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There is no greater revelation then Jesus Christ and what He has done for us. It is always about Him!

God never promised we would walk through live on a flowery bed of ease. We keep our eyes on Him and through faith in Him with His patience we obtain the promises of God in this life.

Ephesians 2:6-7 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.


I never said I was successful at enduring trials etc. But it is no different than the mantra 'it's all Christ not us'... as if it is a new and great revelation...it's baby food.
 
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I agree that all do not experience healing either physically or emotionally even though it is available to us all just like salvation is for all.

Forgive me crossnote if I mis-read your post as I thought you were talking about physical healing.



I hear what you say, but all do not receive physical healing. However the comment you are responding to concerns a conversation between crossnote and i that started because I specifically mentions people being healed of pornography addiction and smoking.
I am hoping crossbote will confirm healing I available for ALL where those things are concerned if the truth of the gospel message is followed
 
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Well said Grandpa!!

I believe God doesn't cause those trials so we could learn. If so..then heaven is going to be not so much fun after all ( I'm being foolish here.. )

I believe God uses the trials of life and all our failures to reveal His love and grace for us. As you say..we can do nothing without Him.

The fruit of His spirit and life in us causes those dead leaves to drop off of us naturally....in the same way s the sap of the life of the vine comes up from the roots and causes those diseased leaves to drop off and be replaced with eventually good fruit.

This is very tricky to try and explain to people. But I know through years of reading your posts that you understand Grace.

The furnace of tribulation causes us to do something. It refines who we are and who we will be. It requires work, dedication and focus. Lots of it.

The hardest time of my whole life was when I was first coming to the Lord. I know He was the One leading me the whole way. He was the One refining me. Burning off and cutting away the things that were detrimental.

Was there hyper grace in this "growing" period, this chastening, this pruning? Yes, absolutely. Is there hyper grace afterward? Yes, there has to be. Otherwise all that work and pruning and refining would go to waste.

Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


How was it possible that I had read the whole bible several times and yet did not know the importance or meaning of Love, Joy and Peace?

Because reading about Love, Joy and Peace doesn't cause you to experience Love, Joy and Peace... You think you have an intellectual understanding of what it means but this is leaning unto your own understanding. Experiencing the Lord Jesus Christ and what He does for us is what the whole bible is trying to lead us toward. But few, it seems, make it. It seems that people would rather talk about what they do and what is required of them.


When you tell people to do impossible things how are they supposed to perform them? There must be a higher reason for telling someone to do something that they can't possibly do. The whole world misses this point. Because it is hidden in clear sight. Veiled by arrogance.

IF people actually tried to do these impossible things they would have to come to some sort of conclusion. They would have to rely on something or someone that was other than theirselves. And this is when the veil of arrogance comes off...

Without me, you can do nothing.... That's a hard one to learn. Can you call yourself a Christian if you don't learn this? I can tell you, even though you don't need me to, that people do....

Can we learn and actually know anything without tribulation and sorrow? Is this given as a gift to drive us closer to the Lord?

It didn't seem like a gift at the time... But I wouldn't give it back for the whole world...
 
