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Angela53510

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When I was taking world religions, it was a stressful time in my life, with a full course load, and my father dying in a hospital, and me visiting him for 4 hours a day.

One our assignments was to make friends with people from a different religion. I lived in a totally WASP area, and I did not have the time to find someone from another faith in Real Life. So I went into a Muslim forum. I told them I was a Seminary student, and I was there to learn about Islam and make friends.

I never had the opportunity to witness, but I sure had a lot of Muslim evangelism done to me. From testimonies of women to posts comparing the Bible to the Qur'an and how the Bible was wrong. I also spent a lot of time just reading the posts, and finding out what they believed, and what they discussed/argued about.

My goal was to eventually make friends and be a witness. But between school, my father dying and me being in charge of the memorial I never got back there. That was sad. I bought a bunch of books about Islam, and how to witness to Muslims. I learned a lot, besides what was in our text books. A visit to the mosque was also fascinating. The women had to wear a hijab, and I didn't do mine quite right. But the Muslim women were not upset in the least.

There was one recent convert who was the son of the former moderator of the United Church of Canada, formerly the largest Protestant denomination in Canada, and very apostate. A few of the men in our class started talking to him about Jesus and refuting the claims of Islam. I don't really know what happened, but suddenly this recent convert ran out of the front of the mosque in tears. I know these men loved God and were called as preachers, teachers and evangelists, but they would never intentionally hurt someone.

The next class, we had to debrief about what we saw and learned. The professor said that the people that stayed and talked to us were the "missions committee" of the mosque. There were some Arabic people, but mostly westerners that had converted. Anyway, Sparkman, I hope you learn lots at this conference, and report back to us what you learned.
 
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sparkman

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Yeah..I will be spending a lot of time with the former Muslim Christian.

I am planning on interviewing him with my videocamera and some well targeted questions. He and I are good friends and we talk a lot but being face to face will aid in understanding him. Right now he is using a Cricket phone while in the States and I cannot always understand the audio from them. I don't think their network is very good.

Here are some of the questions I have for him..if you guys have any additional ones, feel free to give them to me and I will consider asking them:

1. Can you tell us about your background? About your father, family, and your knowledge of Islam…your religious training.
2. Can you tell us about the events leading up to you placing your faith in Christ?
3. What types of things did the former missionary cover when he talked to you about salvation?
4. What happened after that? Can you outline the events which occurred leading up to your imprisonment?
5. How did your family found out about your Christianity, and what did they do in response?
6. Can you describe a little of what happened during the imprisonment?
7. What are the biggest challenges to an ex Muslim in Saudi Arabia who places his faith in Jesus Christ?
8. What are the most important things that a Christian can discuss with a Muslim in order to help him to come to faith in Jesus Christ?
9. If the Muslim you are discussing Christianity with is resistant to Christianity, is it pretty much a waste of time to continue the conversation, or is this a normal reaction?
10. Where do you think some Christians fall short in terms of evangelizing in our behavior that isn’t helpful to Muslims?
11. Do you think it’s useful to point out inconsistencies within Islamic teaching, and if so, what are some of the inconsistencies you would focus upon?
12. What do you think are the important things for you to focus upon as a Christian now?
13. Do you think the immorality of our society causes issues with Muslims coming to faith?

When I was taking world religions, it was a stressful time in my life, with a full course load, and my father dying in a hospital, and me visiting him for 4 hours a day.

One our assignments was to make friends with people from a different religion. I lived in a totally WASP area, and I did not have the time to find someone from another faith in Real Life. So I went into a Muslim forum. I told them I was a Seminary student, and I was there to learn about Islam and make friends.

I never had the opportunity to witness, but I sure had a lot of Muslim evangelism done to me. From testimonies of women to posts comparing the Bible to the Qur'an and how the Bible was wrong. I also spent a lot of time just reading the posts, and finding out what they believed, and what they discussed/argued about.

My goal was to eventually make friends and be a witness. But between school, my father dying and me being in charge of the memorial I never got back there. That was sad. I bought a bunch of books about Islam, and how to witness to Muslims. I learned a lot, besides what was in our text books. A visit to the mosque was also fascinating. The women had to wear a hijab, and I didn't do mine quite right. But the Muslim women were not upset in the least.

There was one recent convert who was the son of the former moderator of the United Church of Canada, formerly the largest Protestant denomination in Canada, and very apostate. A few of the men in our class started talking to him about Jesus and refuting the claims of Islam. I don't really know what happened, but suddenly this recent convert ran out of the front of the mosque in tears. I know these men loved God and were called as preachers, teachers and evangelists, but they would never intentionally hurt someone.

The next class, we had to debrief about what we saw and learned. The professor said that the people that stayed and talked to us were the "missions committee" of the mosque. There were some Arabic people, but mostly westerners that had converted. Anyway, Sparkman, I hope you learn lots at this conference, and report back to us what you learned.
 
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atwhatcost

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Jesus died for him. Most here attacked him. At the very least you dont need to answer him. But people here just love to preach what scripture never told you to do.

