I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

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WithinReason

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Christ dies and goes to Hades in the "heart of the earth" (Matt.12:40, Eph.4:8-9).
There is not a single place in scripture which states that "the heart of the earth" is "hades".

Again from Strong's: A form of H3824; the heart; also used (figuratively) very widely for the feelings, the will and even the intellect; likewise for the centre of anything: - + care for, comfortably, consent, X considered, courag [-eous], friend [-ly], ([broken-], [hard-], [merry-], [stiff-], [stout-], double) heart ([-ed]), X heed, X I, kindly, midst, mind (-ed), X regard ([-ed)], X themselves, X unawares, understanding, X well, willingly, wisdom.

Thus we can see by Genesis 6:5, in their respective translations/versions, that the word used [“καρδια”[Tr. kardia]/“לבו”[Tr. “labe”]], is associated with other words like “imagination”and “thoughts”.

* (so-called), the LXX [Septuagint] is not the work of 70 Jewish scholars, and not written before AD 100, but is the work of the gnostic Origen in his Hexapla.

In Matthew 13:15 KJB, citing, Isaiah 6:10 KJB, the people did not want to “understand” with “their heart”. This again confirms the [Alpha; [so-called (LXX)]] Genesis use, and further if we turn to last [Omega] use of this form of the Greek word, in Revelation 18:7 GNT-TR, we see the words connected as, “she saith in her heart”.

Other uses/forms are also connected with the “spirit” - Psalms 51:10,17 of a man, and as such as that “he thinketh in his heart, so is he” - Proverbs 23:7, etc.

For the many uses of the word G2588 [καρδια] in the (so-called) LXX, see [minus the Apocrypha]:

Genesis6:5, 20:5,6; Exodus 25:2, 31:6, 35:5,10, 36:2; Deuteronomy6:6, 8:2,5,14,17, 9:4, 15:9,10, 18:21, 19:6, 20:8, 28:47, 29:18, 30:14, 32:46; JoshuaB 2:11, 23:14; JudgesA 19:22; 1 Kings 1:13, 2:35, 7:3, 9:19, 12:20,24, 21:13, 27:1, 29:10; 2 Kings 6:16, 7:3, 18:14; 3 Kings 2:4, 8:23,48,66, 10:2,24, 12:26; 4 Kings 10:30,31, 20:3, 23:3,25; 1 Chronicles 28:9, 29:9; 2 Chronicles 1:11, 6:14,38, 7:10, 9:23, 13:7, 16:9, 19:9, 22:9, 25:2, 29:31, 32:31, 34:31, 35:19b; 1 Esdras 1:21; 2 Esdras 7:10,27; Esther1:1l, ... Psalms 7:11, 9:2,27,32,34, 10:2, 11:3, 12:3, 13:1, 14:2, 23:4, 31:11, 35:11, 36:14,31, 39:11, 44:6, 52:2, 57:3, 61:5, 63:11, 65:18, 72:1, 73:8, 75:6, 83:6, 85:12, 89:12, 93:15,19, 94:10, 96:11, 100:5, 108:16, 110:1, 118:2,10,11,34,58,69,145, 124:4, 137:1, 139:3; ... Proverbs3:5, 4:21, 6:14, 10:8,22, 12:20, 13:12, 14:33, 18:4, 19:3,21, 20:5, 23:34, 26:24, 28:26, ... Job 22:22, 33:23, 36:13, 37:24, 38:2, ... Psalm of Solomon 1:3, 8:3; Hosea7:2; Obadiah 1:3; Zephaniah 2:15; Isaiah6:10, 9:8, 38:3, 44:18,19, 46:8, 47:7,8,10, 49:21, 51:7, 57:1, 60:5, 61:1; Jeremiah 5:24, 7:31, 12:11, 13:22, 19:5, 23:26, 36:13, 39:41; Ezekiel 6:9, 27:4, 27:25,26,27, 28:2,8, 44:7,9, ...

Other forms of the same Koine Greek word, may be seen here -

http://lexicon.katabiblon.com/index.php?lemma=καρδία

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H3820&t=KJV
 

MyrtleTrees

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You lost me here.

Christ will indeed reign 1,000 years on earth with the saints who have refused the mark of the beast or escaped capture by the beasts’ minions.

Afterward Satan will be released and cast into the lake of fire.

This much is clear in scripture.
Your view is not clear to me though, but that's alright! It's common for Christians to sincerely disagree (much because of difficult symbolisms and terminonology used on the subject, in the Bible) on prophetic parts of the Bible. The important thing above all, is always, that one has become a child of God through Jesus, and headed for heaven. How sad and awful it will be for those of earth who will end up in hell! And how fortunate those are whose home will be with God for all eternity!

We who serve God, are to regularly pray for His guidance in life, including our interpretations of the scriptures. But the Bible says our understanding of things in this life, is imperfect, compared to our understanding of things in eternity:

1 Cor 13:12

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
KJV
 

WithinReason

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Christ dies and goes to Hades in the "heart of the earth" (Matt.12:40, Eph.4:8-9). ...
There is not a single place in scripture which states that "the heart of the earth" is "hades".

[F] According to the Bible [KJB], what is the definition of “heart”?

The first [Alpha] use of “heart” is found in Genesis 6:5 KJB:

Genesis 6:5 KJB - And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.​

Notice the words, “every imagination of the thoughts” in connection to the “heart”. Secondarily, notice the words “wickedness” and “evil continually” in relation to fallen man's “heart”. This passage is directly tied to Genesis 8:21 KJB:

Genesis 8:21 KJB - And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.​

The words “imagination”, and “evil” are again directly associated with fallen “man's heart”, which parallels Jeremiah 17:9 KJB:

Jeremiah 17:9 KJB - The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?​

In contrast to “man's heart”, being “evil”, we see God's “heart”, His Holy “spirit” of infinite “love” [1 John 4:8,16 KJB], in Genesis 6:3,6 KJB, being “grieved”, which is directly tied to Ephesians 4:30; 1 Peter 3:18-19 KJB:

Genesis 6:3 KJB - And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.​
Genesis 6:6 KJB - And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.​

In further passages it may be seen that “speaking” inwardly, to one's self, takes place in the “heart”:

Genesis 17:17 KJB - Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?​
Genesis 24:45 KJB - And before I had done speaking in mine heart, behold, Rebekah came forth with her pitcher on her shoulder; and she went down unto the well, and drew water: and I said unto her, Let me drink, I pray thee.​

The “heart” of man, throughout the scriptures [KJB], is also given as the “spirit” of man, which deals with the inmost thinking, the mind of man, the thoughts and emotions of man that make up the character/personality:

Exodus 35:21 KJB - And they came, every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing, and they brought the LORD'S offering to the work of the tabernacle of the congregation, and for all his service, and for the holy garments.​
Deuteronomy 2:30 KJB - But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him: for the LORD thy God hardened his spirit, and made his heart obstinate, that he might deliver him into thy hand, as appeareth this day.​
Joshua 5:1 KJB - And it came to pass, when all the kings of the Amorites, which were on the side of Jordan westward, and all the kings of the Canaanites, which were by the sea, heard that the LORD had dried up the waters of Jordan from before the children of Israel, until we were passed over, that their heart melted, neither was there spirit in them any more, because of the children of Israel.​
Psalms 34:18 KJB - The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.​
Psalms 51:10 KJB - Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.​
Psalms 51:17 KJB - The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.​
Psalms 77:6 KJB - I call to remembrance my song in the night: I commune with mine own heart: and my spirit made diligent search.​
Psalms 78:8 KJB - And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not stedfast with God.​
Psalms 143:4 KJB - Therefore is my spirit overwhelmed within me; my heart within me is desolate.​
Proverbs 15:13 KJB - A merry heart maketh a cheerful countenance: but by sorrow of the heart the spirit is broken.​
Proverbs 17:22 KJB - A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.​
Ecclesiastes 1:17 KJB - And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.​
Isaiah 57:15 KJB - For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.​
Isaiah 65:14 KJB - Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.​
Ezekiel 11:19 KJB - And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:​
Ezekiel 18:31 KJB - Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?​
Ezekiel 21:7 KJB - And it shall be, when they say unto thee, Wherefore sighest thou? that thou shalt answer, For the tidings; because it cometh: and every heart shall melt, and all hands shall be feeble, and every spirit shall faint, and all knees shall be weak as water: behold, it cometh, and shall be brought to pass, saith the Lord GOD.​
Ezekiel 36:26 KJB - A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.​
Mark 2:8 KJB - And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?​
Romans 2:29 KJB - But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.​
Hebrews 4:12 KJB - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.​

Side note: Notice the word “soul”, is directly connected to the equal phrase, “of the joints and marrow”, which deals with the wholeness of the living physical body/person/creature. Thus a “living soul” [Genesis 2:7 KJB; ie. a living body/person/creature], or in opposition, a “soul died” [Revelation 16:3 KJB, see also “the soul that sinneth, it shall die” [Ezekiel 18:4,20 KJB]].

1 Peter 3:4 KJB - But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.​
 

WithinReason

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Christ dies and goes to Hades in the "heart of the earth" (Matt.12:40, Eph.4:8-9). ...
There is not a single place in scripture which states that "the heart of the earth" is "hades".
And thus the “spirit” of man, the “heart” of man is connected with reasoning, imaginations and thoughts:

1 Chronicles 28:9 KJB - And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.​
Psalms 81:12 KJB - So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels.​
Daniel 5:20 KJB - But when his heart was lifted up, and his mind hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him:​
Zechariah 7:10 KJB - And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.​
Matthew 9:4 KJB - And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?​
Mark 7:21 KJB - For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,​
Mark 7:22 KJB - Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:​
Mark 7:23 KJB - All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.​
Luke 2:35 KJB - (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.​
Luke 5:22 KJB - But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts?​
Luke 9:47 KJB - And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him,​
Luke 24:38 KJB - And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?​
Romans 1:21 KJB - Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Romans 2:15 KJB - Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Romans 2:29 KJB - But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.​
1 Corinthians 7:37 KJB - Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.​
Ephesians 4:18 KJB - Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:​
Ephesians 5:19 KJB - Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;​
Philippians 1:7 KJB - Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.​
1 Timothy 1:5 KJB - Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:​
Hebrews 10:22 KJB - Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.​
Revelation 18:7 KJB - How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.​

Furthermore, the word “heart” is connected to the word “midst”:

Psalms 22:14 KJB - I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.​
Proverbs 4:21 KJB - Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart.​
Proverbs 14:33 KJB - Wisdom resteth in the heart of him that hath understanding: but that which is in the midst of fools is made known.​
Isaiah 19:1 KJB - The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it.​
 

WithinReason

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Christ dies and goes to Hades in the "heart of the earth" (Matt.12:40, Eph.4:8-9). ...
There is not a single place in scripture which states that "the heart of the earth" is "hades".

[G] Is/are there any place/s in the Texts of Jonah/Jonas, that is/are similar to the phrase, “heart of the earth”, as Jesus stated in Matthew 12:40 KJB?
Yes, it reads [KJB], “in the midst of the seas”:​

Jonah 2:3 KJB - For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.​

Jonah 2:3 (2:4) HOT - שׁליכני מצולה בלבב ימים ונהר יסבבני כל־משׁבריך וגליך עלי עברו׃​

The Hebrew H3824 בלבב:

H3824

The Hebrew:לבב The Transliterated Hebrew: lêbâb

Total KJB Occurrences: 249

heart, 211

Genesis 20:5-6 (2); Exodus 14:5; Leviticus 19:17; Numbers 15:39; Deuteronomy 1:28, 2:30, 4:9,29,39, 5:29, 6:5-6 (2), 7:17, 8:2,5,14,17, 9:4-5 (2), 10:12,16, 11:13,16,18, 13:3, 15:7,9-10 (2), 17:17, 18:20-21 (2), 19:6, 20:8 (2), 26:16, 28:28,47,67, 29:18-19 (2), 30:2,6 (3),10,14,17; Joshua 5:1, 14:7, 22:5, 24:23; Judges 19:8-9 (2); 1 Samuel 1:8, 2:35, 12:19-20 (2),24, 13:14, 16:7 (3), 17:28, 21:12; 2 Samuel 7:3, 19:14 (2); 1 Kings 2:4,44, 3:6, 8:17-18 (3),23,38-39 (2),48,61,66, 9:3-4 (2), 11:2 (2),4 (3),9, 14:8, 15:3 (2),14; 2 Kings 10:15 (3),30-31 (2), 20:3, 22:19, 23:25; 1 Chronicles 12:17,38, 17:2, 22:19, 28:2, 29:17-19 (5); 2 Chronicles 1:11, 6:7-8 (3),30, 9:1, 15:12,15,17, 16:9, 19:3, 22:9 (2), 25:2, 29:10,34, 30:19, 31:21, 32:31, 34:27,31, 36:13; Ezra 7:10; Nehemiah 9:8; Job 9:4, 10:13, 17:11, 22:22, 27:6; Psalms 4:4, 15:2 (2), 20:4, 22:26, 24:4, 25:17, 31:24, 62:8, 69:32, 73:1,7,13,21,26 (2), 77:6, 78:18,72, 84:5, 86:11-12 (2), 95:8,10, 101:2,5, 102:4, 109:15-16 (3), 111:1, 119:7, 139:23; Proverbs 4:21, 6:25; Ecclesiastes 9:3; Isaiah 1:5, 6:10, 7:2 (2), 9:9, 10:7 (2),12, 13:7, 14:13, 19:1, 21:4, 30:29, 32:4, 47:8, 49:21, 60:5; Jeremiah 4:4, 5:24, 13:22, 15:16, 29:13, 51:46; Lamentations 3:41; Ezekiel 3:10, 28:5, 31:10, 36:5; Daniel 8:25, 11:12,28; Joel 2:12-13 (2); Zephaniah 1:12, 2:15; Zechariah 7:10

