Homosexuality isn't sin
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Wow...if this is the people there are on this site, I have to excuse myself from this crap...yes I said CRAP....so be it....God has the final say...and it won't be good for the homosexuals, I promiise you THAT...I pass that not as judgement but as warning...only God will prove the point, and has said so in the bible what his opinion on the saubject is....and yes, he has FULLLY said his opinion.... In the end of times, as in the time of Noah before the Flood, people will do what's right in their own eyes...and this is a PRIME example. I'm gonna pray for you as we speak...WOW...
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It's the same "love" that makes people murder someone they can't have, the same "love" that makes a man shoot himself and his family so they can all be at peace together, the same "love" that causes people to kidnap, or rape, or stalk. These people truly believe they are in love, but that is not what love is. The Bible is very clear about what is love, and what is not love. And homosexual acts are not love, they are a perversion of what God wants for us...as is adultery of any form, and fornication.
Mahogony, how can abstaining from acts of love be loving God? God says that whatever we do to our fellow brothers and sisters is doing the same for him (Matthew 25:37-40). The Scriptures say that there is neither male nor female in Christ. And, yes, I am Christ's bride and would certainly love him as my husband. 
Wouldn't you? At any rate, before I answer anything else of yours, Mahogony, I'd like for you to answer my underlined questions within their context:
1. What is this moral code apart from the old law and the Law of Love that does not allow for one man to pursue a relationship with another?
2. Why do you say eating pork is trivial and then say homosexuality is serious? God sent Israel into captivity until their land had made up for all of the 70 Sabbath Years of rest they had neglected to observe (2 Chronicles 36:20-21). He killed two of Aaron's sons for not offering the right kind of fire before him (Numbers 3:4). He ordered the execution of another man who didn't observe the Sabbath day of rest (Numbers 15:32-36). Were these his other trivial laws?
3. How can you pick and choose what laws of God's were important? James 2:10 says that if you break one part of the law then you have broken the whole law. This wasn't saying that if you break one part of the law then you have murdered someone. It was saying that one law is as good as the next because they are all God's law (keep in mind that he only lists the Ten Commandments but the prohibition against homosexual acts was not in the Ten Commandments). Who should I believe? Your arbitrary definition of moral right and wrong which has no basis in either of God's covenants? Or God?
I don't know. It seems like whatever God said was a law was pretty serious for the time and should've been obeyed. But thank goodness we are free from that old system and have been shown that the Law of Love is what counts!
Well, here we go again. If it offends the children or creates an instable home environment and hurts people, then what should we do? Observe the Law of Love! See? It's all about love. But what do you say to those homosexual partners who have a stable home environment and who raise children up to follow Christ's command to love God and one another? In case you've forgotten, please keep in mind Matthew 25:37-40.
Then you better strip naked and join a nudist colony, because God didn't create us with Abercrombie & Fitch. The Spirit does not lead me into the reasoning you have espoused, my brother.
In the end result I really don't see why we can't just live and let live. Love one another and permit others to love each other. Can you? Otherwise we're going to have to go back to that old system of laws. And that's not Scriptural, is it? So, while I love you all, I believe you are a bit misguided on this subject.
Wouldn't you? At any rate, before I answer anything else of yours, Mahogony, I'd like for you to answer my underlined questions within their context:1. What is this moral code apart from the old law and the Law of Love that does not allow for one man to pursue a relationship with another?
2. Why do you say eating pork is trivial and then say homosexuality is serious? God sent Israel into captivity until their land had made up for all of the 70 Sabbath Years of rest they had neglected to observe (2 Chronicles 36:20-21). He killed two of Aaron's sons for not offering the right kind of fire before him (Numbers 3:4). He ordered the execution of another man who didn't observe the Sabbath day of rest (Numbers 15:32-36). Were these his other trivial laws?
