HIZIKYAH'S TOPIC: DID PAUL SIN [DESPITE BEING T DESIGNATED HUMAN EXAMPLE IN THE NT]?
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You will never hear me speak one word against the law, because I know some men are still in the flesh and they can't hear what the law is truly saying. Everyone needs to be convinced in their own minds what the law is saying to them. If a man is weak and believes it is sin to eat certain meats, then I do not condemn him. But neither let him condemn me because the Lord has convinced me by His Spirit that nothing is unclean of itself.
If you are searching for the Truth in Gods words by faith, then you find it, for this is His promise. But understand, all of your hard work will not write His words upon your heart, only God can do that by His Spirit. You have a very good working knowledge of scripture, but you lack the spiritual understanding that comes only from God's Spirit.
A man must be born again in order to receive that new spiritual wine, and every man needs to search his own self if Christ truly dwells in his heart.
2 Corinthians 13:5 "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"
Men can fool other men, but what does it profit a man if a man fools himself in this?
If you are searching for the Truth in Gods words by faith, then you find it, for this is His promise. But understand, all of your hard work will not write His words upon your heart, only God can do that by His Spirit. You have a very good working knowledge of scripture, but you lack the spiritual understanding that comes only from God's Spirit.
A man must be born again in order to receive that new spiritual wine, and every man needs to search his own self if Christ truly dwells in his heart.
2 Corinthians 13:5 "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"
Men can fool other men, but what does it profit a man if a man fools himself in this?
Paul's letters must simply be harmonized with the teachings of Christ. They do agree, but it does take a little study and prayer to reach this understanding. After all, in Paul's own words...
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
So im saying all Scripture is valid, and Scripture must be interpreted by Scripture, holding the Messiah words as the golden standard...
Yahchanan (John) 4:25-26, "The woman said to Him; I know that the Messiah comes, and when He comes, He will tell us all things. Yahshua said to her: I am He speaking to you."
and you say ;
when He says
Matt 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away."
Yahchanan (John) 4:25-26, "The woman said to Him; I know that the Messiah comes, and when He comes, He will tell us all things. Yahshua said to her: I am He speaking to you."
and you say ;
when He says
Matt 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away."
C
You are guilty of the very thing that Peter was defending Paul writings for .... though Paul had to Openly Rebuke Peter Before All for siding with the Jews in Galatians 2.
"Hard to understand" - FOR YOU! is what Peter is saying!
I'm sorry my dear friend, but today has changed my mind on who I will 'lift up' and it will never change - now that I know what I've read thus far on this thread...
I WILL DEFEND PAUL AS HAVING MADE NO MISTAKES WHATSOEVER IN HIS MINISTRY.
HE KNEW HIS LIFE WOULD END BY GOING TO JERUSALEM TO MEET WITH JAMES AND ALL TO GET THE WORD ON WHAT WAS REQUIRED OF THE GENTILES 'BEFORE' HE WENT TO ROME TO DO MUCH IN SPREADING THE WORD OF GOD AMONG THEM AND TO LOSE HIS LIFE THERE --- HE WENT THERE KNOWING THAT HE WOULD!
WHAT PAUL WROTE WAS "SCRIPTURE" THAT Yahoshua had COMMISSIONED HIM TO WRITE 12-13 BOOKS OF OUR NEW TESTAMENT.
PAUL WALKED AND WROTE IN THE SPIRIT OF YHWH and my heart is broken that anyone would say differently by "wresting the Scriptures" as Peter said that Paul's writings were equivalent to and that they WOULD be wrested.
Act 9:13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
Act 9:14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
Act 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My Name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Act 9:16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for My Name's sake.....
2Co 11:24 Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.
2Co 11:25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
2Co 11:26 In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
2Co 11:27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.
2Co 11:28 Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.
2Co 11:29 Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn [in anger] not?
2Co 11:30 If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.
2Co 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
"Hard to understand" - FOR YOU! is what Peter is saying!
I'm sorry my dear friend, but today has changed my mind on who I will 'lift up' and it will never change - now that I know what I've read thus far on this thread...
I WILL DEFEND PAUL AS HAVING MADE NO MISTAKES WHATSOEVER IN HIS MINISTRY.
HE KNEW HIS LIFE WOULD END BY GOING TO JERUSALEM TO MEET WITH JAMES AND ALL TO GET THE WORD ON WHAT WAS REQUIRED OF THE GENTILES 'BEFORE' HE WENT TO ROME TO DO MUCH IN SPREADING THE WORD OF GOD AMONG THEM AND TO LOSE HIS LIFE THERE --- HE WENT THERE KNOWING THAT HE WOULD!
WHAT PAUL WROTE WAS "SCRIPTURE" THAT Yahoshua had COMMISSIONED HIM TO WRITE 12-13 BOOKS OF OUR NEW TESTAMENT.
PAUL WALKED AND WROTE IN THE SPIRIT OF YHWH and my heart is broken that anyone would say differently by "wresting the Scriptures" as Peter said that Paul's writings were equivalent to and that they WOULD be wrested.
Act 9:13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:
Act 9:14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
Act 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My Name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Act 9:16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for My Name's sake.....
2Co 11:24 Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.
2Co 11:25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
2Co 11:26 In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
2Co 11:27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.
2Co 11:28 Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.
2Co 11:29 Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn [in anger] not?
2Co 11:30 If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.
2Co 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
So I want to see if I am understanding what you are saying..
So DO you think Peter is wrong in saying that? and I am wrong for accepting that passage that is written in Scripture?
2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."
So DO you think Peter is wrong in saying that? and I am wrong for accepting that passage that is written in Scripture?
2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."
Do the people that disagree with me believe this passage?
2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."
I just want to confirm I am understanding you.
So you agree that Paul's writing are hard to understand to those not fully learned in the word, and that a effect of his writing being hard to understand causes some people to fall into Lawlessness*?
*" You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people"
C
Not true. Rejected because you don't trust Yahoshua to have HAND PICKED PAUL FOR A DIVINE AND PERFECT MINISTRY and have placed your own understanding Over Yahoshua's choice of the most used man that YHWH had chosen to affect the "whole world" as HIS representative and write half of His New Covenant by.
No - you have "rejected" YHWH's key man of the Book of the New Covenant.
Paul was a bonified MARTYR ----------- YOU ARE NOT and need to get off of this high horse mentality of spiritual pride above the man, Paul of YHWH's choosing.
No - you have "rejected" YHWH's key man of the Book of the New Covenant.
Paul was a bonified MARTYR ----------- YOU ARE NOT and need to get off of this high horse mentality of spiritual pride above the man, Paul of YHWH's choosing.
Now can you quote where I said what you accuse me of?
(because if you look at my posts, maybe not so much in this thread, BECAUSE OF THE TOPIC, but I quote Paul's writings as valid in forming my doctrine)
anf you said, "No - you have "rejected" YHWH's key man of the Book of the New Covenant."
I thought Yahshua was the "key man"
John 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."
(because if you look at my posts, maybe not so much in this thread, BECAUSE OF THE TOPIC, but I quote Paul's writings as valid in forming my doctrine)
anf you said, "No - you have "rejected" YHWH's key man of the Book of the New Covenant."
I thought Yahshua was the "key man"
John 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."