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If I asked a professional poker player to have a game of poker with me for a ten pence
stake, he might oblige, but there wouldn’t be any excitement in the game for him, would there? The stake is too small. If the following week he was playing a game in Las Vegas and there was a million dollars on the table, however, he’d be greatly excited then, wouldn’t he? The stakes would have his heart pounding I am sure. It is not possible to do anything that involves high stakes without great excitement surging through the individual’s body, is it?
Many take up sports that have an element of risk or danger in them so they may experience the thrill in doing so. Some jump off bridges from great heights, with ropes securely fastened to their bodies at one end, and to the bridge at the other, with enough slack to send them hurtling hundreds of feet toward the ground below. When the slack is exhausted, they come to a juddering halt, and dangle in the air for a short time, exhilarated by the thrill of the event. So it is fair to say the higher the risk involved in an activity, the greater the excitement it causes in the individual. The higher the stake a person plays for, the more the adrenalin flows.
There is one thing that dwarfs all others when it comes to battling for high stakes and taking the greatest risks, however, and that is when you believe eternal life is at stake. After all, what higher stake could a person play for than eternal life, and what activity could carry more risk than one that could send you to hell? People of faith know more than anyone of excitement being stirred in them, for they are playing for the highest stakes of all − and it isn’t a game! So what does the excitement focus on during this highest of all stakes battle? It must focus on what decides the outcome of it, for therein lies the risk and danger.
Now suppose a young man in his late teens goes to a church service one night and becomes a Christian. He believes God has wiped the slate clean because He has forgiven any sin in his life and is, therefore, spotless in God’s sight because Jesus died for his sins. This young man comes from a loving, secure home. He has hardly drunk, he has never smoked or used bad language, and he has not as yet had a serious girlfriend. Such a person you may think is off to a flying start as a Christian because he doesn’t have what people often consider the “taboo” sins that must cease in order for a person to attain Heaven.
So he sets out on the Christian walk. He is convicted to live his life as a Christian must, for the law has been put on his heart, and he is determined to follow his heart’s desire. The next day he goes out with some friends. They stop in a cafe for something to eat and a scantily clad and attractive young lady walks in. Excitement is stirred in him as she stands close by. The young man immediately has a conscience at his thoughts. Though he previously found women extremely attractive and had improper thoughts concerning them, for the first time, his conscience hurts him. He mustn’t have those kind of thoughts now that he is a Christian.
The following week, he is out again with friends and sees a provocative-looking woman walking down the road. This time the excitement stirred in him is even greater. The improper thoughts, therefore, are much worse than they were on the previous occasion. He dwells on them a little longer than he did the last time. This makes him feel far worse than he did previously. If he wants to be a Christian, those thoughts have to stop.
A few days later he is watching television. A show comes on that he has seen many times before. He is very troubled. Week after week he has seen the woman who hosts the programme and hardly given her a second glance, but now he is looking at her in a different way, one that stirs up a hornet’s nest in his mind.
Over the next few weeks the excitement grows when he thinks of or comes into contact with women. The resulting impure thoughts gradually worsen. He is very concerned. When he first became a Christian he used to ask God once a week to forgive him of any imperfections in his life, but now he asks every other day. At first he had no doubt God immediately forgave him, but now that the sin is getting worse, he is not so confident. How can he be a Christian and have the thoughts he is having?
The excitement women stir in him mounts, it becomes relentless. The impure thoughts magnify tenfold. He finds himself now daily pleading with God to forgive him for the wrong in his mind. He tries his hardest to resist such thoughts, but the harder he tries the worse they get. It is like trying to cut through a swarm of bees with a sword; his efforts come to nothing. He stops socialising with other young people at the church because they wouldn’t want to know him if they understood the real him beneath the skin.
Eventually he finds the excitement that women stir in him is out of control. He goes to church less frequently and spends far less time praying and reading his Bible. He is discouraged, wearied by his failed efforts to resist.
The final straw comes when he hires out a pornographic film. He can’t be a Christian. He tried his hardest, but failed. In the few months since he got saved, he just ended up a worse sinner. The weird thing is before he became a Christian he looked at women and coveted them at times, but thoughts such as the ones he is having now had never consumed his mind. He walks away depressed, convinced he will end up in hell. Even though he is sure God exists and Jesus died on the cross to wipe the slate clean at the point of conversion, he couldn’t be good enough for God. He was too weak and ill disciplined.
Now this young man became a Christian. He was immediately sin conscious we can say. Before God placed the law on the young man’s heart and wrote it on his mind, he committed sin, for improper thoughts and lust break the law of God, but before he became a Christian, he would not have recognised his improper thoughts as sinful. For as we previously saw, it is only when we are conscious of God’s laws that we become conscious of our sin because when we see our shortfall in obedience to those laws, the light is turned on. So the young man earnestly desired the sin to cease, for he had been born again, but his sinful nature, which is basic to all and has been around since the time of Adam, didn’t want to stop sinning. It cannot, friend, for by its definition, it is a nature that desires to break the law of God.
Now why did such fear and excitement overcome the young man where lust was concerned? Because he believed the outcome of this highest-of-all-stakes battle hinged on ceasing his sin, in this case his improper thoughts. He was fully convinced this was the truth. The risk (or danger) of hell centred on that one thing. Now, friend, you simply cannot be in a battle for the highest of all stakes, with, therefore, the greatest of risks attached to it without huge excitement being stirred up in you. That is human nature, and that excitement will inevitably focus on what decides the outcome of the battle. Whenever impure thoughts came to the young man, therefore, great excitement overcame him at the same time. What must be the result? The sinful nature had a field day; he became swamped by lust and believed he was condemned.
You see, friend, there is no faith in fear, and there is no victory unless the truth of the Gospel is followed. If that young man had looked to Jesus and trusted that He died for his sins when improper thoughts came over him, those thoughts would have never posed any great risk or danger, would they? Huge excitement would, therefore, have never overcome him where lust (or coveting) was concerned. There would have been no high stakes battle concerning lust. The problem is the young man did not stand on a justification of faith in Christ, but one of works of the law (ceasing lust), for lust is breaking the law of God. Let us not forget, as well, had the young man looked to Jesus and trusted that He atoned for his sins, rather than trying to be justified before God by works of the law, he could not, and would not have used that as a licence to sin, for he desperately wanted to be free of the sin in his heart. That would not change if he had looked to Christ and stood by faith in Him. He would still have hated the sin and wanted to be free of it, but he would not have let the sin condemn him.
Now we can say the young man would have felt alive before the law came to him because there was no condemnation then, but once it did come, sin (consciousness) sprang to life in him and he died spiritually. The commandment he believed would give him life if he obeyed it, instead brought death (condemnation), for he could not keep it. Sin, through the commandment, slew him, and yet he knew the law itself was holy, just, and good. He (his sin) was the problem, not the good and holy laws of God.
Now, friend, listen to the words of Paul in Romans 7:9-13. He is speaking of a time the law came to him when he came of age to make a commitment to God. This would have been before his conversion to Christianity, therefore:

Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin (consciousness) sprang to life and I died.I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death.For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death.So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful. (NIV)


Amen. Very well written. Just needs more paragraphs. I hope people take the time to read this as it is a major truth and will be a major help as it is an experience we all go through as believers. Blessings James57
 
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I agree that it was well written and described accurately the internal fight with sin when the Christian does not have a revelation of the grace of Christ. Thank God for Jesus and His finished work on our behalf or the Christian life under those circumstances would be horrible!!

When you were describing what the young guy was going through...it made me think of an earlier post that said..Don't see the pink rabbit! I saw the pink rabbit!..lol


Amen. Very well written. Just needs more paragraphs. I hope people take the time to read this as it is a major truth and will be a major help as it is an experience we all go through as believers. Blessings James57
 
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And saying so makes the person who has 10,000 more worthy, Whether you admit it or not.

I am telling you what it sounds like to the normal person.

It is wrong, and it is evil..

your dowing the person who was only given 10.

No one needs to be told 10,000 is more usefull. EVERYONE KNOWS IT. so why puff that person up?

Your making no sense, and actually appear to be speaking against yourself.



The value of money is depending on the need. Some years ago if I was given $10, I'd be set for a while. To be able to buy bread and meat and not having to budget it in because someone gave it to me out of no where would have been a miracle. And such things happend often in my poorer days. My rejoicing is the same now that God has given me the ability to give the $10 and allowed me to know what that means to a person who didn't have a penny to spare.

