HIZIKYAH'S TOPIC: DID PAUL SIN [DESPITE BEING T DESIGNATED HUMAN EXAMPLE IN THE NT]?

[Hizikyah]

Paul speaks of times which applied until the time of reformation

Speaks of the commandments contained in the ordinaces here

Ephes 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Of carnal ordinances here (in respects to meats and drinks) and divers washings which were imposed

What about unless heaven and earth pass? and Rev 21 says that is literal?

I want to point out that the words that are in italics are ADDED:

Ephesians 2:15-16, (NKJV), "having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. "

Not only odes the next verse tell us what was abolished, but when you remove the ADDED words the meaning changes.

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to Yahweh through the sacrifice--having killed the enmity through Himself."

enmity is:
Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.

The opposition to Yahweh;s instructions was abolished, not the Law it's self.

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

It is impossible to have HIS LAW written on your heart if you are in opposition (enmity) to it, so the ENMITY was abolished.

Romans 8:6-8, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Again:

"I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts"

Clear as day, but im still wrong huh?

Eph 2, "having killed the enmity through Himself."

Rom 8, "the carnal mind is enmity against Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh"

I guess Paul was not joking when he said:


1 Corinthians 4:15-16, "For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father (3962. patér) in Christ Jesus through the gospel. I urge you, then, be imitators of me."

Matthew 23:9, "And call no man your father (3962. patér) on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven."

 

[Hizikyah]

Hey, was Jesus talking about tossing your costume jewelry to filthy farm animals here?

Matthew 7:6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Hmmm maybe the Lord speaks by the prophets and the law in similitudes, proverbs, and parables as well?

Will you please assess Matt 5:18 with Rev 21:1-2?

"Unless heaven and earth passes away..the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law"

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

 

[Hizikyah]

Not putting this on any here, but I am rather illustrating what the world teaches;

"2 Opinions/error 6:66", "for through the Messiah I am allowed to hate all instructions and be free from them"

Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

"Law" is word #H8451 - torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

So I just dont get you guys.... He says Unless heaven and earth pass, Rev 21:1-2 says LITERALLY says heaven and earth will pass, did this happen yet?
Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

"Unless heaven and earth passes away..the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law"

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

So because He does use parables, everything He says is a parable? What about when His disciples say, "what is the meaning of the parable?" Come on.

And He explains?

Mk 7:17 But when He had left the people and entered the house, His disciples asked Him about the parable.

Mt 15:20, "These are the things which defile a man--but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man."

Is this a parable:

New International Version Mt 23:2-3
"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."

King James Bible Mt 23:2-3
"Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."

Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah
Mattithyah 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to thier takanot (reforms) and thier ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."
Takanot: reforms or enactments that (falsely) "change or add" to Yahweh's Law.

Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.

Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud.

Of course heaven and earth has not passed yet, but ALL THE LAW HAS NOT BEEN FULFILLED YET EITHER!!!!

That means the law is PROPHECY! Hello! Can you hear me now?

Mark 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

 

[ELECT]

Paul speaks of times which applied until the time of reformation

Speaks of the commandments contained in the ordinaces here

Ephes 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Of carnal ordinances here (in respects to meats and drinks) and divers washings which were imposed

Heb 9:10 [Which stood] only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed [on them] until the time of reformation.

Grace (not meats) establish the heart

Heb 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

As Jesus speaks to what entereth not into his heart (verses belly)

Mark 6:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

Took the handwriting of the ordinances out of the way on the cross

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

And these as it relates to the carnal ordinances of meats and drinks (see verse 2:16)

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Which again, shows the same thing

Heb 9:10 [Which stood] only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed [on them] until the time of reformation.

Which he said were a shadow of things to come.

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Jesus said,

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Jesus said,

Mat 11:18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.

And,

Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners.

Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

Mark 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

Mark 6:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

What others allow for themselves according to conscience is spoken of

Romans 14:6 He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

1Cr 6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them.

But not imposed

1Cr 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

And in the same did Paul exercise himself (in respects to his conscience) and others

John 1:7 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Heb 13:9... For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

Heres a few that speak in accord

Are the ten commamdments ordinances ?

 

[Word_Swordsman]

i will prove Scriptural before I speak:

Isayah 66:21-24, "And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, says Yahweh. For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make will remain before Me, says Yahweh: so will your seed and your name remain. And it will come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to worship before Me, says Yahweh. And they will go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men who have transgressed against Me; for their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched; and they will be an abhorrence to all flesh."