hearts, 22

Leviticus 26:36,41; Deuteronomy 20:3, 32:46; Joshua 2:11, 7:5, 23:14; 1 Samuel 6:6, 7:3 (2); 1 Kings 8:39,58; 1 Chronicles 28:9; 2 Chronicles 6:30, 11:16, 20:33; Job 1:5; Psalms 28:3, 90:12; Jeremiah 32:40; Daniel 11:27; Hosea 7:2

mind, 4

Deuteronomy 30:1, 1 Chronicles 22:7, Jeremiah 51:50, Ezekiel 38:10

understanding, 3

Job 12:3, 34:10,34

fainthearted, 2

Deuteronomy 20:8; Isaiah 7:4

unawares, 2

Genesis 31:20,26

breasts, 1

Nahum 2:7

comfortably, 1

2 Chronicles 32:6

courage, 1

Daniel 11:25

midst, 1

Jonah 2:3

tenderhearted, 1

2 Chronicles 13:7
Jonah 2:3 (2:4) LXX* - ἀπέρριψάς με εἰς βάθη καρδίας θαλάσσης, καὶ ποταμοί με ἐκύκλωσαν· πάντες οἱ μετεωρισμοί σου καὶ τὰ κύματά σου ἐπ᾿ ἐμὲ διῆλθον.​

Jonah 2:3 (2:4) LXX*+ - απερριψαςV-AAI-2S μεG1473 P-AS ειςG1519 PREP βαθηG899 N-APN καρδιαςG2588 N-GSF θαλασσηςG2281 N-GSF καιG2532 CONJ ποταμοιG4215 N-NPM μεG1473 P-AS εκυκλωσανG2944 V-AAI-3P παντεςG3956 A-NPM οιG3588 T-NPM μετεωρισμοιN-NPM σουG4771 P-GS καιG2532 CONJ ταG3588 T-NPN κυματαG2949 N-NPN σουG4771 P-GS επG1909 PREP εμεG1473 P-AS διηλθονG1330 V-AAI-3P​

Thus:

Jonah 2:3 KJB, “in the midst [heart] of the seas”, is similar, to​

Matthew 12:40 KJB, “in the heart of the earth”.​

We now have a direct connection between “in the heart of the earth” in Matthew 12:40 KJB, with “in the midst [heart] of the seas” in Jonah 2:3 KJB, even as Jesus said:

For as Jonas was ... in the whale's belly”, which was “in the midst [heart] of the seas”,

so shall the Son of man be ... in the heart of the earth.”

Therefore, we will need to take a look at the connection between “of the earth” and “whale's belly”, and what those are, and to also find the connection to “heart” in both cases, dealing with “the earth” and “the seas” or “the floods” and “thy billows”, “thy waves” according to Scripture [KJB].

The 'whale' is not the grave, but is a creature, a beast, representative of a 'nation' in the midst of the waters (peoples, nations, multitudes, tongues), etc.
 

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There is not a single place in scripture which states that "the heart of the earth" is "hades".

For those interested in the Strong's Concordance personal definition [Concordances, Lexicons and Dictionaries can be used [generally] for 'finding' words in the KJB, but should not [generally] be used to 'define' those words, since scripture [KJB] defines itself [Isaiah 8:20, 28:10,13; 1 Corinthians 2:13, etc.]:

“Prolonged from a primary κάρ kar (Latin cor, “heart”); the heart, that is, (figuratively) the thoughts or feelings (mind); also (by analogy) the middle: - (+ broken-) heart (-ed).”

This same Koine Greek word can also be seen in the (so-called*) LXX [Septuagint], looking at the first [Alpha] use, which is in the very same 'form' [N-DSF] as the use in Matthew 12:40 GNT-TR:

Genesis 6:5 LXX Greek - Ἰδὼν δὲ κύριος ὁ θεὸς ὅτι ἐπληθύνθησαν αἱ κακίαι τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς καὶ πᾶς τις διανοεῖται ἐν τῇ καρδίᾳαὐτοῦ ἐπιμελῶς ἐπὶ τὰ πονηρὰ πάσας τὰς ἡμέρας,​
Genesis 6:5 LXX Greek with Strong's #'s and Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes - ιδωνG3708 V-AAPNS δεG1161 PRT κυριοςG2962 N-NSM οG3588 T-NSM θεοςG2316 N-NSM οτιG3754 CONJ επληθυνθησανG4129 V-API-3P αιG3588 T-NPF κακιαιG2549 N-NPF τωνG3588 T-GPM ανθρωπωνG444 N-GPM επιG1909 PREP τηςG3588 T-GSF γηςG1065 N-GSF καιG2532 CONJ παςG3956 A-NSM τιςG5100 I-NSM διανοειταιV-PMI-3S ενG1722 PREP τηG3588 T-DSF καρδιαG2588 N-DSF αυτουG846 D-GSM επιμελωςG1960 ADV επιG1909 PREP ταG3588 T-APN πονηραG4190 A-APN πασαςG3956 A-APF ταςG3588 T-APF ημεραςG2250 N-APF​
Genesis 6:5 KJB - And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.​
Genesis 6:5 Hebrew Text with Strong's numbers – ויראH7200 יהוהH3068 כיH3588 רבהH7227 רעתH7451 האדםH120 בארץH776 וכלH3605 יצרH3336 מחשׁבתH4284 לבוH3820רקH7535 רעH7451 כלH3605 היום׃H3117​
The Hebrew H3820:

H3820

The Hebrew:לֵב The Transliterated Hebrew: lêb, labe

Total KJB Occurrences: 595

heart, 485

Genesis6:5-6 (2), 8:21 (2), 17:17, 24:45, 27:41, 42:28, 45:26; Exodus4:14,21, 7:3,13-14 (2),22-23 (2), 8:15,19,32, 9:7,12,14,34-35 (2), 10:1 (2),20,27, 11:10, 14:4, 15:8 (2), 25:2, 28:29-30 (3), 35:5,21,26,29,34-35 (2), 36:2 (2); Numbers32:7,9; Deuteronomy28:65, 29:4,19; Judges5:8-9 (2),15-16 (2), 16:15,17-18 (3), 18:20; Ruth3:5-7 (3); 1 Samuel1:13, 2:1, 4:13, 10:9, 17:32, 24:5, 25:31,36-37 (2), 27:1, 28:5; 2 Samuel6:16, 7:21, 13:27-28 (2),33, 14:1, 17:10 (2), 18:14, 19:19, 24:10; 1 Kings3:9,12, 4:29, 10:24, 11:3, 12:26-27 (2),33, 18:37, 21:7; 2 Kings 5:26, 6:11, 9:24, 12:4, 14:10, 23:3; 1 Chronicles12:33,38, 15:29, 16:10, 17:19,25, 29:9 (2); 2 Chronicles 6:38, 7:10-11 (2),16, 9:23, 12:14, 17:6, 25:19, 26:16, 29:31, 30:12, 32:25-26 (2); Ezra6:22, 7:27; Nehemiah2:2,12, 6:8, 7:5; Esther1:10, 5:9, 6:6, 7:5; Job7:17, 8:10, 11:13, 12:24, 15:12, 17:4, 23:16, 29:13, 31:7,9,27, 33:3, 34:14, 36:13, 37:1, 41:24 (2); Psalms4:7, 7:10, 9:1, 10:6,11,13,17, 12:2 (2), 13:5, 14:1, 16:9, 17:3, 19:8, 22:14 (2), 27:2-3 (2),8,14, 28:7 (2), 33:11 (2),21, 34:18, 36:1,10, 37:4,15,31, 38:8,10, 39:3, 40:10,12, 41:6, 44:18,21, 45:1,5, 49:3, 51:10,17, 53:1, 55:4,21, 57:7 (2), 61:2 (2), 62:10, 64:6,10, 66:18, 69:20, 78:8,37, 84:2, 94:15, 97:11, 101:4, 105:3,25, 107:12, 108:1, 109:22, 112:7-8 (2), 140:2 (3), 143:4 (2), 147:3; Proverbs2:2,10, 3:1,3,5, 4:4,23, 5:12, 6:14,18,21, 7:3,10,25, 8:5, 10:8, 11:20 (2),29, 12:8,20,23,25, 13:12, 14:10,13-14 (2),30,33, 15:7,13-15 (4),28,30, 16:1,5,9,21,23, 17:16,20,22, 18:2,12,15, 19:3,21, 20:5,9, 21:1,4, 22:11,15,17, 23:7,12,15 (2),17,19,26,33, 24:2,17, 25:3,20, 26:23,25, 27:9,11,19, 28:14,26, 31:11; Ecclesiastes1:13,16-17 (3), 2:1,3 (2),10 (2),15 (2),20,22-23 (2), 3:11,17-18 (2), 5:2,20, 7:2-4 (4),7,22,25-26 (2), 8:5,9,11,16, 9:1,3,7, 10:2 (2); Song of Solomon 3:9-11 (4), 5:2, 8:6; Isaiah6:10, 15:5, 29:13, 32:6, 33:18, 35:4, 38:3, 42:25, 44:19-20 (2), 47:7,10, 51:7, 57:1,11,15,17, 59:13, 63:4,17, 66:14 (3); Jeremiah3:10,15,17, 4:9 (2),14,18-19 (3), 7:23-24 (2),31, 8:18, 9:14,26, 11:8,20, 12:3,11, 13:10, 14:14, 16:12, 17:1,5,9-10 (2), 18:12, 20:9,12, 22:17, 23:9,16-17 (2),20,26 (2), 24:7 (2), 30:21,24, 31:21, 32:39,41, 48:29,36 (2),41, 49:16,22 (2); Lamentations1:20,22, 2:18-19 (2), 3:65, 5:15,17; Ezekiel6:9, 11:19 (3),21 (2), 13:17,22, 14:3-5 (3),7, 18:31, 20:16, 21:7,15, 22:14, 28:2 (3),6 (2),17, 33:31, 36:26 (3), 40:4, 44:7,9; Daniel1:8, 10:12; Hosea4:11, 7:6,11,14, 10:2, 11:8, 13:6,8; Obadiah1:3 (2); Nahum2:10; Zephaniah3:14; Zechariah10:7 (2), 12:5; Malachi2:2 (2), 4:6

hearts, 21

Genesis18:5; Exodus14:17, 31:6; Joshua11:20; Judges9:3, 16:25, 19:22; 1 Samuel6:6, 10:26; 2 Samuel15:6; 2 Chronicles6:13-14 (2); Psalms33:15, 35:25, 74:8; Jeremiah31:33, 48:41; Ezekiel13:2, 32:9; Zechariah7:12, 8:17

midst, 12

Deuteronomy4:11; 2 Samuel18:14; Psalms46:2; Proverbs23:34, 30:19; Jeremiah51:1; Ezekiel27:4,25-27 (3), 28:2,8

mind, 12

Numbers16:28, 24:13; 1 Samuel9:20; Nehemiah4:6; Psalms31:12; Isaiah46:8, 65:17; Jeremiah3:16, 19:5, 32:35; Lamentations3:21 (2)

understanding, 10

Proverbs6:32, 7:7, 9:4,16, 10:13, 12:11, 15:32, 17:18, 24:30; Jeremiah 5:21

hearted, 8

Exodus28:3, 31:6, 35:10,22,25, 36:1-2 (2),8

consider, 6

Isaiah41:22; Haggai1:5,7, 2:15,18 (2)

wisdom, 6

Job36:5; Proverbs10:21, 11:12, 15:21, 19:8; Ecclesiastes10:3

comfortably, 4

2 Samuel 19:7; 2 Chronicles 30:22; Isaiah40:2; Hosea2:14

considered, 3

Job1:8, 2:3; Proverbs24:32

regard, 3

1 Samuel 4:20, 25:25; 2 Samuel 13:20

bethink, 2

1 Kings 8:47; 2 Chronicles 6:37

care, 2

2 Samuel 18:3 (2)

friendly, 2

Judges19:3 (2); Ruth2:13

kindly, 2

Genesis34:3, 50:21

stouthearted, 2

Psalms76:5; Isaiah46:12

unawares, 2

Genesis31:20,26

brokenhearted, 1

Isaiah61:1

consent, 1

Psalms83:5

courageous, 1

Amos2:16

hardhearted, 1

Ezekiel3:7

heart’s, 1

Psalms21:2

hearth, 1

Genesis18:6

hearts’, 1

Psalms81:12

heed, 1

Ecclesiastes7:21

merryhearted, 1

Isaiah24:7

minded, 1

2 Chronicles 24:4

regarded, 1

Exodus9:21

stiffhearted, 1

Ezekiel2:4

willingly, 1

Lamentations3:33
Yes, the King James Bible doesn't use the Word, "Hades" at all. Though an online dictionary says "Hades" has a number of meanings. And that the Revised Version of the Bible uses it:

Hades
[ hey-deez ]SHOW IPA
noun
Classical Mythology.
  1. the underworld inhabited by departed souls.
  2. the god ruling the underworld; Pluto.
(in the Revised Version of the New Testament) the abode or state of the dead.
(often lowercase) hell.