There is no pride in trying to explain to you this concept. People get very upset about money and things in the Christian community. For lacking is not easy and when we are so lacking we wonder why our brethren who have so much don't help. I was hurt when that reality hit. But it is then I found out only God will help me to BE the very kind of Christian I hoped would have helped me and did not. I can now be the kind of Christian who can give of my blessings to those who lack. We give with an open hand.
We understand the concept of blessed to be a blessing whether for $10 or $10,000. God is not looking at the amount, He is looking at what we do with it and how we look at it. Do we see it as a tool or do we horde it for security?? Money is just as fleeting as youth or electricity. One minute it's there the next it is not. Where is our confidence? Those other things are subject to change., But God is not. His supply never ends and He wants us to be confident in Him for all our needs.


 
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James - Well said!

This self -performance-based mindset in the Christian world is a horrible religion. Living with sin controlling them because of what they were religiously taught and pawned off as " following Jesus ". Living the Christian life is impossible from our will-power and flesh. Every week we are told to stop the sinning...coming to confess all their sins when they are whipped from the pulpit.."come to the altar and get right with God"..so they come and cry about how horrible they have been and promise to do better. It's all about them! This is a horrible religion and has no basis in the finished work of our Lord! It does have the "appearance" of godliness but it denies the power of Christ to operate in our lives by faith in Him alone!

2 Timothy 3:5 (KJV)
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


The performance-based religion is the very one denying our Lord. Grace-based believing says what God says we are now because of the marvelous, finished work of our Lord Jesus.

We began our life in Jesus by hearing the gospel of grace and believing it and we will be perfected in our walk by continuing to hear the gospel of Christ.
Galatians 3:1-3 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
[SUP]2 [/SUP] This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Galatians 5:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Romans 1:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.


I LOVE to hear about grace in the life of Christians and how Jesus is exalted above all things. AMEN Brother Grace777. This is the only way for a believer to have victory. Looking to Jesus, He is the Author and finisher of our faith. We began in grace and that is how we continue.
 
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The amount of times I have seen people walk away from God, because instead of people in the church helping them with a besetting sin they need help with, they were told, your not trusting God, if you were, you would not be struggling with this sin, Have more faith, and he will heal you..

another type of legalism.. You sin because your not trusting,


For me it was - I sinned because I didn't know God loved me and gave me a way out. James57 gave a good description of how a person can't get out of wrong thinking if they are condemned. I tried to find my own way out and dug a deeper hole. I ran from God just like James57 explained. That scenario can be used for any sin.

The church I was in at the time said you have sinned by getting a divorce, we have stopped loving you the same. It was performance based in every aspect. My worth was about how I looked and what I did. The reason I walked away from the church years ago was because divorce was my identity to people not who I was in Jesus. And for a time that was how I saw myself too because that is how I was taught.

But my worth is not in my past sins and in fact the Bible admonishes us to forget those things which are behind and to PRESS ON to those things which are a head. How can we press on if we are under condemnation and guilt? Sin is not bigger than Jesus. Jesus can do all things in our lives. He has given us a new identity and because of Him our sins are forgiven as far as the east is from the west.

Sin does not have dominion over us any more and we have to walk out that truth in our lives.


 
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Yes! There has to be some truth in what Jesus said.." I have come that you might have life and have it more abundantly"

The gospel of Christ is the power for salvation!

Let's set our hearts to hyper-grace mode! The Force is strong there!..lol ( a little bit of Star Wars humor )

We have a good, good Father!

Here is a verse our Lord gave to me that has helped me immensely.

Isaiah 43:18-19 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] "Do not call to mind the former things, Or ponder things of the past.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "Behold, I will do something new, Now it will spring forth; Will you not be aware of it? I will even make a roadway in the wilderness, Rivers in the desert.

For me it was - I sinned because I didn't know God loved me and gave me a way out. James57 gave a good description of how a person can't get out of wrong thinking if they are condemned. I tried to find my own way out and dug a deeper hole. I ran from God just like James57 explained. That scenario can be used for any sin.

