it anymore.
saturday is the 7th day, The best way to argue this is to ask a faithful Jew that has been keeping the Sabbath since Jesus' day and they will tell you which day is the 7th. calendars change and what people call monday or sunday has changed but the 7 day cycle hasn't change since creation.

 

[Grace777x70]

This sounds nice and makes sense but is it accurate?

Lets examine it.

you said "The Old Covenant is a shadow of the real thing which is Christ Himself. Use the things in the Old Covenant to see Jesus fulfilling them."

Given the topic it is clear that you are suggesting that the 7th day Sabbath is simply Old Covenant. But if we examine the origin of the Sabbath it is clearly before the Mosaic covenant, which goes without saying poses problems to your assertion.

The commandment as seen in the Old Covenant reads as such:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


IT is important to take note that the commandment is a call to keep it in remembrance. But the reason is not stated to be because of the manna in exodus 16 or their freedom from Egypt. The Reason as seen in verse 11 states that its origin and meaning is found in the 7th day of creation at the beginning.

Now keeping in mind that Genesis which records this event was written by Moses as part of the law and not a separate entity. So it reads:

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

So it is clear that this 7th day Sabbath was made before sin even entered into the world. well before the covenant given to Israel through Moses. In fact Jesus claimed to be Lord of this Sabbath.



Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Jesus is in fact the creator and thus the maker of the Sabbath as the commandment proves without doubt that the Sabbath is tied directly to creation.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and

So Jesus rightly claims to be Lord of the Sabbath which pointed back not forward to Jesus as creator. This is still true today and will always be true. There will never be a time that Jesus is not the creator.

And this begs the question, Did Jesus die to do away with His own works or the works of the Devil. And if the Sabbath as clearly seen in scripture is the work of Jesus then who's work is it to disregard it or make it of no importance?

The whole thing about Sabbath in the Old Testament prior to the Law is that God rested after His works were finished. The "sabbath principle" has always been in place because the reality of it is Christ Himself and He has always existed.

Jesus came to fulfill His own works which included the Law.

Hebrews 4 talks about us resting from our own works just as God did from His. There remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God and it is only found in Christ Himself - not in a day which is a shadow of the real thing - which is Christ Himself.

Now the idea of resting one day a week is a good one for any reasons - none of which have to do with "keeping a law". The spiritual real sabbath is Christ Himself and that we Christians are to keep and we do that by resting in His completed work for us on the cross, burial, resurrection and ascension.


Colossians 2:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—

[SUP]17 [/SUP] things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

The substance of all things is Christ Himself NOT the observing of a "special day as set out in the Old Covenant". The principle of the sabbath seen in the Genesis account is really the shadow of the substance of Christ Himself.

As, I have said I have no problem with anyone observing any day or ritual that they desire.

Where the perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ comes in is when people say "If you don't observe the things in the Old Covenant - then you are not obeying God". This is anti-Christ and yes this applies to the Jewish Sabbath and feast days in the Old Covenant as well.

 

[Grace777x70]

Genesis 2:2-3
[SUP]2 [/SUP]By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Monday is the first day of the week. Therefore Sunday is the day God rested from His work.

Exodus 20:8-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Six days you shall labor and do all your work, [SUP]10 [/SUP]but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God;

Six days we labor. We work from Monday to Saturday. The seventh day is Sunday and we are to rest on Sunday.

Since Monday is the first day of the week and we work six days, Sunday is then the Sabbath day we are to rest on.

You are also told in the law to stone your children if they are disobedient. Have you done that? The Law also says that the wife or daughter that is on her period needs to be separated for 7 days from the rest of the "clean" people. Do you do that?

( there are probably a hundred different things like this that would reveal people are breaking the Law constantly )

If not then you too have violated the Law as James talks about and even people that supposedly keep the Sabbath day - they are guilty of the whole Law.

 

[PaulMack]

The Sabbath is based on a seven day cycle.