3. How can you pick and choose what laws of God's were important? James 2:10 says that if you break one part of the law then you have broken the whole law. This wasn't saying that if you break one part of the law then you have murdered someone. It was saying that one law is as good as the next because they are all God's law (keep in mind that he only lists the Ten Commandments but the prohibition against homosexual acts was not in the Ten Commandments). Who should I believe? Your arbitrary definition of moral right and wrong which has no basis in either of God's covenants? Or God?
I don't know. It seems like whatever God said was a law was pretty serious for the time and should've been obeyed. But thank goodness we are free from that old system and have been shown that the Law of Love is what counts!
Well, here we go again. If it offends the children or creates an instable home environment and hurts people, then what should we do? Observe the Law of Love! See? It's all about love. But what do you say to those homosexual partners who have a stable home environment and who raise children up to follow Christ's command to love God and one another? In case you've forgotten, please keep in mind Matthew 25:37-40.
Then you better strip naked and join a nudist colony, because God didn't create us with Abercrombie & Fitch.
The Spirit does not lead me into the reasoning you have espoused, my brother.In the end result I really don't see why we can't just live and let live. Love one another and permit others to love each other. Can you? Otherwise we're going to have to go back to that old system of laws. And that's not Scriptural, is it? So, while I love you all, I believe you are a bit misguided on this subject.
Woah, woah. Harley_Angel, your biases on what love is and what it is not is not found in the Bible. These men truly love one another. Why? Because they are born that way. Just because you say it is wrong does not mean it is. The Spirit has already shown us what love is. And since I am a Christian I have faith that I am moved by the Spirit to accept its guidance. But perhaps you think it is wrong, so maybe you should abstain from it.
But perhaps you think it is wrong, so maybe you should abstain from it.
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I had originally intended on correcting one poster, but now it seems the need to correct two. If you've read my last posts, you would read about the Holy Spirit, and referring back to those may also help you to understand, as well as Ashton. First off, you say God does not hate the homosexual, but hates the sin. Need I remind you, does God throw the sinner into the Lake of Fire, or the sin? In Romans 9:10-16, Paul refers to Jacob and Esua:
Further more, you say that the Christian is still bound by the Mosaic Law, but scripture doesn't say that. In fact, allow me to post 2 Corinthians 3, the entire chapter (it's short) to prove a point:
Just a few side notes on this chapter which I'm pulling from the Ryrie Study Bible which may help you to further understand: The ministry of death refers to the Law, more particularly the Ten Commandments, which were "engraved on stones" (Deuteronomy 9:10), and this Law "fades away," as shown in verse 11. When Moses descended from Mount Sinai with the Law, his face shone so that the people were afraid to approach him. Moses stood before God with unveiled face (compare Exodus 34:29-35 with 2 Corinthians 3:10-18). Christ fulfilled the entire Law.
Being born again is a supernatural work of the Holy Spirit, of God working in and through you. If you are born again, and the Holy Spirit is in you, then by your new nature, you won't live a life full of carnality, therefore, the Law is no longer your slave master, which it once was, that was intended to bring you to Christ.
Further more, you say that the Christian is still bound by the Mosaic Law, but scripture doesn't say that. In fact, allow me to post 2 Corinthians 3, the entire chapter (it's short) to prove a point:
Just a few side notes on this chapter which I'm pulling from the Ryrie Study Bible which may help you to further understand: The ministry of death refers to the Law, more particularly the Ten Commandments, which were "engraved on stones" (Deuteronomy 9:10), and this Law "fades away," as shown in verse 11. When Moses descended from Mount Sinai with the Law, his face shone so that the people were afraid to approach him. Moses stood before God with unveiled face (compare Exodus 34:29-35 with 2 Corinthians 3:10-18). Christ fulfilled the entire Law.
Being born again is a supernatural work of the Holy Spirit, of God working in and through you. If you are born again, and the Holy Spirit is in you, then by your new nature, you won't live a life full of carnality, therefore, the Law is no longer your slave master, which it once was, that was intended to bring you to Christ.
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- Eros, which is sexual or romantic love.
- Phileo, which is a brotherly love toward someone we really like.
- Agape, which is the deepest love, which is based on doing good things for another person.