The church I was in at the time said you have sinned by getting a divorce, we have stopped loving you the same. It was performance based in every aspect. My worth was about how I looked and what I did. The reason I walked away from the church years ago was because divorce was my identity to people not who I was in Jesus. And for a time that was how I saw myself too because that is how I was taught.

But my worth is not in my past sins and in fact the Bible admonishes us to forget those things which are behind and to PRESS ON to those things which are a head. How can we press on if we are under condemnation and guilt? Sin is not bigger than Jesus. Jesus can do all things in our lives. He has given us a new identity and because of Him our sins are forgiven as far as the east is from the west.

Sin does not have dominion over us any more and we have to walk out that truth in our lives.


 
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I got a picture in my mind when people say it is all christ, nothing we do matters.

A baby cries, is happy, wants something. As a parent you go up, pick them up talk to them, have some interaction, come to a conclusion and go and do the activity with them.

Now it is the combined effort, the parent and child, the interaction. Both need to be there, one is very dependent on the other, but also both have their own desires and will. Ofcourse the child needs to desire something, the parent needs to provide the means and security, but to say it is just the parent and the child is doing nothing misses the dynamic of what relationships are. Without the parent the child would die, but you do not have to say everything is Gods work, the Lord has chosen to call us friends, and friends participate with the Living God, he calls us His sons.

Now if you believe in grace, you also need to accept we have been given much, but not command authority, or privileged superiority over others.

What is also strange is much of the grace camp, also want to overplay the gifts, and underplay simple personal relationships.
 
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the easy fix I was referring to and many spout here is "just know who you are in Christ". Although very true, there is much more to our walk in Christ.
We can know who we are in Christ and start to have the victory over sin in our daily life OR we can try and be strong in ourselves and our will power and do well on and off for many years until we utterly fail. Then we are swallowed up by our previous religious teaching that defined us by our ability. It says 'if you were reeeealllllly a good Christian you would not have done that" Many sincere believers reason out that to be true and lose hope., and have forgotten that they were once cleansed.

Many times repentance (a change of mind) can make all the difference in our life. If you know you are loved and accepted by God you can scale the high walls and mountains. Mount up with wings as eagles., run and not be weary. When we accept the truth it changes us. It softens us to see lost people as sheep without a shepherd. Instead of rotten lousy stinking sinners who should be taken out.

We realize except for the grace of God we could be in that same situation. And just like us those people need a Good Shepherd.
 
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Why is it, that some who were never taught the truth of grace walk away from the faith, believing they could not be good enough for God, while others remain and put on an act each week in church they know they cannot live up to beneath the skin?
Why do people who may well have been brought up in the same church react so differently to wrong teaching/legalism?

THAT is an excellent question James57!!
 
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Baby food.
The meat comes through trials and tribulations not canned formulas...

Hebrews 5:14 KJVS
[14] But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.



Following the law in our trials and tribulations is baby food. Even unsaved people can follow a list of rules and regulations with the will power of the flesh.,so they can be guaranteed by what they do that their hard work will accomplish a close relationship with God and a good life on earth.

Following the law and doing the best you can and thinking God is pleased is being carnally minded. Grace is a spiritually discerned truth that the Holy Spirit gives believers. Heb.11:1 is not for infants and those who are on the milk. It means for us to go through trials trusting in Christs finished work and our resting in that., not ours.

Grace makes no sense to the carnal mind because if you don't do you don't get. Grace..as it has been defined over and over in this thread is a gift., bought and paid for. I suggest heartily that we all use it as believers here. God has provided it to apply in all that we think or do. Grace TEACHES US. Not the law, not human reason or human effort. To rest in ourselves is a false gospel.
 
