Holy Flesh Is Surely Possible

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zone

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Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die

Gen_5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
IN THE DAY.
the very day he ate it.
his eyes were opened and he knew he was naked < SINNED. severed from perfect fellowship with God due to SIN.
everything started dying THAT DAY.
including the fig leaves they plucked off to cover their shame.

all died in Adam.

now i want your 1,000 years = one day theory please.
all applications.
 

Jon4TheCross

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that is not alive flesh. it is fetid, infected disease ridden breeding grounds. not ALIVE flesh at all.

you are just joining two words and redefining it to make it mean what you want. which is fine if you are talking to yourself in your head but if you want to communicate to others then you should use the English language as it was designed to be used.

You could call it infected flesh, diseased flesh, poisoned flesh. but to call it "alive flesh" seems to be mocking the LIFE God gives us and just confuses any message you are trying to convey.
The what would you call an organic dwelling place with infection and disease? If it was dead, there would be no disease or infection. Disease and infection mutates and makes something that God did not create. What scientist would not call an organic disease ridden body alive? Don't most consider viruses, bacteria, mold, etc. alive?
 
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Ariel82

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So you're saying that we cannot be holy (in every aspect of life) until we have our new bodies (which I believe will still be made out of earth, just new earth)?
nope we weren't even discussing that. God's children are clothed in the righteousness of Christ and are made HOLY by His blood and atoning sacrifice on the cross. but if you are asking if we can be JESUS in this life with our sinful flesh bodies, then the answer is NO we can't but we can be who GOD created us to be and do the work He gave us for His glory.

as the the comment "I believe will still be made out of earth, just new earth" its just ignoring the fact that the Bible says that our bodies will be like JESUS body which was raised from the dead and what 1 Corinthians 15 says.

Why would God make such an example of circumcision (cutting off the flesh and letting it die by not grafting it back on) if it did not apply spiritually?
is that what you are not getting? one of the men want to explain it. while you at it ask yourself why women didn't have to be circumcised in the OT but are in the NT.

The responses I have been getting inform me that there is much flesh that is squirming at the thought of dying, and that's a good thing.
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uuuuhhh
.....don't get to excited there....

I accept the fact that my body is dying every moment of every day but my SPIRIT is alive in Christ and will live eternally. so no squirming here. just deep concern for your mental and spiritual health.

well I'm sure many on here will be praying for you.

I think I'm echoing Kefa's feeling of nausea now. going to find Abiding and his cookies and maybe someone will have some milk...
 

zone

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The what would you call an organic dwelling place with infection and disease? If it was dead, there would be no disease or infection. Disease and infection mutates and makes something that God did not create. What scientist would not call an organic disease ridden body alive? Don't most consider viruses, bacteria, mold, etc. alive?
do you have an appointment with the grave jon4?
 

Jon4TheCross

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IN THE DAY.
the very day he ate it.
his eyes were opened and he knew he was naked < SINNED. severed from perfect fellowship with God due to SIN.
everything started dying THAT DAY.
including the fig leaves they plucked off to cover their shame.

all died in Adam.

now i want your 1,000 years = one day theory please.
all applications.
I agree it was in the day he ate it, but how long is a day according to the perspective of the flesh, and how long according to the spirit? Or do you believe that the two perspectives don't exist? Adam didn't live to be 1000 years, you think that's a coincidence or God did it on purpose? Actually, nobody in the Bible lived to be 1000 years old (unless you consider enoch and elijah), and so everyone was less than a day old (faith of a child).

2Pe_3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Why the encouragement to not be ignorant of this one thing? It's important in order for you to know that you're just a baby, like all of us.

This verse along with adam dying before 1000, and God saying that adam would die in the day he ate of the tree, how can you not see it?

I have three verses not out of context to help you understand this, what verses do you have to support your theory?