Let us also be reminded of the definition of love given by the bible:
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices in the truth. The Truth is, from scripture, which is given o you several times before hand, that homosexuality is wrong. If you are delighting in the wrong, you are not truly loving someone.
I'm not bias on what is love and what isn't. I have scripture that says, love does not delight in wrong, but in truth, and I have scripture that says homosexuality is evil. These are not my opinions, these are facts. Remember, the holy spirit will not guide you in things that are not scripturally sound...so perhaps you are being led by something else?
I'm curious if the Scriptures list both phileo and agape. Do they, Harley? I'll take your word that eros is not mentioned in the Scriptures though.
I'm sorry that you think this is wrong, Harley. Mahogony, himself, has clearly shown us that at least some of the laws in the old testament aren't applicable for us today. What makes you think that homosexuality is a sin? I've already addressed every passage people have offered that might imply that. One translation reads 'homosexual offenders' in which case not all homosexuals are offensive. Another translation of the same passage reads 'homosexuals' which then implies all homosexuals are going to hell even if they believe the Gospel message. And that contradicts the Bible, my friend. So it is clearly homosexual offenders.
Oooh. You must be referring to Old Testament Scripture. Rest assured though that is not applicable for the Christian any more. You don't need to condemn people any more, Harley. You should live as we all are to live - by Christ's love. I'd like to ask you two questions and I'll have to refrain from answering any more of your questions unless you answer mine:
1. Christ has fulfilled all of these old testament laws just like not eating shellfish, right?
2. What makes the old law against homosexual acts any more moral than not eating shellfish? And before you answer I'd like you to consider that God's ways are not our ways. We pick and choose our morals based on cultural taboos. But God has given us his Law of Love to live by and all of these have been done away with, including this trivial point about homosexuality.
I'm sorry that you think this is wrong, Harley. Mahogony, himself, has clearly shown us that at least some of the laws in the old testament aren't applicable for us today. What makes you think that homosexuality is a sin? I've already addressed every passage people have offered that might imply that. One translation reads 'homosexual offenders' in which case not all homosexuals are offensive. Another translation of the same passage reads 'homosexuals' which then implies all homosexuals are going to hell even if they believe the Gospel message. And that contradicts the Bible, my friend. So it is clearly homosexual offenders.
Oooh. You must be referring to Old Testament Scripture. Rest assured though that is not applicable for the Christian any more. You don't need to condemn people any more, Harley. You should live as we all are to live - by Christ's love. I'd like to ask you two questions and I'll have to refrain from answering any more of your questions unless you answer mine:
1. Christ has fulfilled all of these old testament laws just like not eating shellfish, right?
2. What makes the old law against homosexual acts any more moral than not eating shellfish? And before you answer I'd like you to consider that God's ways are not our ways. We pick and choose our morals based on cultural taboos. But God has given us his Law of Love to live by and all of these have been done away with, including this trivial point about homosexuality.
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I am afraid that you misunderstood my comments. God does not hate any man but He refuses to reward the unrepentant sinner. If a homosexual repents and confesses his/her sin, is God's grace extended to them? Does not Christ's blood cover their sin as well? Re read my comment on 1 Corinthians; "1 Corinthians 6:9 condemns the unrepentant sinners. This is God's standard of judgement fo all. Only the one who fails to recognize and repent of his sin is condemned."
I said that the Christians and all men are bound by the Mosaic law as a foundation for morality. All of the laws of man(at least in the U.S.) are based on the Mosaic Laws.
If you as a believer, violate one of them as a sin, your sins have been forgiven by Christ. That does not mean that they are not foundational truths by which we are to live our daily lives.
In Christ
John
I said that the Christians and all men are bound by the Mosaic law as a foundation for morality. All of the laws of man(at least in the U.S.) are based on the Mosaic Laws.
If you as a believer, violate one of them as a sin, your sins have been forgiven by Christ. That does not mean that they are not foundational truths by which we are to live our daily lives.
In Christ
John
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