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I understand what you are saying PeterJens about the getting the picture when we say it is all Christ that it means we do nothing. That is a very common mis-understanding and it is completely legitimate to have that picture. If it didn't come....quite frankly I would be worried...lol

It is like when I first heard " There is no condemnation for those in Christ"..I had the picture in my mind " What..are you saying we can just go out and do whatever we want?...that's crazy talk! My mind at first totally rebelled against it .. my head was saying NO, that cannot be true!..but when I quieted down my head and asked God to show me His truth...I started to "see" it in my spirit. I prayed in the Spirit a lot and still do constantly today. My pre-conceived picture along with what I was taught in the past was interfering with my receiver...if you catch my drift here. Thank God for His mercy to me.


I agree with you that there has been much over emphasis on the gifts ( we need all the gifts in manifestations ) and on special "anointings"...come get your double portion..etc.

I maintain that the revelation of the gospel of the grace of Christ releases the love of God in us to effect real changes in relationships. Real love motivated from our hearts that flows from the life of Christ in us.

The number one thing it did for me though was to absolutely fall in love with Jesus and our Father. To see the beauty of our Lord. To see His great love for us. Seeing this great love releases His love out of me towards others!

If you ever take the time to listen to Joseph Prince - you would see how in every scripture he talks about Jesus, reveals His beauty and what He has done for us.

If a teaching makes me depend totally on Christ and what He has done....and produces the fruit of goodness and purity....and if I fall deeper in love with Him and from His love in me flowing out in compassion for others... if this is the result of a teaching.. I want it!!!!!

I got a picture in my mind when people say it is all christ, nothing we do matters.

A baby cries, is happy, wants something. As a parent you go up, pick them up talk to them, have some interaction, come to a conclusion and go and do the activity with them.

Now it is the combined effort, the parent and child, the interaction. Both need to be there, one is very dependent on the other, but also both have their own desires and will. Ofcourse the child needs to desire something, the parent needs to provide the means and security, but to say it is just the parent and the child is doing nothing misses the dynamic of what relationships are. Without the parent the child would die, but you do not have to say everything is Gods work, the Lord has chosen to call us friends, and friends participate with the Living God, he calls us His sons.

Now if you believe in grace, you also need to accept we have been given much, but not command authority, or privileged superiority over others.

What is also strange is much of the grace camp, also want to overplay the gifts, and underplay simple personal relationships.
 
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The word of God says that everyone that came to Jesus was healed! We cannot base our life on our experience when it contradicts the scriptures.

No where do you see Jesus saying.."Nope..not going to heal you because you have more to learn ...Nope...you have too much sin in your life....no....you have a generational curse and until you repent you will be sick....No..can't do it...the Father in His sovereignty doesn't want you healthy as He has stuff for you to learn so you stay sick. " This is all religious garbage! It does not reflect the nature of our loving Father.

The Lord does not cause sickness. Why we all don't get healed is between us and our Lord. We can learn a tremendous amount about our Lord in the midst of it

This does not negate the truth that it is God's will for us the be healed. We cannot judge the truth of God's word by our experience!

If we did that then we would say because all people did not receive Christ..that means He doesn't want them saved..which of course is pure baloney

Acts 10:38 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.


Those are very good points to ponder Brother. Very much appreciated.
 
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Well said!

As for those rotten lousy stinking sinners....whatever you do..do not look into their eyes when talking with them..they will take your salt away....

this is very serious..watch this before dealing with any sinners..

https://vimeo.com/91637264


We can know who we are in Christ and start to have the victory over sin in our daily life OR we can try and be strong in ourselves and our will power and do well on and off for many years until we utterly fail. Then we are swallowed up by our previous religious teaching that defined us by our ability. It says 'if you were reeeealllllly a good Christian you would not have done that" Many sincere believers reason out that to be true and lose hope., and have forgotten that they were once cleansed.

Many times repentance (a change of mind) can make all the difference in our life. If you know you are loved and accepted by God you can scale the high walls and mountains. Mount up with wings as eagles., run and not be weary. When we accept the truth it changes us. It softens us to see lost people as sheep without a shepherd. Instead of rotten lousy stinking sinners who should be taken out.

We realize except for the grace of God we could be in that same situation. And just like us those people need a Good Shepherd.
 
