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Knowing who we are in Christ is the foundation of our Christian life...and it is growing in the knowledge and grace of Christ is how we are to walk that out in our life.
It's all about Christ! It starts with Him and ends with Him.
This knowledge of who we are enables us to "walk out" the life of God in this world.
Colossians 2:6-7 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
It's all about Christ! It starts with Him and ends with Him.
This knowledge of who we are enables us to "walk out" the life of God in this world.
Colossians 2:6-7 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
oppsss..you forgot the verse that came before that..
The "meat" of the word is being unskilled ( inexperienced ) in the " word of righteousness "
This righteousness is Christ's which he gives to us as a gift! ( not something we do to get )
Hebrews 5:12-13 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
Romans 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
The "meat" of the word is being unskilled ( inexperienced ) in the " word of righteousness "
This righteousness is Christ's which he gives to us as a gift! ( not something we do to get )
Hebrews 5:12-13 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
Romans 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
I love how understanding the "word of righteousness" allows us to discern both the good and evil of ...either working to establish our own righteousness and not relying on His righteousness.
Because we are the righteousness of God in Christ...we can boldly declare what He has done for us...we are complete in Him.....we have His love in us...His life...sin shall not have dominion over me..etc! It's a fabulous salvation we have in Him!
isn't hyper-grace good?
I love that scripture. Thanks for sharing it!
Because we are the righteousness of God in Christ...we can boldly declare what He has done for us...we are complete in Him.....we have His love in us...His life...sin shall not have dominion over me..etc! It's a fabulous salvation we have in Him!
isn't hyper-grace good?
I love that scripture. Thanks for sharing it!
Its ok , you don't have to keep impressing on us you are on the meat- a mature christian because of all the trials you have successfully gone through, we know now!
Well as this conversation started with two specific examples I gave of people being healed of pornography addiction and smoking are you saying not all the faithful are healed of those things if they want to be and follow the truth of the Gospel message?
Well as this conversation started with two specific examples I gave of people being healed of pornography addiction and smoking are you saying not all the faithful are healed of those things if they want to be and follow the truth of the Gospel message?
The word of God says that everyone that came to Jesus was healed! We cannot base our life on our experience when it contradicts the scriptures.
No where do you see Jesus saying.."Nope..not going to heal you because you have more to learn ...Nope...you have too much sin in your life....no....you have a generational curse and until you repent you will be sick....No..can't do it...the Father in His sovereignty doesn't want you healthy as He has stuff for you to learn so you stay sick. " This is all religious garbage! It does not reflect the nature of our loving Father.
The Lord does not cause sickness. Why we all don't get healed is between us and our Lord. We can learn a tremendous amount about our Lord in the midst of it
This does not negate the truth that it is God's will for us the be healed. We cannot judge the truth of God's word by our experience!
If we did that then we would say because all people did not receive Christ..that means He doesn't want them saved..which of course is pure baloney
Acts 10:38 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.
No where do you see Jesus saying.."Nope..not going to heal you because you have more to learn ...Nope...you have too much sin in your life....no....you have a generational curse and until you repent you will be sick....No..can't do it...the Father in His sovereignty doesn't want you healthy as He has stuff for you to learn so you stay sick. " This is all religious garbage! It does not reflect the nature of our loving Father.
The Lord does not cause sickness. Why we all don't get healed is between us and our Lord. We can learn a tremendous amount about our Lord in the midst of it
This does not negate the truth that it is God's will for us the be healed. We cannot judge the truth of God's word by our experience!
If we did that then we would say because all people did not receive Christ..that means He doesn't want them saved..which of course is pure baloney
Acts 10:38 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.
I hear what you say, but all do not receive physical healing. However the comment you are responding to concerns a conversation between crossnote and i that started because I specifically mentions people being healed of pornography addiction and smoking.
I am hoping crossbote will confirm healing I available for ALL where those things are concerned if the truth of the gospel message is followed
I am hoping crossbote will confirm healing I available for ALL where those things are concerned if the truth of the gospel message is followed
This is very tricky to try and explain to people. But I know through years of reading your posts that you understand Grace.
The furnace of tribulation causes us to do something. It refines who we are and who we will be. It requires work, dedication and focus. Lots of it.
The hardest time of my whole life was when I was first coming to the Lord. I know He was the One leading me the whole way. He was the One refining me. Burning off and cutting away the things that were detrimental.