 
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Ariel82

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The what would you call an organic dwelling place with infection and disease? If it was dead, there would be no disease or infection. Disease and infection mutates and makes something that God did not create. What scientist would not call an organic disease ridden body alive? Don't most consider viruses, bacteria, mold, etc. alive?
wow you really want a science lesson?

how about an experiment. take a piece of steak or bread... leave it out for a few days... do things grow on it? (most will say yes)

is the steak or bread alive? (most sane people would say NO)

therefore infectious tissue would be considered DEAD tissue even if the host is living and most often needs to be removed so that the living tissue can heal. therefore the fetid, infected, putrid tissue would be called DEAD FLESH not LIVING flesh. you just twist the definitions around to make it say what you want it to say but its not how most people use those terms. therefore if you truly want to communicate, i suggest you be more careful how you use words.

disease and infections are curses that accompanied the fall of Adam from Eden.

the scientist who is working at the morgue would call the dead, organic disease ridden body, dead and infectious...

most scientists consider viruses as not alive because they can't reproduce outside a host but that's kind of beside the point because we are trying to understand what the BIBLE says not what scientist think.
 
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Jon4TheCross

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nope we weren't even discussing that. God's children are clothed in the righteousness of Christ and are made HOLY by His blood and atoning sacrifice on the cross. but if you are asking if we can be JESUS in this life with our sinful flesh bodies, then the answer is NO we can't but we can be who GOD created us to be and do the work He gave us for His glory.

as the the comment "I believe will still be made out of earth, just new earth" its just ignoring the fact that the Bible says that our bodies will be like JESUS body which was raised from the dead and what 1 Corinthians 15 says.

is that what you are not getting? one of the men want to explain it. while you at it ask yourself why women didn't have to be circumcised in the OT but are in the NT.


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uuuuhhh
.....don't get to excited there....

I accept the fact that my body is dying every moment of every day but my SPIRIT is alive in Christ and will live eternally. so no squirming here. just deep concern for your mental and spiritual health.

well I'm sure many on here will be praying for you.

I think I'm echoing Kefa's feeling of nausea now. going to find Abiding and his cookies and maybe someone will have some milk...
Yes, this whole discussion is about holy flesh is it not? Do you deny that our flesh can be holy?
 

Jon4TheCross

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wow you really want a science lesson?

how about an experiment. take a piece of steak or bread... leave it out for a few days... do things grow on it? (most will say yes)

is the steak or bread alive? (most sane people would say NO)

disease and infections are curses that accompanied the fall of Adam from Eden.

the scientist who is working at the morgue would call the dead, organic disease ridden body, dead and infectious...

most scientists consider viruses as not alive because they can't reproduce outside a host but that's kind of beside the point because we are trying to understand what the BIBLE says not what scientist think.
If viruses, mold, and disease cannot reproduce outside a host, then if that's true it testifies even more to the nature of the flesh. The host dies (the flesh) and so does the plague.
 

zone

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I agree it was in the day he ate it, but how long is a day according to the perspective of the flesh, and how long according to the spirit? Or do you believe that the two perspectives don't exist? Adam didn't live to be 1000 years, you think that's a coincidence or God did it on purpose? Actually, nobody in the Bible lived to be 1000 years old (unless you consider enoch and elijah), and so everyone was less than a day old (faith of a child).

2Pe_3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


would you show me whereGod said His Plan was for man to live to be 1,000 years old? i may be wrong. where is that?

2Pe_3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


God is eternal.





ya...Still? zone.
can you bring the thousand years thing over?
 

Jon4TheCross

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A holy spirit by measure cannot be infected unless it puts on flesh.
 
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Ariel82

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Yes, this whole discussion is about holy flesh is it not? Do you deny that our flesh can be holy?
nope, even posted scriptures about how to live as a NEW Creation in Christ,( which you kind of ignored)

mainly just object to your use of "dead flesh" and false claims about how Jesus came in "dead flesh" and your misunderstanding of how Jesus body was changed after His death and resurrection and many other things you have said.

mmm but i'm going to post this and hope no new post pops up...
 

Jon4TheCross

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would you show me whereGod said His Plan was for man to live to be 1,000 years old? i may be wrong. where is that?

2Pe_3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


God is eternal.





ya...Still? zone.
can you bring the thousand years thing over?
I never said anything about the time we're supposed to live. We were created to be eternal, not temporary.
 

Jon4TheCross

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nope, even posted scriptures about how to live as a NEW Creation in Christ,( which you kind of ignored)

mainly just object to your use of "dead flesh" and false claims about how Jesus came in "dead flesh" and your misunderstanding of how Jesus body was changed after His death and resurrection and many other things you have said.

mmm but i'm going to post this and hope no new post pops up...
still no scripture to support your fleshly perspectives. So where are you from? How old are you? What are you made out of? Will you answer those questions according to the flesh as well? You don't even know your real name.
 