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I understand what you are saying PeterJens about the getting the picture when we say it is all Christ that it means we do nothing. That is a very common mis-understanding and it is completely legitimate to have that picture. If it didn't come....quite frankly I would be worried...lol

It is like when I first heard " There is no condemnation for those in Christ"..I had the picture in my mind " What..are you saying we can just go out and do whatever we want?...that's crazy talk! My mind at first totally rebelled against it .. my head was saying NO, that cannot be true!..but when I quieted down my head and asked God to show me His truth...I started to "see" it in my spirit. I prayed in the Spirit a lot and still do constantly today. My pre-conceived picture along with what I was taught in the past was interfering with my receiver...if you catch my drift here. Thank God for His mercy to me.


I agree with you that there has been much over emphasis on the gifts ( we need all the gifts in manifestations ) and on special "anointings"...come get your double portion..etc.

I maintain that the revelation of the gospel of the grace of Christ releases the love of God in us to effect real changes in relationships. Real love motivated from our hearts that flows from the life of Christ in us.

The number one thing it did for me though was to absolutely fall in love with Jesus and our Father. To see the beauty of our Lord. To see His great love for us. Seeing this great love releases His love out of me towards others!

If you ever take the time to listen to Joseph Prince - you would see how in every scripture he talks about Jesus, reveals His beauty and what He has done for us.

If a teaching makes me depend totally on Christ and what He has done....and produces the fruit of goodness and purity....and if I fall deeper in love with Him and from His love in me flowing out in compassion for others... if this is the result of a teaching.. I want it!!!!!


IMHO you were doing well with your explanation until you injected the name :joseph prince". He teaches no more repentance is ever needed as if we are going to walk a perfect walk in Christ. The truth is, none walk a perfect walk! We are being continually sanctified so that means our minds are renewed to the realization that we still do things that do not honor Christ.

Therefore, we are still sinning!! When the Lord shows me I have sinned,I repent and try not to do it again because I have a Godly sorrow. To say we dont need to repent ever again tells me that he and those who admire him do not understand what God requires of us. I feel it only natural to say Im sorry, learn from it, and try to turn from it when the Father has chastened me...


In fact,there is MUCH WRONG with joseph prince teaching but since this thread is about grace Ill leave it at that
LOL This will most assuredly bring the JP fans out from under their rocks to defend his false teachings. Im not going to argue,so have at it:p
 
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Well said!

As for those rotten lousy stinking sinners....whatever you do..do not look into their eyes when talking with them..they will take your salt away....

this is very serious..watch this before dealing with any sinners..

https://vimeo.com/91637264



OH YIKES, I went to church with those people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I have to say that I have listened to probably over 100 sermons from Prince and he talks about repentance constantly. I have no idea where you would get that from.

it might be from the "pictures" that we get in our heads from past teachings on what repentance means? Whatever your definition of repentance is...do this..it'll help to clear up things...Put your definition onto God...God repented a couple of times in scripture..so..did God confess His sins?..did He cry out of sorrow...or did He change His mind ( which is what the word means )

Even our buddy Spurgeon believed repentance was changing the mind...





IMHO you were doing well with your explanation until you injected the name :joseph prince". He teaches no more repentance is ever needed as if we are going to walk a perfect walk in Christ. The truth is, none walk a perfect walk! We are being continually sanctified so that means our minds are renewed to the realization that we still do things that do not honor Christ.

Therefore, we are still sinning!! When the Lord shows me I have sinned,I repent and try not to do it again because I have a Godly sorrow. To say we dont need to repent ever again tells me that he and those who admire him do not understand what God requires of us. I feel it only natural to say Im sorry, learn from it, and try to turn from it when the Father has chastened me...


In fact,there is MUCH WRONG with joseph prince teaching but since this thread is about grace Ill leave it at that
 
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That video is hilarious!!! I love watching it!..I love the part...don't look in his eyes..he will take your salt....lol


OH YIKES, I went to church with those people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!