I could post a handful more but if one will reject that , there is no point.

4For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
“Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body have you prepared for me;
6in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.
7Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God,
as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”
8When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law),
9then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second.
10And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,
13waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet.
14For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

....

this is about the transfer of the priesthood, the letter to the Hebrews was to those in the "temple" still trying to act like Levitical priests, the priesthoods is now after the order of Melchizedek...

If you think that does away with any Laws of Yah you are mistaken: Sacrifice is truly completed Messiah, but us being born 2,000 yrs later would have no cleansing from that bloof if it were abloished, only because YAHWEH set forth a Law that said, blood = remission of sin is it even possible..... and the priesthood is also of Messiah;


1 Timothy 2:5, "For One is Yahweh; and One Mediator between Yahweh and men: the Man, Yahshua Messiah."

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

"Unless heaven and earth passes away..the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law"

Has heaven and earth passed away? I will give you a minute to look out your window.......

No? Still there? So according to HIM, not me, Him, nothing will pass from the Law. (the real Sacifice is complete, and the Pristhood has taken on it true form, as Yahshua is the High Priest now.)

When will heaven and earth pass? Does Scripture give us a hint? Thank Yah, it does;

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

It would make much easier reading of your scripture references if you would not use a version that supplants the Hebrew names in place of the Greek/English words. We Christians don't relate to the Jewish terminology. It's unnecessary. The New Testament scriptures were not written using Hebrew words, mostly written to and for Gentile Christians, so why mix it up? Is it because of the Judaizer thing? Oil and water? Deny the trinity? Why?

I don't see any of us denying that upon Jesus' second advent the veil will come off the Jewish mind and all Israel will be saved. Even the earthly priesthood and feasts will be reinstated, with Jesus doing all the proper mixing. But that is not for now. Now is the time for the Gentiles, not the Jews. Moses is abolished among the Gentiles. Jesus is ratified in his own blood. The priesthood of Moses and Aaron is abolished, Jesus being High Priest after the order of Melchizedek in this interval and forever, soon to make the earthly priesthood after that same order.

Then we can all do what many Messianic Jews try to do, appreciate all the unfolding plan of God, memorialized continually by the earthly priesthood. Moses will be presented in terms of past understood by present, the law in relation to Christ and faith.

What is abolished can certainly return in some form. Abolition should be understood in terms of it's use throughout history. Slavery has been abolished now and then, but it pops up again in different forms and places not noticed. Communists abolished private property ownership. But was that permanent? No. China abolished religion. Is it demolished, non-existent? No. It is illegal to practice religion, people go to prison for practicing.

Moses is not destroyed, but set aside, out of commission. There is no way a single part of Moses can cease to exist. But God has set it aside, there being none but Jesus who could be faithful to it. "Faithful" should be understood in terms of a man and woman married. Just an occasional betrayal just can't be acceptable, not with God anyway. Why be married if you can't be faithful to the marriage bed? It is then best to divorce, better yet not to marry until capable of being faithful. The law priesthood was not faithful. The scribes, Levites, Pharisees, Sadducees, the citizens, could not be faithful to the law. They were sent off in exile, dying in exile. So in Christ it is set aside, abolished, until the New Earth and New Heaven.

There is enough commandment from Jesus and the apostles to satisfy God, even more than the old commandments which demanded the external things, taste not, touch not, do not. There was no instruction for a change of heart that would cause people to rise higher than the Mosaic laws. The New Covenant does that. Because it aims for the heart of man, the old instructions are unnecessary towards salvation.

If a person can't grasp the idea of sin and what it does to us, then one can obtain a completed education about that from Moses's sin consciousness. But the New Testament does a better job of teaching righteousness, comparing it to sin consciousness.

 

[Hizikyah]

Of course heaven and earth has not passed yet, but ALL THE LAW HAS NOT BEEN FULFILLED YET EITHER!!!!

That means the law is PROPHECY! Hello! Can you hear me now?

Mark 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Yes I understand the Yashua has yet to fulfill the judgment in the Law which He will when He returns

So the Law is prophecy and Yahsua spoke in parables...