Was there hyper grace in this "growing" period, this chastening, this pruning? Yes, absolutely. Is there hyper grace afterward? Yes, there has to be. Otherwise all that work and pruning and refining would go to waste.
Ephesians 2:10 [SUP] [/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
How was it possible that I had read the whole bible several times and yet did not know the importance or meaning of Love, Joy and Peace?
Because reading about Love, Joy and Peace doesn't cause you to experience Love, Joy and Peace... You think you have an intellectual understanding of what it means but this is leaning unto your own understanding. Experiencing the Lord Jesus Christ and what He does for us is what the whole bible is trying to lead us toward. But few, it seems, make it. It seems that people would rather talk about what they do and what is required of them.
When you tell people to do impossible things how are they supposed to perform them? There must be a higher reason for telling someone to do something that they can't possibly do. The whole world misses this point. Because it is hidden in clear sight. Veiled by arrogance.
IF people actually tried to do these impossible things they would have to come to some sort of conclusion. They would have to rely on something or someone that was other than theirselves. And this is when the veil of arrogance comes off...
Without me, you can do nothing.... That's a hard one to learn. Can you call yourself a Christian if you don't learn this? I can tell you, even though you don't need me to, that people do....
Can we learn and actually know anything without tribulation and sorrow? Is this given as a gift to drive us closer to the Lord?
It didn't seem like a gift at the time... But I wouldn't give it back for the whole world...
The furnace of tribulation causes us to do something. It refines who we are and who we will be. It requires work, dedication and focus. Lots of it.
The hardest time of my whole life was when I was first coming to the Lord. I know He was the One leading me the whole way. He was the One refining me. Burning off and cutting away the things that were detrimental.
Was there hyper grace in this "growing" period, this chastening, this pruning? Yes, absolutely. Is there hyper grace afterward? Yes, there has to be. Otherwise all that work and pruning and refining would go to waste.
Ephesians 2:10 [SUP] [/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
How was it possible that I had read the whole bible several times and yet did not know the importance or meaning of Love, Joy and Peace?
Because reading about Love, Joy and Peace doesn't cause you to experience Love, Joy and Peace... You think you have an intellectual understanding of what it means but this is leaning unto your own understanding. Experiencing the Lord Jesus Christ and what He does for us is what the whole bible is trying to lead us toward. But few, it seems, make it. It seems that people would rather talk about what they do and what is required of them.
When you tell people to do impossible things how are they supposed to perform them? There must be a higher reason for telling someone to do something that they can't possibly do. The whole world misses this point. Because it is hidden in clear sight. Veiled by arrogance.
IF people actually tried to do these impossible things they would have to come to some sort of conclusion. They would have to rely on something or someone that was other than theirselves. And this is when the veil of arrogance comes off...
Without me, you can do nothing.... That's a hard one to learn. Can you call yourself a Christian if you don't learn this? I can tell you, even though you don't need me to, that people do....
Can we learn and actually know anything without tribulation and sorrow? Is this given as a gift to drive us closer to the Lord?
It didn't seem like a gift at the time... But I wouldn't give it back for the whole world...
I agree..He purges the unbelief in Christ and His finished work out of us!..the unbelief in the "word of righteousness"
discern good and evil concerning righteousness:
Good = living from His righteousness and the "fruit" of His righteousness can be seen in our good deeds
Evil = living from our own works of righteousness and the "fruit" of that righteousness can be seen in our good deeds
Did you ever notice in Matt 7:21-23 where Jesus says..not everyone that says Lord, Lord to Me will enter the kingdom.
these people had the very the same outward "good deeds" as true disciples did. Jesus said..Depart from Me..you workers of iniquity.
Discerning of good and evil word of righteousness is what this is....they were establishing their own by good works..they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God...Jesus never knew them.
discern good and evil concerning righteousness:
Good = living from His righteousness and the "fruit" of His righteousness can be seen in our good deeds
Evil = living from our own works of righteousness and the "fruit" of that righteousness can be seen in our good deeds
Did you ever notice in Matt 7:21-23 where Jesus says..not everyone that says Lord, Lord to Me will enter the kingdom.
these people had the very the same outward "good deeds" as true disciples did. Jesus said..Depart from Me..you workers of iniquity.
Discerning of good and evil word of righteousness is what this is....they were establishing their own by good works..they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God...Jesus never knew them.