If you look carefully in all the Scriptures you will never find God saying Saturday is the Sabbath Day. God tells us to keep Holy the Seventh day of the week.

Therefore since we have declared Monday to be the first day of the work week, we are keeping the Sabbath when we worship on Sunday. God wants us to enjoy the Sabbath He has set aside for us. The problem is, the Sabbath keepers who insist Saturday is the Sabbath do not keep the Sabbath the way God wanted us to keep the Sabbath.

God intended the Sabbath be a day for us to rest and enjoy our self. Those who insist Saturday is the Sabbath do it for Works! They keep the Sabbath not for a day of rest, but to put people under their Laws.

If you insist we HAVE to keep the Sabbath on Saturday proves you are trying to keep the Law for your Salvation. You are trying to Work for your Salvation by insisting we have to keep the Sabbath on Saturday.

Are you keeping the Sabbath as a day where you can enjoy yourself, or are you keeping the Sabbath as a day of trying to keep the Law? If you are trying to keep the Law you will fail totally! Nobody can keep the Law!

This is what is very wrong with insisting Saturday has to be the Sabbath day.

 

[disciplemike]

The whole thing about Sabbath in the Old Testament prior to the Law is that God rested after His works were finished. The "sabbath principle" has always been in place because the reality of it is Christ Himself and He has always existed.

Jesus came to fulfill His own works which included the Law.

Hebrews 4 talks about us resting from our own works just as God did from His. There remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God and it is only found in Christ Himself - not in a day which is a shadow of the real thing - which is Christ Himself.

ok, really slow.
Christ is the Savior, not a day of the week.
The Sabbath is the day of the week that God hallowed and commanded us to keep it holy.
I hope this helps.

 

[PaulMack]

Show us where in the Scriptures disciplemike does God say outright that Saturday is the Sabbath day.

 

[disciplemike]

The Sabbath is based on a seven day cycle.

If you look carefully in all the Scriptures you will never find God saying Saturday is the Sabbath Day. God tells us to keep Holy the Seventh day of the week.

first century Israel is not pre-historic.
The Sabbath has been kept by a remnant since before the 1st century.

people have been counting to 7, and resting on the seventh day (what we call Saturday), ever since Messiah walked the earth and kept the Sabbath.
I am pretty sure He knew which day was right.

 

[disciplemike]

Show us where in the Scriptures disciplemike does God say outright that Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Again, there were Jewish historians already at work in the 1st century. It is not prehistoric.
We are keeping the same day the Messiah kept. (the day we call Saturday - actually Friday sundown until Saturday sundown)
I hope this helps.

 

[gotime]

The whole thing about Sabbath in the Old Testament prior to the Law is that God rested after His works were finished. The "sabbath principle" has always been in place because the reality of it is Christ Himself and He has always existed.

Jesus came to fulfill His own works which included the Law. This seems to me to ignore a biblical reality. Jesus works of creating the Sabbath on the 7th day was fulfilled on that day. I agree there is a principle that goes beyond that which Jesus does fulfil later. The problem here is the 7th day Sabbath is not simply a principle it is also a real day that was really set apart and really made holy by Jesus. The Commandment makes it clear that the work of the 7th day Sabbath was fulfilled at creation.

Hebrews 4 talks about us resting from our own works just as God did from His. There remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God and it is only found in Christ Himself - not in a day which is a shadow of the real thing - which is Christ Himself.

Now the idea of resting one day a week is a good one for any reasons - none of which have to do with "keeping a law". The spiritual real sabbath is Christ Himself and that we Christians are to keep and we do that by resting in His completed work for us on the cross, burial, resurrection and ascension This sounds nice but it simply has no actual basis in scripture. Yes we find rest form sin and death in Christ. But the Sabbath is not those things. The Sabbath is a day set apart by God for holy use. Yes the same principle that is in resting in Christ exists in the Sabbath of Jesus but one does not do away with the other. and there is no scripture or teaching within scripture that teaches this.