Personally, I see the King James Bible as being the most accurate translation of the Bible. I use it most of the time, and like it the best. Though I assume it is ok for Christians to use more modern translations of the Bible, if not well enough able to understand the King James Bible. But they would be wise to remember that the King James Bible is the most trustworthy version there is. And that when passages are in question as to their meaning, it would be wise to check how the King James words those passages.

It's true Jesus' body was in the grave for 3 days when He was dead. But His Spirit went directly to heaven during that time. And so did the spirit of the repentant thief whom Jesus told would see Him in heaven:
Luke 23:43

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
KJV
 

MyrtleTrees

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There is not a single place in scripture which states that "the heart of the earth" is "hades".
And thus the “spirit” of man, the “heart” of man is connected with reasoning, imaginations and thoughts:

1 Chronicles 28:9 KJB - And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.​
Psalms 81:12 KJB - So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels.​
Daniel 5:20 KJB - But when his heart was lifted up, and his mind hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him:​
Zechariah 7:10 KJB - And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.​
Matthew 9:4 KJB - And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?​
Mark 7:21 KJB - For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,​
Mark 7:22 KJB - Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:​
Mark 7:23 KJB - All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.​
Luke 2:35 KJB - (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.​
Luke 5:22 KJB - But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts?​
Luke 9:47 KJB - And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him,​
Luke 24:38 KJB - And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?​
Romans 1:21 KJB - Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.​
Romans 2:15 KJB - Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Romans 2:29 KJB - But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.​
1 Corinthians 7:37 KJB - Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.​
Ephesians 4:18 KJB - Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:​
Ephesians 5:19 KJB - Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;​
Philippians 1:7 KJB - Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.​
1 Timothy 1:5 KJB - Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:​
Hebrews 10:22 KJB - Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.​
Revelation 18:7 KJB - How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.​

Furthermore, the word “heart” is connected to the word “midst”:

Psalms 22:14 KJB - I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.​
Proverbs 4:21 KJB - Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart.​
Proverbs 14:33 KJB - Wisdom resteth in the heart of him that hath understanding: but that which is in the midst of fools is made known.​
Isaiah 19:1 KJB - The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it.​
You said:
Furthermore, the word “heart” is connected to the word “midst”:
Right! So sometimes, the word 'heart" in the Bible, just means 'in the midst."
 

WithinReason

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Christ dies and goes to Hades in the "heart of the earth" (Matt.12:40, Eph.4:8-9). ...
There is not a single place in scripture which states that "the heart of the earth" is "hades".

Is the statement made by Jesus in Matthew 12:40 a prophecy?

Matthew 12:40 KJB - For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.​

Yes, the words of Matthew 12:40 KJB are a prophecy, but it is a special type of prophecy ~ a typological [dealing with type/antitype] one.

Notice carefully the prophecy that is clearly given, and the future tense thereof:

“... so shall the Son of man be ...”​

Now notice the typological aspect of the prophecy [the historic past portion which was to be repeated in anti-type, or greater reality/fulfillment]:

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly ...”​

This means we can consider the texts of Matthew and Jonah in this light [typological prophecy] and look for those things which will help us identify terms, since prophecies are given in symbol, and things go from natural to spiritual as per 1 Corinthians 15:44-46 KJB.

Let us begin with the word “whale”. A “whale” according to the bible [KJB] is a great sea creature, a sea beast [Genesis 1:20-23; Job 7:12; Ezekiel 32:2; Matthew 12:40 KJB].

A beast/creature in prophetic terms/symbolism is generally a politically gathered/united people group/nation/kingdom [Genesis 49:9; Isaiah 27:1, 46:11; Jeremiah 4:7, 5:6, 12:8, 25:38, 49:19, 50:44; Ezekiel 17:3,7, 32:2; Daniel 7:7,19,23, 8:20,21; Joel 1:6; Micah 5:8; Revelation 13:1,2,3,7,11,12, 17:3,7,8,11,12, etc., KJB]. For a specific example, the Egyptians, as a nation, were designated under the symbol of a great sea creature:

[While reading, notice, God the Greatest Fisherman [doesn't Jesus know how to fish?, just ask Peter, James and John]]

Ezekiel 32:2 KJB - Son of man, take up a lamentation for Pharaoh king of Egypt, and say unto him, Thou art like a young lion of the nations, and thou [art] as a whale in the seas: and thou camest forth with thy rivers, and troubledst the waters with thy feet, and fouledst their rivers.​

[Pharaoh, as king [a head/husband] of a nation [a body/wife], represents the nation. Not only was this a prophecy of the past, but so also of the Future (events transpiring now; Daniel 11:40-45, 12:1, etc., KJB), and of the end of Satan himself.]

Ezekiel 32:3 KJB - Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will therefore spread out my net over thee with a company of many people; and they shall bring thee up in my net.​

Ezekiel 32:4 KJB - Then will I leave thee upon the land, I will cast thee forth upon the open field, and will cause all the fowls of the heaven to remain upon thee, and I will fill the beasts of the whole earth with thee.​

Ezekiel 32:5 KJB - And I will lay thy flesh upon the mountains, and fill the valleys with thy height.​

Ezekiel 32:6 KJB - I will also water with thy blood the land wherein thou swimmest, [even] to the mountains; and the rivers shall be full of thee.​

Ezekiel 32:7 KJB - And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.​

Ezekiel 32:8 KJB - All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over thee, and set darkness upon thy land, saith the Lord GOD.​

Ezekiel 32:9 KJB - I will also vex the hearts of many people, when I shall bring thy destruction among the nations, into the countries which thou hast not known.​

Ezekiel 32:10 KJB - Yea, I will make many people amazed at thee, and their kings shall be horribly afraid for thee, when I shall brandish my sword before them; and they shall tremble at [every] moment, every man for his own life, in the day of thy fall.​

Ezekiel 32:11 KJB - For thus saith the Lord GOD; The sword of the king of Babylon shall come upon thee.​

Ezekiel 32:12 KJB - By the swords of the mighty will I cause thy multitude to fall, the terrible of the nations, all of them: and they shall spoil the pomp of Egypt, and all the multitude thereof shall be destroyed.​

Ezekiel 32:13 KJB - I will destroy also all the beasts thereof from beside the great waters; neither shall the foot of man trouble them any more, nor the hoofs of beasts trouble them.​

Ezekiel 32:14 KJB - Then will I make their waters deep, and cause their rivers to run like oil, saith the Lord GOD.​

Ezekiel 32:15 KJB - When I shall make the land of Egypt desolate, and the country shall be destitute of that whereof it was full, when I shall smite all them that dwell therein, then shall they know that I [am] the LORD.​

Ezekiel 32:16 KJB - This [is] the lamentation wherewith they shall lament her: the daughters of the nations shall lament her: they shall lament for her, [even] for Egypt, and for all her multitude, saith the Lord GOD.​

Ezekiel 32:17 KJB - It came to pass also in the twelfth year, in the fifteenth [day] of the month, [that] the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,​

Ezekiel 32:18 KJB - Son of man, wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, [even] her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit.​

Also:

Isaiah 27:1 KJB - In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that [is] in the sea.​

Isaiah 27:12 KJB - And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.​

Now that we have seen that a “nation” [with its king] can be described as a “whale”, a sea creature/beast, let us see how that helps us in Matthew 12:40 and in Jonah, and how it helps us in relating the other terms, “in the heart of the earth”, “in the midst [heart] of the seas”, “whale's belly”, “the floods”, “thy billows” and “thy waves”.

