How Old Is The Earth?

[eternally-gratefull]

That still doesn't answer why Isaiah said it WAS NOT CREATED tohu.... note NOT CREATED tohu..... but if you take Genesis to be the creation of earth.... the exact words are "Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void" .......... so if it's created NOT tohu, how come AFTER its creation... it is void (tohu) Contradiction.... isaiah says it was created NOT tohu, Genesis says AFTER its creation it was tohu....

genesis 1: 1 just states a fact. In the beginning (arche- the beginning of beginnings) God created the heavens and the earth.

Genesis 1: 2 starts at the beginning to show how he created them.

we see it all the time.

I built this, followed by this is how I built it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And then we have :
Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and lo, it was without form (tohu), and void(bohu); and the heavens, and they had no light.
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, and lo, there was no man, and all the fowls of the heavens had fled.
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all its cities were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Jer 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be(haya) desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

this sounds like the flood to me. he promised not to make a full end. The rainbow is our sign

 

[oldhermit]

ok you just made me look. I am sure you will be taken to daniel ten, where the king of media stopped the angel of God for 21 days. (at least this is what was used by the gap theorist form what I remember) But two different hebrew words were used. The one in daniel can be an angelic being. The one in ezekial is just a leader. I still think it might be both, as tintin said, just to many thing no man could or has done.. But youhave me thinking, which is a good thing

There is so much we are not told in the story of Daniel 10. We are not told exactly the role this unnamed angel played in the war with Persia nor are we told the nature of the help that came from Michael (and although the text does not explicitly say it, I believe this to be referring to Michael the Ark angel). We are also not told what is going on in the unseen world in connection with this event between the spiritual forces on both sides. The messenger who addresses Daniel said he was withstood for 21 days by the Prince of the kingdom of Persia. I take this to mean the either the literal son of the king of Persia or the king himself, but it also refers to Michael as the chief prince. Sometimes, the problem is in the use of the word angel itself. Just as in Greek, the Hebrew word for angle simply means messenger. Sometimes this word is used to speak of a human messenger and other times it is used to speak of heavenly being and sometimes it is not clear in the text which one it is.

 

[ji]

When they reach hell, hmmm?

Have you ever read Matthew 7 perchance?

how did i miss you ?lol...

And this is also for a comment above this for which i am replying with which you falsely accuse...

Do you Pray for the lost especially those in cults?
am not a condemnation preacher nor do i promote child sacrifice for satan..both are not good.
i think you get the point..i didn't judge,God(Jesus) is the one who will judge..we can convict a person while there is still Hope.

 

[ji]

[video=youtube;S2InalJfkEo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2InalJfkEo&feature=youtu.be[/video]

you got a lot to learn and much to know about the Power of God...
i used to believe in millions/billions years old theory until one day i humbled on my knees and was made aware by God the lies i believed..that the earth is millions/billions years old.
That video you posted is a waste of time and i can refute you line by line on it..

 

[Reee]

God is very clear in revealing who he is addressing this language to. 12“Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre and say to him..." This is further established in the closing remark of verse 16, "Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms."

The word translated as MAN here is iysh.... it is also used here: Dan 10:5 then I lifted up my eyes and looked: And behold! A certain man was clothed in linen, whose loins were wrapped in fine gold from Uphaz. Dan 10:6 His body was also like the beryl, and his face looked like lightning. And his eyes were like torches of fire; and his arms and his feet in color like polished bronze; and the sound of his words were as the noise of a multitude..... the word iysh does not necessarily denote a human man.... the word adam is what specifically applies to human males....

 

[ji]

It has just as much if not more biblical merit then young earth, you just refuse to accept the biblical arguments and evidences old-earthers put forward without consideration IMO. Do you have stock in the Creation Museum or something? Ken Ham has a lot to lose if YECism is wrong. And to say that OEC weakens Christianity is only opinion, unless you back it up with proof. Do you have any proof, I'd like to see it.

What makes you think earth is once upon a time and far far away when Holy Bible is clear about Creation of everything in 6 days(there are verses that point to it)? and also clear about the age of Adam(there are verses that point to it)?
What lacks from God to weaken your Faith in Him?

 

[oldhermit]

The word translated as MAN here is iysh.... it is also used here: Dan 10:5 then I lifted up my eyes and looked: And behold! A certain man was clothed in linen, whose loins were wrapped in fine gold from Uphaz. Dan 10:6 His body was also like the beryl, and his face looked like lightning. And his eyes were like torches of fire; and his arms and his feet in color like polished bronze; and the sound of his words were as the noise of a multitude..... the word iysh does not necessarily denote a human man.... the word adam is what specifically applies to human males....

Yes, but the antecedent of man in Isaiah 14:16 is the king of Babylon in verse 4.