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Ariel82

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If viruses, mold, and disease cannot reproduce outside a host, then if that's true it testifies even more to the nature of the flesh. The host dies (the flesh) and so does the plague.
sigh... mold and bacteria are classified as alive and can live outside a host. viruses are just packets of DNA.... you haven't study microbiology or disease transmission have you?

here is a vocabulary word for you. it describe the concept of disease spreading via clothes or houses:

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Ariel82

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grrr its not letting me post so annoying....

fomite
An inanimate object or substance, such as clothing, furniture, or soap, that is capable of transmitting infectious organisms from one individual to another.


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(try zone's dot method...
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zone

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still no scripture to support your fleshly perspectives. So where are you from? How old are you? What are you made out of? Will you answer those questions according to the flesh as well? You don't even know your real name.
are you teaching pre-existence of yourself?
just say yes or no for now.
thanks. i'd like to narrow this down.
 
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Ariel82

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still no scripture to support your fleshly perspectives. So where are you from? How old are you? What are you made out of? Will you answer those questions according to the flesh as well? You don't even know your real name.
why don't you be a sweetheart and answer those questions yourself?

you know be a leader and show us an example of how you can answer NOT according to the flesh.

me, i stick to my original answer of being a beloved child of God and the scriptures posted to support that view.
 
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Dying To Self
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Galatians 2:20*
I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Luke 9:23*

And he said to all, &#8220;If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.

Galatians 5:24*

And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Mark 8:35*

For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel's will save it.

Matthew 10:35
And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

John 12:24*

Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.

1 Corinthians 15:31

I protest, brothers, by my pride in you, which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die every day!

Romans 6:1-23*

What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. ...

1 Peter 2:24*

He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.

Romans 12:1*

I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.

2 Corinthians 4:8

We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair;

1 Peter 4:1-11*

Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same way of thinking, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for human passions but for the will of God. For the time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do, living in sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry. With respect to this they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you; but they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. ...

Luke 14:26 ESV / 10 helpful votes

&#8220;If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.

Philippians 2:1-30*

So if there is any encouragement in Christ, any comfort from love, any participation in the Spirit, any affection and sympathy, complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind. Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, ...

Hebrews 12:2*

Looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

Revelation 20:4*

Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

1 John 2:1-29*

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says &#8220;I know him&#8221; but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: ...

Colossians 1:24*

Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church,

Ephesians 5:21*

Submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.

John 15:1-27*

&#8220;I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. ...

Matthew 18:1-35*

At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, &#8220;Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?&#8221; And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them and said, &#8220;Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. &#8220;Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, ...

Romans 6:3*

Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?

Matthew 6:1-34*

&#8220;Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. &#8220;Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. &#8220;And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ...

1 Peter 2:1-25*

So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation&#8212; if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good. As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. ...

Titus 3:5 ESV / 3 helpful votes

He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Ephesians 1:7 ESV / 3 helpful votes

In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,

Mark 10:45 ESV / 3 helpful votes

For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.&#8221;

Mark 8:1-38*

In those days, when again a great crowd had gathered, and they had nothing to eat, he called his disciples to him and said to them, &#8220;I have compassion on the crowd, because they have been with me now three days and have nothing to eat. And if I send them away hungry to their homes, they will faint on the way. And some of them have come from far away.&#8221; And his disciples answered him, &#8220;How can one feed these people with bread here in this desolate place?&#8221; And he asked them, &#8220;How many loaves do you have?&#8221; They said, &#8220;Seven.&#8221; ...

Ephesians 5:26

That he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,

Ephesians 2:11-22*

Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called &#8220;the uncircumcision&#8221; by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands&#8212; remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, ...

1 Corinthians 15:29

Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?

1 Corinthians 13:13

So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

Acts 5:40-42 ESV / 2*

And when they had called in the apostles, they beat them and charged them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go. Then they left the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the name. And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they did not cease teaching and preaching Jesus as the Christ.

John 8:31 ESV / 2*

So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, &#8220;If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples,

John 3:1-36 ESV / 2*

Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, &#8220;Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.&#8221; Jesus answered him, &#8220;Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.&#8221; Nicodemus said to him, &#8220;How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?&#8221; Jesus answered, &#8220;Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. ...

