Holy Flesh Is Surely Possible
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Dealing with the flesh biblically
The stronghold of tje flesh needs to be broken
The process of brokeness : breaking our fleshly
Fruitless frustrating attempts to
Meet our needs apart from
god .
How do we try to protect the flesh from being broken?
Quiet withdraw passive
Beliefs about others
Anger tantrums attacks meanness
Defensiveness
Distrust
Vagueness
How do we seek to nourish the flesh without god?
Human respect and value
Human love
Adrenaline/ pleasure
Two lies involve victory over the flesh
You have flesh, you are not flesh
The temptation of the flesh promises life but gives death
Deeds of The flesh
Defined --
Immorality- sexual relations with someone
Other than ones spouse an unmarried person
Impurity - akatjarsia includes not only the act of sex but also the thoughts and intentions of the
Mind
Sensuality - Aslegeia The bad man usually tries to hide his sin, But the
Man with sensuality in his
Soil does not care how
Much he shocks The public with it .... Outbursts of anger
Disputes strife and things like these
The stronghold of tje flesh needs to be broken
The process of brokeness : breaking our fleshly
Fruitless frustrating attempts to
Meet our needs apart from
god .
How do we try to protect the flesh from being broken?
Quiet withdraw passive
Beliefs about others
Anger tantrums attacks meanness
Defensiveness
Distrust
Vagueness
How do we seek to nourish the flesh without god?
Human respect and value
Human love
Adrenaline/ pleasure
Two lies involve victory over the flesh
You have flesh, you are not flesh
The temptation of the flesh promises life but gives death
Deeds of The flesh
Defined --
Immorality- sexual relations with someone
Other than ones spouse an unmarried person
Impurity - akatjarsia includes not only the act of sex but also the thoughts and intentions of the
Mind
Sensuality - Aslegeia The bad man usually tries to hide his sin, But the
Man with sensuality in his
Soil does not care how
Much he shocks The public with it .... Outbursts of anger
Disputes strife and things like these
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Thank you zone 
n I will be certain to check in on that ... we are all gathering information innHods
Word while comparing it to
gods truth .... I read it
Just
Like it is
In the bible and if I'm not seeing something i have confidence god will reveal it .... We all want to deepen our personal relationships with God .. No two are The same .. I appreciate your shared views as I might
Miss something had I not at
Least be open to read and view them... God receives
Us with our questions With open arms ... never scolding ... He states his word and leaves it up to is to believer not believe Hom
.... As always and with everything ... Compare all of everything to Gods word ... he's god And will bring the truth if we ask him.....
Thanks for the discussion everyone .. Sometimes they can get a little heated with emotions out of our love for
God ...I take no
Offense to any of that , as I use to be the very same way. Lol...passionate! makes for
Lively invigorating discussion .... I think it's important to remeber not to let relationships break down because of it .we are all at different areas of our relationship with God. ... Some of you are ahead of me .. And some of you are way ahead of me but I find comfort knowing , no one is ahead of God ...
You guys are great ..and I'm glad we have these forums and each other to
Come
Night everyone
Michelle
n I will be certain to check in on that ... we are all gathering information innHodsWord while comparing it to
gods truth .... I read it
Just
Like it is
In the bible and if I'm not seeing something i have confidence god will reveal it .... We all want to deepen our personal relationships with God .. No two are The same .. I appreciate your shared views as I might
Miss something had I not at
Least be open to read and view them... God receives
Us with our questions With open arms ... never scolding ... He states his word and leaves it up to is to believer not believe Hom
.... As always and with everything ... Compare all of everything to Gods word ... he's god And will bring the truth if we ask him.....
Thanks for the discussion everyone .. Sometimes they can get a little heated with emotions out of our love for
God ...I take no
Offense to any of that , as I use to be the very same way. Lol...passionate! makes for
Lively invigorating discussion .... I think it's important to remeber not to let relationships break down because of it .we are all at different areas of our relationship with God. ... Some of you are ahead of me .. And some of you are way ahead of me
but I find comfort knowing , no one is ahead of God ...You guys are great ..and I'm glad we have these forums and each other to
Come
Night everyone
Michelle
Barlygirl, I was hoping for the best but I kind of figured that he was not talking about celibacy.