Colossians 2:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—

[SUP]17 [/SUP] things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

The substance of all things is Christ Himself NOT the observing of a "special day as set out in the Old Covenant". The principle of the sabbath seen in the Genesis account is really the shadow of the substance of Christ Himself.

As shown in scripture the Sabbath written on stone pointed back not forward thus it is abundantly clear that you have used these verses wrongly. There are two types of Sabbaths recorded in the Old Covenant. The 7th day one clearly points back and refutes this argument above. The second ones were directly connected with the sacrificial festivals which most clearly were done away with when the true sacrifice came to be eg Jesus. What you have said about colossians only works if you ignore the facts written about the 7th day Sabbath in scripture.As, I have said I have no problem with anyone observing any day or ritual that they desire.
​I also have no problem with people worshipping on whatever day they like to. But I do have a problem with people pretending that they have scriptural reasons to dislodge the 7th day Sabbath as the Sabbath. If you actually study the origins systematically you will see that it is impossible to use the above scriptures the way you have. we must remember that scripture interprets itself. The new testament finds its context in the old. Clearly as Jesus came to fulfil it.

Where the perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ comes in is when people say "If you don't observe the things in the Old Covenant - then you are not obeying God". This is anti-Christ and yes this applies to the Jewish Sabbath and feast days in the Old Covenant as well.

I am sure you are genuine in your belief but your view does not reconcile with scripture. Perversions are anything that is not truth. I can hear the first deceiver in these things: Did God really say you can't do what you want with any day?

For me its simple, who made it? Jesus

Who did he make it for? Humanity

When did he make it? creation before sin.

So if I am going to follow Jesus then I will accept the gift as it is given. I can only see the Devil at work here by suggesting that the works of Christ are done away with.

Ps try and reconcile your view with the scriptures I posted originally without adding your own ideas but simply scripture. If you can do that and show me then I will listen. But right now it seems to me like 3 card Monty where fancy words are hiding what is really going on. (I don't think you are trying to deceive by the way, I just think you are decieved)

 

[gotime]

The Sabbath is based on a seven day cycle.

If you look carefully in all the Scriptures you will never find God saying Saturday is the Sabbath Day. God tells us to keep Holy the Seventh day of the week.

Therefore since we have declared Monday to be the first day of the work week, we are keeping the Sabbath when we worship on Sunday. God wants us to enjoy the Sabbath He has set aside for us. The problem is, the Sabbath keepers who insist Saturday is the Sabbath do not keep the Sabbath the way God wanted us to keep the Sabbath.

God intended the Sabbath be a day for us to rest and enjoy our self. Those who insist Saturday is the Sabbath do it for Works! They keep the Sabbath not for a day of rest, but to put people under their Laws.

If you insist we HAVE to keep the Sabbath on Saturday proves you are trying to keep the Law for your Salvation. You are trying to Work for your Salvation by insisting we have to keep the Sabbath on Saturday.

Are you keeping the Sabbath as a day where you can enjoy yourself, or are you keeping the Sabbath as a day of trying to keep the Law? If you are trying to keep the Law you will fail totally! Nobody can keep the Law!

This is what is very wrong with insisting Saturday has to be the Sabbath day.

No one insists that the word Saturday has to be the Sabbath it just simply is the 7th day. That is fact history attests to it. and its not hard to work out.

 

[PaulMack]

Again disciplemike, where in the Scriptures does God say Saturday is the Sabbath?

Its not in the Scriptures. This is why you are evading the question. Even you know Saturday was never mentioned as the Sabbath day. Can you prove for a fact God set aside Saturday? Where is your proof?

Even you cannot prove Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Yes, people can count to seven, that is why we keep Sunday as the Sabbath day. Monday is the first day, therefore Sunday is the seventh day.

Lets see your proof that Saturday is the Sabbath! Where in the Scriptures is your proof?

 

[disciplemike]

Again disciplemike, where in the Scriptures does God say Saturday is the Sabbath?