What would Jesus have said to him?
Think Jesus would have said anything like anything that was said to him?
Which one of the posts from the Christians would you all say most represents Christ?
Can all of us look at our posts and say Jesus I poeted wht you told me to post. We than go on to say I am not quite there yet?
That wont work on Christ. So hatefull.
When will we get we are to die to selve.
Matt 6:15
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

His post was perfect and none offencive. Not many here can justify what they said to Christs face.
Sorry. I'm not a universalist, so I don't know if Jesus died for him or not. I d know if Jesus did die for him, he will come to the Lord.
 

tribesman

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Islam created by Vatican

How the Vatican created Islam - Red Ice Creations

www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/04apr/catholicislam.html


How the Vatican created Islam. The astonishing story from an ex-Jesuit priest, Alberto Rivera, which was told to him by Cardinal Bea while he was at the Vatican. This information came from Alberto Rivera, former Jesuit priest after his conversion to Protestant Christianity.
I believe in this as much as I believe in the would be serious intents of the original poster: nothing.
 

JaumeJ

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In my own case, I reserve any conclusions on Islam until it is revealed, and when I say revealed, I refer to the Holy Spirit's revealing.

Until then, Islam is not condemned nor embraced. It is written in the Word, Genesis, that Hagar was blessed by Yahweh. The twelve Princes of Ishmael are mentiooned, and that for a reason. Again, this gives cause for me, personally not to judge Islam.

One poiint has always stuck in my craw though, and that is that many Moslems, for there are sects among Moslems also, say that Jesus Christ, Yeshua, was indeed a prophet of the Most High God, therefore I find the understanding of those Moslems faulty, for no Prophet of God may be in error. Jesus Christ teaches more than once that He and the Father are One. It is taught in the Word that Jesus Christ is God, yet Moslems cannot accept this. Still they say He was a prophet of God.

No, I do not judge any man to condemnation, but I am commanded to judge for myself what is right. I believe, as do some Moslems, that He is a Prophet of God, the Prophet foretold to Moses, Whome we are all to obey. He confesses He is God, therefore, I am only permitted by faith to believe Him, since no Prophet of God may prophesy in error.

May all praise God in Spirit and Truth, amen.
 

Elin

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In my own case, I reserve any conclusions on Islam until it is revealed, and when I say revealed, I refer to the Holy Spirit's revealing.

Until then, Islam is not condemned nor embraced.
That is half baked. . .there is only truth and untruth.

Islam is not the truth of God.

It is to be rejected.

God's truth is: there is salvation in no other name than Jesus Christ, who is God the Son.

All other names leave one in the condemnation of unbelief (Jn 3:36).
 
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sparkman

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This is pretty simple. Anyone who declares that Jesus didn't die for our sins is antiChrist. Muslims deny that Jesus died for our sins. Muslims are antiChrist. Simple reasoning.

However, so are unbelievers of all types and God can save any of them.

In my own case, I reserve any conclusions on Islam until it is revealed, and when I say revealed, I refer to the Holy Spirit's revealing.

Until then, Islam is not condemned nor embraced. It is written in the Word, Genesis, that Hagar was blessed by Yahweh. The twelve Princes of Ishmael are mentiooned, and that for a reason. Again, this gives cause for me, personally not to judge Islam.

One poiint has always stuck in my craw though, and that is that many Moslems, for there are sects among Moslems also, say that Jesus Christ, Yeshua, was indeed a prophet of the Most High God, therefore I find the understanding of those Moslems faulty, for no Prophet of God may be in error. Jesus Christ teaches more than once that He and the Father are One. It is taught in the Word that Jesus Christ is God, yet Moslems cannot accept this. Still they say He was a prophet of God.

No, I do not judge any man to condemnation, but I am commanded to judge for myself what is right. I believe, as do some Moslems, that He is a Prophet of God, the Prophet foretold to Moses, Whome we are all to obey. He confesses He is God, therefore, I am only permitted by faith to believe Him, since no Prophet of God may prophesy in error.

May all praise God in Spirit and Truth, amen.
 

JaumeJ

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Yes your reasoning is very simple. It has nothing to do with my post though. Also, you did not understand what I have posted, or you would have understood that I gave good reasoning in that Jesus Christ told the truth. It does not take a super-intellectual to understand that everything about Him is the truth, so why are you attempting to pick at my post? This is just plain trouble making.
 
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Brother_J_BELGIUM

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I've chatted with two of them from here and both are on my facebook. One is the guy I mentioned whose father is a mufti..the other is from Morocco. His father was an imam.

I've also talked to two other unsaved ones on Skype. One was antagonistic but he was good in terms teaching me to think a bit quicker. We probably talked over 20 hours. The other wasn't as antagonistic.

I spend a lot of time in the chat room and I talk to people in private messages so I run across them occasionally that way. I look for people from Muslim countries in their profiles.

If you want to chat with the one that I will be traveling with, I am sure he'd talk to you in the chat room but probably not next week. He's very friendly. He's 26. The guy in Morocco is about 20 but he is a student and very busy. We get to talk occasionally.
That's so cool you talked to those guys, I hope it will influence them and make them study on both of the religions - their own as well as Christianity - and who knows one day they will come to Christ.

Thank you for making that suggestion but I meant in the way of real life, to know Muslims in the area I live in. It would be cool to get that perspective from 'the Muslim in the street' rather than the Internet. I have already talked with Muslims over the Internet but it's not the same when you're not physically in the same room or place and especially when you don't speak the same language.