Then what does one do with Paul talking our bodies being in the manner as Jesus glorified body,and the first word out of Mary's mouth when she saw Him was Sir,(she saw Him as being male)?
The proof text that is most often used is this
Matthew 30
30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
but within the context of the passage which is
23 That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 24 “Teacher,” they said, “Moses told us that if a man dies without having children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up offspring for him. 25 Now there were seven brothers among us. The first one married and died, and since he had no children, he left his wife to his brother. 26 The same thing happened to the second and third brother, right on down to the seventh. 27 Finally, the woman died. 28 Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?”
29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 31 But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”
The Sadducees were trying to trick Him,because they didn't believe in the resurrection to begin with. All He says is that the angels do not marry. The answer is to the question of whose wife she will be. To make it say that we won't have gender takes it way to far.
Then what does one do with Paul talking our bodies being in the manner as Jesus glorified body,and the first word out of Mary's mouth when she saw Him was Sir,(she saw Him as being male)?
The proof text that is most often used is this
Matthew 30
30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
but within the context of the passage which is
23 That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 24 “Teacher,” they said, “Moses told us that if a man dies without having children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up offspring for him. 25 Now there were seven brothers among us. The first one married and died, and since he had no children, he left his wife to his brother. 26 The same thing happened to the second and third brother, right on down to the seventh. 27 Finally, the woman died. 28 Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?”
29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 31 But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”
The Sadducees were trying to trick Him,because they didn't believe in the resurrection to begin with. All He says is that the angels do not marry. The answer is to the question of whose wife she will be. To make it say that we won't have gender takes it way to far.
Jesus doesn't say that at all. There are few that are not to be married and only those to whom it has been given. And for men that are married to be castrated after being married is in contradiction what Paul plainly wrote a husbands body does not belong to him but belongs to his wife,she has every right to the physical aspects of being married. To castrate oneself after being married takes away something that right fully belongs to another.
And in that Jesus is also addressing another unasked question. Eunuchs under the Mosaic law were considered cerimonially unclean. How hard would it have been for them to come to the conclusion that eunuchs would not enter into the kingdom of heaven because of this defect? Eunuchs are suppose to be rare,but some will enter into the kingdom of heaven,but marriage is to be the norm for most people.
And in that Jesus is also addressing another unasked question. Eunuchs under the Mosaic law were considered cerimonially unclean. How hard would it have been for them to come to the conclusion that eunuchs would not enter into the kingdom of heaven because of this defect? Eunuchs are suppose to be rare,but some will enter into the kingdom of heaven,but marriage is to be the norm for most people.
I don't understand the question, and am not sure if you're talking according to the flesh perspective or the spirit?
Concerning slaves and being free:
1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
1Co 7:20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
1Co 7:21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.
1Co 7:22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
1Co 7:24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.
Concerning slaves and being free:
1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
1Co 7:20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
1Co 7:21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.
1Co 7:22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
1Co 7:24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.
First, Jesus can be tempted by the devil, and not be tempted at the same time? Jesus was tempted because satan was allowed to do the actions, attitudes, thoughts, and words responsible for the act of tempting. Jesus was tempted in this way, but never tempted to be tempted. Jesus is God, and God cannot be tempted with evil. I'm going to address the other in a general post.
What makes a person male? Is it a penis? What about someone castrated? Are they still male? If you see someone that looks masculine, would you not call them sir or man? Have you ever called someone sir and they were a mam?
I'm not saying masculine and feminine don't exist in heaven, I'm saying that in Heaven you have to put on the flesh if you want a penis or a vagina. Women can be circumcised as well, but they have no penis. We are the body of Christ, and Christ is a eunuch. The body of Christ is not male and female both at the same time. We are one body, we are members of that body. Think of it more like right and left brain dominant as a type of example of masculine and feminine (male and female in heaven). It has nothing to do with fleshly body parts.
I don't even know what you mean by male and female? Do you mean masculine and feminine? Or are you talking about body parts of the body of Christ?
I'm not saying masculine and feminine don't exist in heaven, I'm saying that in Heaven you have to put on the flesh if you want a penis or a vagina. Women can be circumcised as well, but they have no penis. We are the body of Christ, and Christ is a eunuch. The body of Christ is not male and female both at the same time. We are one body, we are members of that body. Think of it more like right and left brain dominant as a type of example of masculine and feminine (male and female in heaven). It has nothing to do with fleshly body parts.