First, let us consider this “earth” and what that means. The “earth” [γηςG1093 N-GSF; earth, land, inhabited places, etc] - https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang...gs=G1093&t=KJV
 

WithinReason

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Christ dies and goes to Hades in the "heart of the earth" (Matt.12:40, Eph.4:8-9). ...
There is not a single place in scripture which states that "the heart of the earth" is "hades".

Is the statement made by Jesus in Matthew 12:40 a prophecy?

Using the Scripture, in “line upon line” [Isaiah 28:10] we can see that the “earth” can mean peoples therein, even “[men] ... among the nations”:

1 Corinthians 16:31 KJB - Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice: and let [men] say among the nations, The LORD reigneth.​

Lamentations 2:15 KJB - All that pass by clap [their] hands at thee; they hiss and wag their head at the daughter of Jerusalem, [saying, Is] this the city that [men] call The perfection of beauty, The joy of the whole earth?​

Psalms 96:13 KJB - Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.​

Psalms 98:9 KJB - Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.​

Psalms 99:1 KJB - The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth [between] the cherubims; let the earth be moved.​

Isaiah 10:14 KJB - And my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the people: and as one gathereth eggs [that are] left, have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or peeped.​

Isaiah 34:1 KJB - Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.​

Jeremiah 6:19 KJB - Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, [even] the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.​

Micah 1:2 KJB - Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness against you, the Lord from his holy temple.​

Now consider again Matthew 13:15, wherein the same word “heart” is used in the same fashion:

Matthew 13:15 KJB - For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.​

The phrase “in the heart of the earth”, means in the thoughts/mind/heart of the peoples/nations, as Jonas was such a sign.

Isaiah 45:22 KJB - Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else.

Luke 2:34 KJB - And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this [child] is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;​

Luke 2:35 KJB - (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.​

John 12:32 KJB - And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.

It means, Jesus would be taken, and be in the centermost attention of all the heart of the peoples, yea, even the whole world [even the onlooking unfallen universe].

Consider again in this instance of “seas”, “floods”, “billows” and “waves”:

What are “seas”?

Genesis 1:10 KJB - And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good.​

Genesis 1:22 KJB - And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.​

Leviticus 11:9 KJB - These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.​

Leviticus 11:10 KJB - And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:​

Psalms 24:2 KJB - For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.​

Psalms 65:7 KJB - Which stilleth the noise of the seas, the noise of their waves, and the tumult of the people.​

Jonah 2:3 KJB - For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.​

See also “sea” in connection with the Sanctuary, as the “molten sea” of the Great Laver of Solomon's Temple (see 1 Kings 7; 2 Kings 25; 1 Chronicles 18; 2 Chronicles 4; Jeremiah 27; 52):

What then are “waters”?

Isaiah 17:12 KJB - Woe to the multitude of many people, [which] make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, [that] make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters!​

Psalms 77:19 KJB - Thy way is in the sea, and thy path in the great waters, and thy footsteps are not known.​

Revelation 17:15 KJB - And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, ... are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.​

Therefore, Jesus was to be “swallowed up” by the mob [for many people were in Jerusalem from all over for the feasts], a “whale” [great sea creature; a specific nation], among the many “waters”, “seas” [peoples] and taken into its/their control, taking him where it/they would (from trial to trial, scourging to scourging), down to the depths...

This is exactly fulfilled in the life of Jesus, beginning in the Garden of Gethsemane, where he is taken captive...

Psalms 2:1 KJB - Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?​

Psalms 2:2 KJB - The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying],​

Jude 1:13 KJB - Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.​

But many “waters” could not “quench love”:

Sons of Songs 8:7 KJB - Many waters cannot quench love, neither can the floods drown it: if [a] man would give all the substance of his house for love, it would utterly be contemned.​

Psalms 93:3 KJB - The floods have lifted up, O LORD, the floods have lifted up their voice; the floods lift up their waves.​

Psalms 93:4 KJB - The LORD on high [is] mightier than the noise of many waters, [yea, than] the mighty waves of the sea.​

There is more to yet see, for we need to look at the Jonas type and compare to the anti-type events, and see if this truly fits.
 

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There is not a single place in scripture which states that "the heart of the earth" is "hades".

[E] What is the specific Koine Greek word used in the underlying Greek texts [TR, Majority, Byzantine, etc], that is translated into the KJB English word “heart”, in the phrase “heart of the earth” [Matthew 12:40 KJB]?

G2588:

The Koine Greek: καρδιαThe Transliterated Koine Greek: kardia

This word is variously translated in the King James Bible as [according to the E-Sword King James Concordance]:

Total KJB Occurrences: 161

heart, 102

Matthew5:8,28, 6:21, 11:29, 12:34-35 (2),40, 13:15 (2),19, 15:8,18-19 (2), 22:37, 24:48; Mark 6:52, 7:6,19,21, 8:17, 11:23, 12:30,33; Luke 2:19,51, 6:45 (3), 8:15, 9:47, 10:27, 12:34,45, 24:25,32; John 12:40 (2), 13:2, 14:1,27, 16:6,22; Acts 2:26,37,46, 4:32, 5:3-4 (2),33, 7:23,51,54, 8:21-22 (2),37, 11:23, 13:22, 16:14, 21:13, 28:27 (2); Romans1:21, 2:5,29, 6:17, 9:2, 10:6,8-10 (3); 1 Corinthians2:9, 7:37 (2), 14:25; 2 Corinthians 2:4, 3:3,15, 5:12, 6:11, 8:16, 9:7; Ephesians 5:18-19 (2), 6:5; Philippians1:7; Colossians 3:22; 1 Thessalonians 2:17; 1 Timothy 1:5; 2 Timothy 2:22; Hebrews 3:10, 4:12 (2), 10:22, 13:9; James 1:26; 1 Peter 1:22, 3:4; 2 Peter 2:14; 1 John 3:20-21 (3); Revelation18:7

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Matthew9:4, 18:35; Mark 2:6,8, 3:5, 4:15; Luke1:17,51,66, 2:35, 3:15, 5:22, 8:12, 16:15, 21:14,34; Acts7:38-39 (2), 14:17, 15:9; Romans 1:24, 2:15, 5:5, 8:27, 16:18; 1 Corinthians 4:5; 2 Corinthians 1:22, 3:2, 4:6, 7:3; Galatians 4:6; Ephesians 3:17, 6:22; Philippians 4:7; Colossians 2:2, 3:15-16 (2), 4:8; 1 Thessalonians 2:4, 3:13; 2 Thessalonians 2:17, 3:5; Hebrews 3:8,15, 4:7, 8:10, 10:16,22; James3:14, 4:8, 5:5,8; 1 Peter 3:15; 2 Peter 1:19; 1 John 3:19; Revelation 2:23, 17:17