 

[oldhermit]

The word translated as MAN here is iysh.... it is also used here: Dan 10:5 then I lifted up my eyes and looked: And behold! A certain man was clothed in linen, whose loins were wrapped in fine gold from Uphaz. Dan 10:6 His body was also like the beryl, and his face looked like lightning. And his eyes were like torches of fire; and his arms and his feet in color like polished bronze; and the sound of his words were as the noise of a multitude..... the word iysh does not necessarily denote a human man.... the word adam is what specifically applies to human males....

I think there is some confusion here and it is my fault. I inadvertently mixed two texts together. It should have read 4“Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Babylon and say..." This is further established in the closing remark of verse 16, "Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms."

 

[Reee]

genesis 1: 1 just states a fact. In the beginning (arche- the beginning of beginnings) God created the heavens and the earth.

Genesis 1: 2 starts at the beginning to show how he created them.

we see it all the time.

I built this, followed by this is how I built it.

Yes... but we also see: I built this and it became that..... the word hayah is Qal perfect which indicate a completed process not a state of being... the word "was" is a state of being and would be indicated by the imperfect tense in the qal form - which is not the case here...... also bohu is only used in 2 other places and both times it is used with tohu and comes after God has delivered judgement

 

[Reee]

What makes you think earth is once upon a time and far far away when Holy Bible is clear about Creation of everything in 6 days(there are verses that point to it)? and also clear about the age of Adam(there are verses that point to it)?
What lacks from God to weaken your Faith in Him?

Have you read: Genesis 2:4 , where the prophets states, “These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.” Now here, the “literal” interpretation would be that God did it ALL in “the day”, not “six days”.

 

[Reee]

I think there is some confusion here and it is my fault. I inadvertently mixed two texts together. It should have read 4“Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Babylon and say..." This is further established in the closing remark of verse 16, "Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms."

Very confused.... Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Referrs to King of Tyre..... Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; follows on from:Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! ............. in this verse "man" is IYSH not ADAM

 

[Reee]

What makes you think earth is once upon a time and far far away when Holy Bible is clear about Creation of everything in 6 days(there are verses that point to it)? and also clear about the age of Adam(there are verses that point to it)?
What lacks from God to weaken your Faith in Him?

Just to add and clarify as to my beliefs.... I believe God created the universe and everything in it instantly.... I don't think God "needed" any amount of time to create..... the six days were God's restoration of a destroyed earth and a creation of the life we see today. Genesis certainly doesn't mention when God created the angels, but we know He did....just because it isn't in there doesn't imply it didn't happen as we read elsewhere in the bible that God did in fact create angels....

 

[Reee]

this sounds like the flood to me. he promised not to make a full end. The rainbow is our sign

Yes, it does except that it says the heavens had no light..... and the mountains trembled and the hills moved.... in the flood, these would have been under water, surely else the animals and birds would be on the hills and mountains....

 

[oldhermit]

Very confused.... Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Referrs to King of Tyre..... Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; follows on from:Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! ............. in this verse "man" is IYSH not ADAM

Yes but it is still just man. hā·’îš implies a great or might man. This is the nature of him as king over Babylon.

 

[oldhermit]

Have you read: Genesis 2:4, where the prophets states, “These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.” Now here, the “literal” interpretation would be that God did it ALL in “the day”, not “six days”.

All you are doing is pitting one scripture against another. "The day" of 2:4 is defined in the text as the generations - plural. You need to allow scripture to define the use of its own language.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, it does except that it says the heavens had no light..... and the mountains trembled and the hills moved.... in the flood, these would have been under water, surely else the animals and birds would be on the hills and mountains....

1. In the begining of the flood. When the floodgates opened. There would have been no sun.
2. The mountains moved mightily when the continental plates started to move, Causing the great catachlisms which followed.
3. The birds would have scattered.
4. The nations and cities would have been destroyed (The bible says adam was the first man. SO you have to explain how large cities and nations existed before man was created)
5. At some point of time, No men were walking the earth.

As I said, it fits perfectly with the flood.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All you are doing is pitting one scripture against another. "The day" of 2:4 is defined in the text as the generations - plural. You need to allow scripture to define the use of its own language.

yes,

the word can also be translated time, times, age etc..

 

[oldhermit]

Yes... but we also see: I built this and it became that..... the word hayah is Qal perfect which indicate a completed process not a state of being... the word "was" is a state of being and would be indicated by the imperfect tense in the qal form - which is not the case here...... also bohu is only used in 2 other places and both times it is used with tohu and comes after God has delivered judgement

All you are doing is playing games with the language trying to make scripture fit into you concept of reality rather than allowing scripture to formulate your view of reality.

 

[Reee]

The plural is because its heavens and earth not only earth.... If it were only one it would be "this is the generation (history) of the earth.... we wouldn't say this is the generation of the heavens and of the earth.... we say these are hence the plural