I don't even know what you mean by male and female? Do you mean masculine and feminine? Or are you talking about body parts of the body of Christ?
Masculine and feminine do exist, but I'm wondering if your definition of male and female is from the perspective of the flesh? When a person sees someone masculine, do they not call them sir or man?
I'm ignoring no scriptures. God made man in His image, yes, and this is the best way I can explain it. Notice the Right Hand of The Father (Holy flesh/earthen vessel).
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I don't understand how you could be thinking I'm talking about cutting off something attached to my flesh (men cuttin off their penis). This has nothing to do with being castrated. Even a woman can be a eunuch, and they don't have anything to cut off according to the flesh, but yet they have a heart which can be circumcised.
Here is the commandment by Christ to all who can recieve it, but remember, all things are possible with God, and so we can all recieve it. There is no contradiction, and most believe what they want to believe, disregarding the obvious.
Mat_19:12
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from theirmother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receiveit .
2Co 10:2 But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.
2Co 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Co 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
2Co 10:7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.
Here is the commandment by Christ to all who can recieve it, but remember, all things are possible with God, and so we can all recieve it. There is no contradiction, and most believe what they want to believe, disregarding the obvious.
Mat_19:12
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from theirmother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receiveit .
2Co 10:2 But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.
2Co 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Co 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
2Co 10:7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.
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"Holy Flesh Is Surely Possible"
The next thing to be said is probably something like the flesh is not evil. If its not assumed already in that "possibility".
More people ought to have smelled the rat...
The next thing to be said is probably something like the flesh is not evil. If its not assumed already in that "possibility".
More people ought to have smelled the rat...
What kind of flesh are you talking about being evil?
1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Barlygirl, I was hoping for the best but I kind of figured that he was not talking about celibacy.
Then what does one do with Paul talking our bodies being in the manner as Jesus glorified body,and the first word out of Mary's mouth when she saw Him was Sir,(she saw Him as being male)?
The proof text that is most often used is this
Matthew 30
30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
but within the context of the passage which is
23 That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 24
Then what does one do with Paul talking our bodies being in the manner as Jesus glorified body,and the first word out of Mary's mouth when she saw Him was Sir,(she saw Him as being male)?
The proof text that is most often used is this
Matthew 30
30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
but within the context of the passage which is
23 That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 24
Barlygirl, I was hoping for the best but I kind of figured that he was not talking about celibacy.
Then what does one do with Paul talking our bodies being in the manner as Jesus glorified body,and the first word out of Mary's mouth when she saw Him was Sir,(she saw Him as being male)?
The proof text that is most often used is this
Matthew 30
30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
but within the context of the passage which is
23 That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 24
Then what does one do with Paul talking our bodies being in the manner as Jesus glorified body,and the first word out of Mary's mouth when she saw Him was Sir,(she saw Him as being male)?
The proof text that is most often used is this
Matthew 30
30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
but within the context of the passage which is
23 That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 24
Angels are ministering spirits Heb1:14
Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord
2Cor 5:6
We are confident I say and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
Verse 8
Perhaps this will help to clear things up about what flesh came from Heaven.
Joh 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
Joh 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Joh 6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Joh 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
Joh 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
Joh 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Joh 6:48 I am that bread of life.
Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever:
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Joh 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us flesh to eat? Joh 6:53
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Joh 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:55
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Joh 6:56
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Joh 6:57
As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Joh 6:58
This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
Joh 6:59
These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
Joh 6:60
Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this,his said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
Joh 6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
Joh 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
After all of that, I must say that I do not like the new updated version of this site, it's very glitchy. It changed the colors of the text when it shouldn't have, so I just left it that way.
Joh 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
Joh 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Joh 6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Joh 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
Joh 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
Joh 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Joh 6:48 I am that bread of life.
Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever:
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Joh 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us flesh to eat? Joh 6:53
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Joh 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:55
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Joh 6:56
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Joh 6:57
As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Joh 6:58
This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
Joh 6:59
These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
Joh 6:60
Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this,his said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
Joh 6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
Joh 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
After all of that, I must say that I do not like the new updated version of this site, it's very glitchy. It changed the colors of the text when it shouldn't have, so I just left it that way.