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Luke4:17-18 (2)

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Romans10:1

In Matthew 12:40 GNT-TR the word “καρδια”, “kardia” and is in the form “N-DSF”:

N-DSF”-

Part of Speech: Noun
Case: Dative
Number: Singular
Gender: Feminine

This same exact form [N-DSF] of the Greek word is found in many other GNT-TR texts:

Matthew5:8,28, 11:29, 12:40, 13:15,19, 22:37, 24:48; Mark11:23; Luke1:66, 2:19,51, 8:15, 12:45, 24:25,38; John12:40; Acts2:37, 5:4, 7:39,51, 28:27; Romans9:2, 10:6,8,9,10; 1 Corinthians7:37; 2 Corinthians5:12, 8:16, 9:7; Ephesians5:19; Philippians1:7; Colossians3:16; 1 Thessalonians2:17; Hebrews3:10; James3:14; Revelation18:7

Jesus uses this word in the very context of Matthew 12:40 KJB:

Matthew 12:34 KJB - O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.​
Matthew 12:35 KJB - A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.​

Jesus also uses this word in other similar contexts:

Matthew 13:15 KJB - For this people's heart is waxed gross, and theirears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see withtheireyes, and hear withtheirears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.​

In Matthew 13:15 GNT-TR, the word “καρδια”is in the same form [N-DSF]:

Matthew 13:15 GNT-TR - επαχυνθη γαρ η καρδια του λαου τουτου και τοις ωσιν βαρεως ηκουσαν και τους οφθαλμους αυτων εκαμμυσαν μηποτε ιδωσιν τοις οφθαλμοις και τοις ωσιν ακουσωσιν και τη καρδια συνωσιν και επιστρεψωσιν και ιασωμαι αυτους​
Matthew 13:15 GNT-TR+ [with KJ Concordance Numbers & Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes] - επαχυνθηG3975 V-API-3S γαρG1063 CONJ ηG3588 T-NSF καρδιαG2588 N-NSFτουG3588 T-GSM λαουG2992 N-GSM τουτουG3778 D-GSM καιG2532 CONJ τοιςG3588 T-DPN ωσινG3775 N-DPN βαρεωςG917 ADV ηκουσανG191 V-AAI-3P καιG2532 CONJ τουςG3588 T-APM οφθαλμουςG3788 N-APM αυτωνG846 P-GPM εκαμμυσανG2576 V-AAI-3P μηποτεG3379 ADV-N ιδωσινG3708 V-2AAS-3P τοιςG3588 T-DPM οφθαλμοιςG3788 N-DPM καιG2532 CONJ τοιςG3588 T-DPN ωσινG3775 N-DPN ακουσωσινG191 V-AAS-3P καιG2532 CONJ τηG3588 T-DSF καρδιαG2588 N-DSFσυνωσινG4920 V-2AAS-3P καιG2532 CONJ επιστρεψωσινG1994 V-AAS-3P καιG2532 CONJ ιασωμαιG2390 V-ADS-1S αυτουςG846 P-APM​
Mark 2:8 KJB - And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?​

In Mark 2:8 GNT-TR, the word “καρδιαις”is in the plural form [N-DPF]:

Mark 2:8 GNT-TR - και ευθεως επιγνους ο ιησους τω πνευματι αυτου οτι ουτως διαλογιζονται εν εαυτοις ειπεν αυτοις τι ταυτα διαλογιζεσθε εν ταις καρδιαις υμων​
Mark 2:8 GNT-TR+ [with KJ Concordance Numbers & Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes] - καιG2532 CONJ ευθεωςG2112 ADV επιγνουςG1921 V-2AAP-NSM οG3588 T-NSM ιησουςG2424 N-NSM τωG3588 T-DSN πνευματιG4151 N-DSN αυτουG846 P-GSM οτιG3754 CONJ ουτωςG3779 ADV διαλογιζονταιG1260 V-PNI-3P ενG1722 PREP εαυτοιςG1438 F-3DPM ειπενG3004 V-2AAI-3S αυτοιςG846 P-DPM τιG5101 I-ASN ταυταG3778 D-APN διαλογιζεσθεG1260 V-PNI-2P ενG1722 PREP ταιςG3588 T-DPF καρδιαιςG2588 N-DPFυμωνG4771 P-2GP​


The “heart” then, is that which is the inward thoughts and emotions.
Yes the wicked corrupted "heart " (unknowable) .No faith coming from hearing God. No sabbath rest in sufferings the wage of sin .

His labor of love works in those who do believe the gospel. Empowering them to both to will and do the good pleasure of God .Just as did the Son of man, Jesus and Jonas. Both cried out for strength so they could bear the wage of sin and therefore finish the sufferings the pangs of hell. Again enabling them finish the three days and nights work of sufferings

Being yoked with Christ the burden was lighter.

Can't cry out for strength to finish doing the will of God if a person was dead and buried . We let the dead bury the dead .

Jonah 2 King James Version (KJV) Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by "reason of mine affliction" unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

The heart of the corrupted earth is hell .By reason of sufferings. Compare the spiritual understand hidden as a parable to Jonas and Jesus .The last sign as a wonder that has been fulfilled .Not need to wonder.
 

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Thanks Myrtle Trees, for your input. I like that you notice that numbers, like other words in the Bible (that are not numbers), have a parable or representational meaning rather than a surface meaning. The Bible is written this way. In Psalm 78:2, we read that God opens his mouth in a parable. The way that God opens his mouth is the Bible. It is written in parable form. We read in Mark 34 that without a parable God does not speak unto them. In other words, when he speaks in the Bible it is in parable form, with representational words.

I also like that you notice that 1 Thes 4:17 mentions that we meet the Lord in the air. The air is a parable word in the Bible. It's meaning is heaven. We see this in the parable of the kingdom of heaven (Mat 13:31-32) in which the birds of the air lodge in branches. The birds are pictures of true believers and the term air is used to describe that they are of heaven.