Its not in the Scriptures. This is why you are evading the question. Even you know Saturday was never mentioned as the Sabbath day. Can you prove for a fact God set aside Saturday? Where is your proof?

Even you cannot prove Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Yes, people can count to seven, that is why we keep Sunday as the Sabbath day. Monday is the first day, therefore Sunday is the seventh day.

Lets see your proof that Saturday is the Sabbath! Where in the Scriptures is your proof?

Again, there were Jewish historians already at work in the 1st century. It is not prehistoric.
We are keeping the same day the Messiah kept. (the day we call Saturday - actually Friday sundown until Saturday sundown)
I hope this helps.

 

[PaulMack]

AGAIN where in the Scriptures does God say Saturday is the Sabbath day? I'm still waiting for Book, Chapter, and Verse where God says its Saturday!

People have been know to be wrong. Also the calendar was changed in the 15th century because it was way off. Therefore the Sabbath day has also changed.

 

[Grace777x70]

I am sure you are genuine in your belief but your view does not reconcile with scripture. Perversions are anything that is not truth. I can hear the first deceiver in these things: Did God really say you can't do what you want with any day?

For me its simple, who made it? Jesus

Who did he make it for? Humanity

When did he make it? creation before sin.

So if I am going to follow Jesus then I will accept the gift as it is given. I can only see the Devil at work here by suggesting that the works of Christ are done away with.

Ps try and reconcile your view with the scriptures I posted originally without adding your own ideas but simply scripture. If you can do that and show me then I will listen. But right now it seems to me like 3 card Monty where fancy words are hiding what is really going on. (I don't think you are trying to deceive by the way, I just think you are decieved)

Everything in the Old Testament was a shadow of the real thing which is Christ. Jesus Himself said that the Pharisees thought by following the Law they could find life but they were dead wrong and law-keepers that exchange Christ for going back to the Law are doing the exact same thing.

John 5:39-40 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;

[SUP]40 [/SUP] and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

You are looking at a physical day and substituting it for Christ Himself. We Christians are dead to the Law, not under the Law, - how many ways can one say that the Law is not of faith and it is not for the righteous.

I am gentile and have nothing whatsoever to do with the Law. Are you a Jewish descendant or a Gentile?

As, I said...Jesus is the real Sabbath talked about in the scriptures because of Col. 2:16-17

Let me ask you a question. If someone doesn't observe the Sabbath as outlined in the Old Covenant the way that you do - are they sinning?

 

[disciplemike]

Everything in the Old Testament was a shadow of the real thing which is Christ. Jesus Himself said that the Pharisees thought by following the Law they could find life but they were dead wrong and law-keepers that exchange Christ for going back to the Law are doing the exact same thing.

No, everything in the "Old Testament" is not a shadow.
You make such extravagant statements, which are usually hogwash.

 

[disciplemike]

AGAIN where in the Scriptures does God say Saturday is the Sabbath day? I'm still waiting for Book, Chapter, and Verse where God says its Saturday!

People have been know to be wrong. Also the calendar was changed in the 15th century because it was way off. Therefore the Sabbath day has also changed.

The calendar (dates&months) was changed more than once.
But the counting 1 - 7 has not changed.
The seven days of the week have not changed.

Why all the anger?
If you don't like the Sabbath, don't keep it.

 

[Grace777x70]

No, everything in the "Old Testament" is not a shadow.
You make such extravagant statements, which are usually hogwash.

Luke 24:44-45 (NASB)
[SUP]44 [/SUP] Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."

[SUP]45 [/SUP] Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,

These were good Jews and Jesus had to open their mind to understand the scriptures that were talking about Him. The veil is over the minds of those that read Moses even to this day. If they turn to the Lord and see what He has done - then the veil is removed.

As long as you keep substituting the Law for Christ - you too will have that veil over your mind to see the light of the glorious gospel of the grace of Christ.

Come to Christ disciplemike.