Psalm 78:2, "I will open My mouth in a parable, I will utter dark; tricky, sayings from ancient times,"

Oh how does the word of Yahweh support itself;

Psalm 78:1-3, "Listen to My Law, O My people! Incline your ears to the words from My mouth: Yahweh our Father says! I will open My mouth in a parable, I will utter dark; tricky, sayings from ancient times, Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us!"

that means you can ignore the Law of the Most High? Or be given the strength to change into what the perfect Law of love, the Law of Yahweh says?

 

[ISeeYou]

Of course heaven and earth has not passed yet, but ALL THE LAW HAS NOT BEEN FULFILLED YET EITHER!!!!

That means the law is PROPHECY! Hello! Can you hear me now?

Mark 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Heres part of the problem he quotes Mark 7 and then has it answer for the same in Mat 15

Mk 7:17 But when He had left the people and entered the house, His disciples asked Him about the parable.

Mt 15:20, "These are the things which defile a man--but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man."

They can all be used but theres one, I believe there are these groups that believe Paul is a liar who pit Pauls words against Jesus but for the sole purpose of showing Paul is a liar. Theres one of those over at CF, and it just all become about what goes into your mouth (and centers around foods and drinks). Calls himself a Non Pauline, and they have slipped into the mix. There is no speaking to them

So the word of the Lord must remain foods and drinks to them

Say your peace and move on for sanity sake.

 

[Hizikyah]

It would make much easier reading of your scripture references if you would not use a version that supplants the Hebrew names in place of the Greek/English words. We Christians don't relate to the Jewish terminology. It's unnecessary. The New Testament scriptures were not written using Hebrew words, mostly written to and for Gentile Christians, so why mix it up? Is it because of the Judaizer thing? Oil and water? Deny the trinity? Why?

I don't see any of us denying that upon Jesus' second advent the veil will come off the Jewish mind and all Israel will be saved. Even the earthly priesthood and feasts will be reinstated, with Jesus doing all the proper mixing. But that is not for now. Now is the time for the Gentiles, not the Jews. Moses is abolished among the Gentiles. Jesus is ratified in his own blood. The priesthood of Moses and Aaron is abolished, Jesus being High Priest after the order of Melchizedek in this interval and forever, soon to make the earthly priesthood after that same order.

Then we can all do what many Messianic Jews try to do, appreciate all the unfolding plan of God, memorialized continually by the earthly priesthood. Moses will be presented in terms of past understood by present, the law in relation to Christ and faith.

What is abolished can certainly return in some form. Abolition should be understood in terms of it's use throughout history. Slavery has been abolished now and then, but it pops up again in different forms and places not noticed. Communists abolished private property ownership. But was that permanent? No. China abolished religion. Is it demolished, non-existent? No. It is illegal to practice religion, people go to prison for practicing.

Moses is not destroyed, but set aside, out of commission. There is no way a single part of Moses can cease to exist. But God has set it aside, there being none but Jesus who could be faithful to it. "Faithful" should be understood in terms of a man and woman married. Just an occasional betrayal just can't be acceptable, not with God anyway. Why be married if you can't be faithful to the marriage bed? It is then best to divorce, better yet not to marry until capable of being faithful. The law priesthood was not faithful. The scribes, Levites, Pharisees, Sadducees, the citizens, could not be faithful to the law. They were sent off in exile, dying in exile. So in Christ it is set aside, abolished, until the New Earth and New Heaven.

There is enough commandment from Jesus and the apostles to satisfy God, even more than the old commandments which demanded the external things, taste not, touch not, do not. There was no instruction for a change of heart that would cause people to rise higher than the Mosaic laws. The New Covenant does that. Because it aims for the heart of man, the old instructions are unnecessary towards salvation.

If a person can't grasp the idea of sin and what it does to us, then one can obtain a completed education about that from Moses's sin consciousness. But the New Testament does a better job of teaching righteousness, comparing it to sin consciousness.

If you say so.... but that is your words. LOL judaizer thing... oh my the talmud is the most evil physical thing is the world

What does China abolishing religion have to do with what the Messiah says? They abolish so that is the green light?

Heaven and earth did not pass yet. So according to Him....

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

John 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

I am ok with being called anything by anyone, as long as Im repeating His words.

 

[ISeeYou]

Are the ten commamdments ordinances ?

I dont particular regard the ten as being of meats, drinks and divers washings in respects to carnal ordinances, because Paul said, the law is spiritual whereas these were carnal.

 

[ISeeYou]

I have thunder, if Im lost thats the reason, although this topic no matter which forum you are just goes nowhere from experience.