When it comes to the notion of Millennial Reign, however, most people are not looking at 1 Thes 4:17 to get that theory. The Millennial Reign idea comes mostly from Revelation chapter 20. In that chapter an angel comes down from heaven and binds Satan. That angel (meaning messenger) is Jesus. He is the one who has the ability to bind Satan. This was accomplished when Jesus came to earth and died on the cross and rose again giving the Holy Spirit to create a new bunch of born again persons. That is why Chapter 20 says that there is a seal placed on Satan. The seal is the Holy Spirit. As long as the Holy Spirit is there he cannot deceive true believers from believing on Christ unto salvation. We find that when Christ comes to earth he binds Satan for a thousand years. While the thousand years mentioned is a parable word with a representational meaning, it seems that the verse is describing that time period following Christ's coming to the earth to go to the cross to give the Holy Spirit. Again, the Holy Spirit is what binds Satan so that he cannot deceive true believers. We also see thrones mentioned in Rev 20. This is because once a person is born again they are seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, ruling and reigning with him. They are reigning spiritually, not like you imagine an earthly monarch sitting on a throne giving out self-serving orders. Rather, even if they are of little consequence in the flesh, they are ruling in spiritual places. We find that those who take part in Christ's resurrection are blessed and holy and the second death has no power, meaning they have been given eternal life.
Yes, as you say, those who think the millenium is referring to the idea that Jesus will spend that amount of time with His people, on earth. And that those who think that way, or overlooking or failing to correctly understand I Thessalonians 4:17. They also overlook or correctly understand the passage that the Bible says that the earth will burn up with a fervent heat, after Jesus returns and brings remaining saints home with Him to heaven.
2 Peter 3:10-12

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
KJV

That was very interesting, your interpretations of the symbolic meanings in the Revelation passage you mentioned! I've copied your reply, and will look at that Bible passage and compare with what you said about it, later! I hadn't thought of those possible interpretations of that passage, before!
 

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Man, talk about spamming the thread...
I'm well familiar with the book, John Bunyan, too, from childhood! I've also read other books of his.

Yes, I agree, that a majority of people who profess to be Christians, really are not true Christians, though they make some effort to enter into the kingdom of heaven! I think that's always been true, judging by what Jesus said about that.
Matt 7:14

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
KJV
Also, the parable of the sheep and goats (Matthew 25) on Judgment day, also shows this to be the case. Many who thought they were Christians will find at that point, that they have not been such!
And Jesus disapproved of hypocrites. I feel sure there have always been those who hypocritically served God, not only in the time of Jesus' life, but now and throughout history! God is able to see what's in people's hearts. No one is able to fool Him about the heart condition of any person! All will reap what they sow on this earth on Judgment Day, the Bible says!
 

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The SDA teaches and believes this. Jer. 4:23-26
Jer 4:23-26

23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
KJV
What do you mean? Do you mean that they believe also, as i do that the heavens and earth will be destroyed after Jesus takes His remaining saints to heaven?
 

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Notice in these verses Jesus isnt coming down, but going up to the Father. "came to the Ancient of Days".
You've got it backwards. Jesus and the Father are in Heaven, but all peoples, nations, and languages are on earth. Therefore He comes from Heaven to earth as confirmed by numerous Scriptures.
 

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Since Heaven does not need a Millennium, that is rather absurd statement. It is the earth that needs to have the Kingdom of God established on it. The Millennium is just the start of the everlasting Kingdom of God on earth.

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. (Dan 7:13,14).
I respect your view, but it isn't what i see. I have observed that the prophetic parts of the Bible, have many symbolisms, which adds to the difficulty for many, in efforts to correctly understanding them. To me, it appears that eternity with God, is to be centered up in heaven, while this present earth, is to be completely destroyed upon Jesus' return - to get all the remaining saints of earth, to bring them back to heaven with Him.
2 Peter 3:10

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up
KJV

1 Thess 4:16-17

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
KJV

Matt 13:39-40

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
KJV
 

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There is not a single place in scripture which states that "the heart of the earth" is "hades".
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You have written much my brother. It was not necessary to do this. Consider this. In ...
Matthew 12:40, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Ephesians 4:8-10;
8 "Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things)"


Acts 2:23-27;
23 "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in HADES, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
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31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in HADES, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses."

  1. Our Lord would die and spend three days in the "heart of the earth"
  2. Our Lord "descended FIRST" to the lower parts of the earth
  3. Our Lord was in HADES in death, but not LEFT there by the Father, but RAISED UP
I think scripture is more than clear where the dead go, even our Lord Jesus. On the morning of resurrection, our Lord told Mary that He "had NOT YET ascended to His Father". His journey was, (i) death on the cross, then (ii) His soul descended to the heart of the earth, which is (iii) Hades, then (iv) He remained there for three days, and finally (v) was raised to the surface of the earth where He met Mary BEFORE ascending to His Father. Later that day he DESCENDED to impart the Holy Spirit into His disciples.
 

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Please be careful with 2 Peter 3, in that it shows two major phases of "the Day of the LORD" (1,000 years long). The first portion, the beginning thereof, shows the "heavens shall pass away with a great noise", which refers to the Second Advent at the beginning of the 1,000 years, see:

Rev_6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.​

And the latter portion, "all these things shall be dissolved", refers to the end of the 1,000 years, in Revelation 20, Zechariah 14, etc:
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.​

At Jesus Second advent the wicked are destroyed by the "brightness of His coming" (2 Thessalonians 2:8), and the wicked then living are truly laid low, but satan and his devils will remain on earth, trapped, even though the cities are all broken down and there are no more animals, or humans alive for 1,000 years (Jeremiah 4:23-28, etc).

Yet the entire earth will not be "dissolved" (works burned up) until at the end of the 1,000 years, or the ending of "the Day of the LORD". In other words, everything will be reduced to ashes, including satan and his devils at that time (Malachi 4:3; Ezekiel 28:19).



There is one future advent of Jesus Christ to earth.

The day of the Lord in 2 Peter 3:10-13 takes place on the last day, at this future advent, and isn't in separate events of multiple years as you falsely claim.

The heavens and earth are dissolved at the one and only future advent of Jesus Christ "Immediately After The Tribulation"

There will be no future 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth, where the eternal glorified Jesus Christ sits on a earthly throne, with mortal humans running around, a Big "Fairy Tale"!

Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement :)

Immediately after the tribulation, as the resurrection of all takes place, as the living believers are raptured/caught up, as this existing earth is "DISSOLVED" by the Lords fire in final judgement, as the New Heavens, Earth, And Jerusalem are revealed for eternity, all in the twinkling of an eye.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved
, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 

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There is one future advent of Jesus Christ to earth.

The day of the Lord in 2 Peter 3:10-13 takes place on the last day, at this future advent, and isn't in separate events of multiple years as you falsely claim.

The heavens and earth are dissolved at the one and only future advent of Jesus Christ "Immediately After The Tribulation"

There will be no future 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth, where the eternal glorified Jesus Christ sits on a earthly throne, with mortal humans running around, a Big "Fairy Tale"!

Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement :)
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2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved
, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
What is your understanding of Revelation Chapter 20? Thanks.
 

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There is not a single place in scripture which states that "the heart of the earth" is "hades".
Isaiah 14:9KJV
9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

Ezekiel 32:18KJV
18 Son of man, wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit.

Ephesians 4:9KJV
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?