Here Paul used the Law of Moses and the prophets to reveal Christ to the Jews. The Old Testament testifies of Christ. He is the reality of things - NOT the law of Moses.

Christ didn't come to bring us back to the Law - He came to bring us to Himself. He is the life - not rituals from an obsolete covenant that had already done it's job and brought us to Christ - now we are dead to the law, not under the law,.

Acts 28:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] When they had set a day for Paul, they came to him at his lodging in large numbers; and he was explaining to them by solemnly testifying about the kingdom of God and trying to persuade them concerning Jesus, from both the Law of Moses and from the Prophets, from morning until evening.

The saints have been warned about this anti-Christ religion of deserting Christ for going back to the law. Gal. 1:6. I will trust the Holy Spirit in them to reveal Christ to them - that is His job and He is very good at it.

I am done wrangling about the law - it is totally unprofitable.

Titus 3:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

 

[disciplemike]

As long as you keep substituting the Law for Christ - you too will have that veil over your mind to see the light of the glorious gospel of the grace of Christ.

Come to Christ disciplemike.

This is part of why you are an idiot.
And that is a Biblical term.
(2Peter1.20)

G2398 idios (id'-ee-os) adj.
1. pertaining to self, i.e. one's own
2. (by implication) private or separate



If anyone disagrees with you, you immediately throw up that that person must not have Christ.
Baloney, sir.
I have told you many times that I have a Savior.
But you try to gain points with your fans and cheerleaders with your grandstanding lies.
lies are ugly on xtians.
Be a man. Don't lie.

 

[gotime]

Everything in the Old Testament was a shadow of the real thing which is Christ. Jesus Himself said that the Pharisees thought by following the Law they could find life but they were dead wrong and law-keepers that exchange Christ for going back to the Law are doing the exact same thing.

John 5:39-40 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;

[SUP]40 [/SUP]and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

You are looking at a physical day and substituting it for Christ Himself. We Christians are dead to the Law, not under the Law, - how many ways can one say that the Law is not of faith and it is not for the righteous.

I am gentile and have nothing whatsoever to do with the Law. Are you a Jewish descendant or a Gentile?

As, I said...Jesus is the real Sabbath talked about in the scriptures because of Col. 2:16-17

Let me ask you a question. If someone doesn't observe the Sabbath as outlined in the Old Covenant the way that you do - are they sinning?

I am a Gentile grafted in though Christ. I agree that the Old is a revelation of Christ. I adhere to Isaiah 56 which connects the Sabbath to the bringing in of the Gentiles through Christ.

I am not substituting a physical day for Christ. I am simply accepting Christ and the day that he gives. The Sabbath precedes law it was recorded in the law yes but it came before law. It is a gift from Jesus to humanity.

I find this reasoning funny to suggest that because a spiritual lesson exists the physical does not matter. That same reasoning would do away with baptism physically. One could argue that true baptism is resting in the death and resurrection of Christ therefor physical baptism is no longer needed. That those who suggest one should be physically baptised are destroying the Gospel.

But here is the reality, one does not negate the other. The principle is alive in the physical. The Sabbath day is not done away with the Sabbath principle of rest. There is a physical truth given and made by God that fits and amplifies the spiritual truth. they are not at odds.

The Sabbath physical day is biblical and precedes law. God set a literal day and literally blessed it and literally set it apart for holy use. The spiritual lessons do not change a single one of those facts. The Physical was set up before sin was in the world so it is not a result of sin or a product of any problem. Thus Jesus does not change it or do anything to it by his work to save. If anything he amplifies it.

This is where I can't compute your reasoning. We both acknowledge the Spiritual. But I also acknowledged the physical reality. Jesus healed from sin and sickness. Not one or the other. By what biblical grounds do you negate the physical reality of Jesus work in creation concerning the Sabbath?

 

[gotime]

It is important to note that the Sabbath was never given to non believers. It was only given to those who were in a state of resting in his works. Its was not to save it was given to the saved.