 

[ISeeYou]

Are the ten commamdments ordinances ?

How about you, what do you think?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Yes I understand the Yashua has yet to fulfill the judgment in the Law which He will when He returns

So the Law is prophecy and Yahsua spoke in parables...

Psalm 78:2, "I will open My mouth in a parable, I will utter dark; tricky, sayings from ancient times,"

Oh how does the word of Yahweh support itself;

Psalm 78:1-3, "Listen to My Law, O My people! Incline your ears to the words from My mouth: Yahweh our Father says! I will open My mouth in a parable, I will utter dark; tricky, sayings from ancient times, Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us!"

that means you can ignore the Law of the Most High? Or be given the strength to change into what the perfect Law of love, the Law of Yahweh says?

I'm not saying you are to ignore the law, I never said any such thing. What I'm saying is there is much more to the law than meets the eye, and the mind of the flesh cannot hear it, or see it.(spiritually so) That is why Jesus was always saying "those who have ears to hear, let them hear what the Spirit is saying." Not all have been given ears to hear what the spiritual law is saying until the vail of the flesh is removed.

Matthew 13:14
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

 

[Hizikyah]

The Law should be followed in Spirit, Spirit is not closing ones eyes and never reading the book and using ones own imagination to decide what is right and what is wrong.

In the same way if one focuses too much on written black and withe they will being to miss the purpose of the Law.

Example,

love your neighbor....

well the guy 3 cities over is not my neighbor right?

No, everyone on earth is our neighbor....

How can one walk in the Spirit while directly going against what He says?

Keep the Sabbath, oh yeah we do I hear, oh no not like it says to, we do it in a way that our heart wants to you know says we are resting every day... lol So can I physically steal but not spiritually steal?

and really that is what it boils down to is the 7th day sabbath, want to know why? Because it is the MARK OF YAHWEH;

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Exodus 31:13-17, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy"....16-17, "Therefore the children of Israyl shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israyl forever, for in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, and on the Seventh Day He rested and was refreshed."

Revelation 14:9-11, "And the third malak followed them, saying with a loud voice: If any man worships the beast and his likeness, and receives his mark in his forehead or upon his hand, The same will drink of the wine of the wrath of Yahweh...........And they have no Sabbath night and day, who worship the beast and his likeness..."

which mark the beast mark of Yahweh mark?

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

This "sign" is your actions (right hand) which represents strength, what you do with your ability/life and memorial between your eyes Exodus 13:9, that explains the mark of Yahweh says: "memorial between your eyes," what do we remember with that is between our eyes? Our brain, or our thoughts and beliefs.

If you think the Sabbath is only for the Hebrew people and/or gentiles were grafted in during the NT you are Scriptually wrong:

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which eplease Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."

Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."

Yahweh told us evil powers would change the Sabbath and Laws through the mouth of the prophet Daniyl:

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

Revelation 13:3-4, “…and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?”

BUT BE WARNED if you seek to obey Yahweh, the world will hate you:

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:9-11, "And the third malak followed them, saying with a loud voice: If any man worships the beast and his likeness, and receives his mark in his forehead or upon his hand, The same will drink of the wine of the wrath of Yahweh...........And they have no Sabbath night and day, who worship the beast and his likeness..."

which mark the beast mark of Yahweh mark?

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

This "sign" is your actions (right hand) which represents strength, what you do with your ability/life and memorial between your eyes Exodus 13:9, that explains the mark of Yahweh says: "memorial between your eyes," what do we remember with that is between our eyes? Our brain, or our thoughts and beliefs.

I pray that you can see past my outer shell and see truth, do not judge by appearances...

John 7:24, "Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly."

 

[ISeeYou]

Hizikyah are you a non Pauline?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Heres part of the problem he quotes Mark 7 and then has it answer for the same in Mat 15



They can all be used but theres one, I believe there are these groups that believe Paul is a liar who pit Pauls words against Jesus but for the sole purpose of showing Paul is a liar. Theres one of those over at CF, and it just all become about what goes into your mouth (and centers around foods and drinks). Calls himself a Non Pauline, and they have slipped into the mix. There is no speaking to them

So the word of the Lord must remain foods and drinks to them

Say your peace and move on for sanity sake.

Oh, I know. I can't make people see or hear what the Spirit is saying, just as it is written that "a man can receive nothing except it be given him from heaven." Jesus said the old wine skin cannot receive the new wine until it is made a new wine skin. So I fully understand why they can't receive His testimony.