Matthew 28:19-20

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.&#8221;

Ruth 1:1-22 ESV / 2*

In the days when the judges ruled there was a famine in the land, and a man of Bethlehem in Judah went to sojourn in the country of Moab, he and his wife and his two sons. The name of the man was Elimelech and the name of his wife Naomi, and the names of his two sons were Mahlon and Chilion. They were Ephrathites from Bethlehem in Judah. They went into the country of Moab and remained there. But Elimelech, the husband of Naomi, died, and she was left with her two sons. These took Moabite wives; the name of the one was Orpah and the name of the other Ruth. They lived there about ten years, and both Mahlon and Chilion died, so that the woman was left without her two sons and her husband. ...

Hebrews 9:14 ESV / 1 helpful vote

How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

2 Thessalonians 1:1-12 ESV / 1 helpful vote

Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. We ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers, as is right, because your faith is growing abundantly, and the love of every one of you for one another is increasing. Therefore we ourselves boast about you in the churches of God for your steadfastness and faith in all your persecutions and in the afflictions that you are enduring. This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering&#8212; ...

Galatians 3:27 ESV / 1 helpful vote

For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

John 10:1-42 ESV / 1 helpful vote

&#8220;Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.&#8221; ...

John 1:1-51 ESV / 1 helpful vote

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. ...

Luke 18:9-14 ESV / 1 helpful vote

He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: &#8220;Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: &#8216;God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.&#8217; But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, &#8216;God, be merciful to me, a sinner!&#8217; ...

Mark 9:31 ESV / 1 helpful vote

For he was teaching his disciples, saying to them, &#8220;The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill him. And when he is killed, after three days he will rise.&#8221;

Mark 8:31 ESV / 1 helpful vote

And he began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes and be killed, and after three days rise again.

2 Kings 1:1-18 ESV / 1 helpful vote

After the death of Ahab, Moab rebelled against Israel. Now Ahaziah fell through the lattice in his upper chamber in Samaria, and lay sick; so he sent messengers, telling them, &#8220;Go, inquire of Baal-zebub, the god of Ekron, whether I shall recover from this sickness.&#8221; But the angel of the Lord said to Elijah the Tishbite, &#8220;Arise, go up to meet the messengers of the king of Samaria, and say to them, &#8216;Is it because there is no God in Israel that you are going to inquire of Baal-zebub, the god of Ekron? Now therefore thus says the Lord, You shall not come down from the bed to which you have gone up, but you shall surely die.&#8217;&#8221; So Elijah went. The messengers returned to the king, and he said to them, &#8220;Why have you returned?&#8221; ...



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he's speaking from a spiritual aspect ... Of course no blood is involved ...
instead the spirit cuts off the source of the Fleshes PLEASURE sources "all things feeding the flesh" .... Causing a circumcision of the flesh man nature .... no blood involved that you can see no! this is done inwardly not outwardly ...
the flesh man then becomes a "dead" but living sacrifice to the spirit man .... Who knows no death ... a transformation taking place .... Spirit overriding flesh ...
OH.... Cuts off all sources of the flesh's pleasure.... no pleasure in eating, drinking, affection, sex.... ohhhhh... suddenly Jon being a eunuch becomes... better to understand.:rolleyes:
 

zone

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I never said anything about the time we're supposed to live. We were created to be eternal, not temporary.
I see that it would be edifying to post this thread about the dead/holy flesh of God, and it's true that God proved His flesh has always been dead by dying for us while never committing a sin (actions, attitudes, thoughts, and words responsible for evil). I will prove that God came to this earth in dead flesh (I hope after these scriptures you will understand what I mean by dead flesh, and how we can all have dead flesh, which is an exceeding great gift).


explain this blah blah please.

so far you haven't proven:

- The Eternal God existed in flesh ['dead' or alive] prior to the Incarnation.
- God's flesh has always been dead
- that God came to this earth in dead flesh

dead flesh is PUTRID MEAT [which God said is UNCLEAN]

what's the implication ^^ of what you are claiming jon4?





i hope there's no one else on your mystery tour with you.
Mark was right - you need a proper church jon4.