 

[Hizikyah]

I'm not saying you are to ignore the law, I never said any such thing. What I'm saying is there is much more to the law than meets the eye, and the mind of the flesh cannot hear it, or see it.(spiritually so) That is why Jesus was always saying "those who have ears to hear, let them hear what the Spirit is saying." Not all have been given ears to hear what the spiritual law is saying until the vail of the flesh is removed.

Matthew 13:14
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

I want you to know, I did not mean you said that, I did put A question mark as to illustrate what direction do we go from there...

This I agree with 100% more if it were possible.

But here is the thing, if He left us the written words for a reason, and how did we learn of Messiah, we were told, but we read, we learned, we prayed? Right? Is it evil if I read what Messiah says/teaches and think, Im going to pray to have the strength to follow that?

Reading the words until it is bound to ones souls IS ONLY THE BEGINNING, listen to lying pastors and not reading is ERROR.

I have read the Scripture a ton and know people that have read it way ore than me, im a rookie I know, but a diligent rookie.
and im not downing anyone, BUT I have never met a human tha knew the word without reading it, that is why when people isolate Paul they get lost. and please don't jump on me for saying that, for Peter says that.

 

[Elin]

Thank you for inviting me to the party! Yeah so this is a new ideal/topic to me, something I came across when reading Scripture. And since this is such a delicate topic I humbly ask that any who partake in this discussion, myself induced use caution in replying to each others words, I know at time I can misread or misunderstand another comments and go off on a wrong tangent.

So this is something I posted a week or so ago, I want to use this as a starting point:

Most people cast Messiah's words aside for their misunderstanding of Paul's writings, I am saying one must know what the Messiah said, and IMO
Paul should be understood as being filtered through Messiah, not Messiah filtered through Paul,

This prinicple is problematic.

Jesus lived and taught under the OT.
He presented nowhere near the full teaching of his new order (Heb 9:10)
in his new covenant (Lk 22:20), for he had not yet died, and
there was yet no basis for the full gospel of his atoning death (Ro 3:25).

He personally gave massive new revelation of the full gospel to Paul, which we find in Paul's writings,
which are the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) in the NT writers.

Jesus' first NT revelation (the gospels) is not adequately understood apart from
his second NT revelation which more fully develops it through the NT writers.

To set Jesus' revelation through the NT writers in the gospels against
Jesus' revelation through the NT writers in the epistles is heresy.

Jesus does not contradict himself in the gospels and the epistles.
If one does not understand the gospels and epistles in harmony,
then one does not correctly understand the NT.

Setting the Scriptures against themselves is the root of the problem here.

 

[Hizikyah]

Hizikyah are you a non Pauline?

I find the question as possibly deceitful, I may be wrong. But could I not ask if you were a "non Messiah"?

Because I am not willing to throw out everything the Messiah said for Paul, who made errors? Not Paul's words are not a blender to destroy the words of the Messiah, for the Messiah is the ONE we must hear and obey...

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Is Paul the prophet we must hear and obey? Because Scripture makes it clear that while all prophets and all Scripture is there for our learning, there is ONLY ONE that YHWH says WE MUST HEAR AND OBEY. Would you comfort my heart by posting the passage where that is stated, and explain to me if you believe that passage? (I ask SINCERELY)

I am a ENTIRE WORD believer, believing this passage also: (do you believe this passage?)

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

 

[ISeeYou]

This prinicple is problematic.

Jesus lived and taught under the OT.
He presented nowhere near the full teaching of his new order (Heb 9:10)
in his new covenant (Lk 22:20), for he had not yet died, and
there was yet no basis for the full gospel of his atoning death (Ro 3:25).

He personally gave massive new revelation of the full gospel to Paul, which we find in Paul's writings,
which are the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

Jesus' first NT revelation (the gospels) is not adequately understood apart from his second NT revelation
through the NT writers of the epistles which more fully develops it.

To set Jesus' revelation through the NT writers in the gospels against
Jesus' revelation through the NT writers in the epistles is heresy.

Jesus does not contradict himself in the gospels and the epistles.
If one does not understand the gospels and epistles in harmony,
then one does not correctly understand the NT.

Setting the Scriptures against themselves is the root of the problem here.

I said this privately to you sis, but I will say it here, this was just beautifully said.

Amen!