I DON'T BELIEVE THE MILLENIUM WILL BE ON EARTH, BUT RATHER, UP IN HEAVEN

[MyrtleTrees]

So you do not believe Scripture?

I completely believe all of the scriptures. But the fact is that there are a great many sincere, true Christians - including myself, who are not able to agree with other sincere Christians, on all points of spiritual doctrine. If they are true, sincere, Christians, then they put high priority on prayerfully doing their best to correctly interpret all parts of scripture. Those who willfully choose not to do so, are not yet fully surrendered to Christ with their lives. Such ones are away from the Lord, and if they don't repent of it and of all sin, they will not go to heaven, but will go to hell.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

You lost me here.

Christ will indeed reign 1,000 years on earth with the saints who have refused the mark of the beast or escaped capture by the beasts’ minions.

Afterward Satan will be released and cast into the lake of fire.

This much is clear in scripture.

I can agree with you that the devil will be cast into hell, after the end of the world, as the Bible says so. As will also all happen to all unbelievers.

But I just don't feel able to see the 1,000 years to be referring to 1000 actual years here on earth, with Christ reigning. To me, it looks like the scriptures imply that this earth will be burned up immediately, following Jesus' return to earth, in which He'll have all the remaining saints gathered and brought up to heaven with Him. And after that, the earth and universe will all be burned up.

2 Peter 3:10-13

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
KJV

 

[Ahwatukee]

I respect and agree with your concern about not trusting numerology above the scriptures that are more plain in what they are saying. But I see nothing wrong with assuming they may be relevant helps in illustrating the scriptures. It's true they aren't as easy to understand as the plainly worded scriptures. We are always to trust the scriptures that are plain, more than our interpretations of the more difficult scriptures. But God has allowed difficult-to-understand statements to be in the Bible. Especially in the subject of the prophetic scriptures. And since He purposely allowed it, I think it doesn't upset God to see ones trying to figure out what they may mean.

I'll also add, that even without discussing numerology, my views on the subjects of (1) the 144,000 as referring to the total number of saints to be in heaven, and (2) The Lord's return being followed by removing all remaining saints and punishing the unbelievers, and then destroying the earth and universe, would be the same anyhow. Since I feel I've seen proof of these things in the scriptures.

In Revelation 7:1-8 we have a specific number mentioned which is 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes out of Israel equaling 144,000. This does not represent the church, but represents exactly who is referred to in the scripture which are Israelites.

Following the introduction of the 144,000, in Revelation 7:9-17 we have another group in white robes which no man can count from every nation, tribe, people and language, which would make them all Gentiles. The elder tells John that these are those who come out of the great tribulation, i.e. the great tribulation saints. This demonstrates that God means what He says by showing the difference between the two, i.e. 144,000 vs a great number which no man can count. Yet using numerology, you are changing the 144,000 to represent "the total number of saints in heaven." So there is a problem because numerology is overriding God's word and not making it clearer.

So we have a specific number of 144,000 Israelites and then we have a great number of Gentiles which no man can count. This demonstrates, as well as other scriptures, that God means what He says and that we can trust in His word regarding those numbers as being correct. When Lord said to Elijah "I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal" seven thousand is exactly what He meant. God uses these numbers as absolutes and therefore should not be changed through numerology or symbolization. In addition, In Revelation 20:1-7, we have a time period given of a thousand years in which Satan will be bound in the Abyss and is also the same time of Christ's kingdom on this present earth before it is destroyed. A thousand years is stated six times and we can therefore trust the scriptural number of a thousand years as being absolute.

You said above that "the 144,000 refers to the total number of saints to be in heaven." However, scripture states that just the great tribulation saints alone is a number which no man can count. And that's not including the OT saints and the church. The 144,000 will be the first-fruits out of Israel who will acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah and will be on the earth during the first part of the tribulation period. The word of God says that this group will be 144,000 Israelites, 12,000 from each tribe. Therefore, to use numerology to change that number to represent the total number of saints would be to trust in numerology instead of word of God. In addition, to make these changes would be in violation of the warning in Revelation 22:16

"I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book."

 

[Truth7t7]

Numerology NOPE..

Scripture should be interpreted by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.. Not numerology..

As for the 1000 years if you reads revelation it is clear where the Saints will be at the end of the 1000 years and it will not be in heaven..

Revelation 20: KJV
7 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, {8} And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. {9} And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. {10} And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Anyone reading this will see that the Saints will not be in heaven during the 1000 years they will be on earth and will be living around Jerusalem the beloved city..

Not one word of scripture supports the false claim, the Saints are upon this earth.

Satan is released from the "Spiritual" realm into this physical realm of earth, Revelation 16:12-17

Not one word states the righteous saints are upon this earth, "Not One"

The saints seen in Revelation 20:4-6 are "Souls" awaiting the "Last Day" resurrection

Satan is bound "Currently" from "One Specific Purpose" that is "Deceiving The Nations" Revelation 20:7 interprets this, deceive the nations to the final battle, as Satan is released into the realm of earth, as seen in Rev 16:12-17 below.

This takes place just prior to the second coming, as Rev 20:9 shows the last day judgement by the Lords fire at his appearance, 2 Peter 3:10-13 the Heavens and Earth are dissolved by this fire, Zech 14:12 as men are "Consumed"

Revelation 20:7-9KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Revelation 16:12-17 below is a parallel teaching of Rev 20:7-9, the 6th vial currently has Satan bound, at the end of the tribulation this vial will be poured out allowing Satan to perform God's will in "Deceiving The Nation" to the final battle, as the nation's are gathered by devil's going forth.

Revelation 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Truth7t7]

Interesting view point, have never seen that. I want to know more about what you believe

I will be more than happy to share my belief, as revealed to me by the Holy Spirit that indwells all the saved and chosen in Jesus Christ.

I will give a rough outline on my belief, I will outline it from a timeline of 70 weeks before the revealing of the Man of Sin in Jerusalem, feel free to ask all the questions you desire.

1.) Daniels 70 weeks as seen in Dan 9:24-27 is "Future" and represents 490 literal days, not years as is falsely taught by many.

When the command goes forth in Jerusalem to build the wall/street to Messiah the 70 week clock starts, in the final week the Man of Sin is revealed, the future 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

2.) At the start of the tribulation the "Two Witnesses" in Rev 11:1-15 will be revealed, I believe Enoch/Elijah who never experienced death, literally they will be in "Total Control" bringing all plagues as seen in the revelation as often as they will, a remake of Moses Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt.

3.) The "Sealed" Church will be present during the tribulation, divinely protected by God, just as the Hebrews in Egypt

4.) When the "Two Witnesses" are killed, and lay dead in the street, this marks the final days/hours of earths existence, as after 3.5 days they are raised, as the wrath of God begins to unfold, as the Church is instructed to enter their dwellings just as the Passover in Egypt as seen below in Isaiah 26:20-21

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

5.) At the end of the tribulation the world armies are gathered in Israel for Armageddon, Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement, as the resurrection of all takes place , the believer is raptured, as the Lord dissolves the heavens and earth by his fire, judgement is complete, as the New Heavens, Earth, Jerusalem, are revealed for eternity to the righteous, the lake of fire for the wicked, all in the twinkling of an eye.

 

[Truth7t7]

Not to mention the fact that Jesus said that those of the church who overcome will rule the nations with Him (Rev.2:26), as well as the 144,000/Male Child (Rev.12:5) and the resurrected great tribulation saints (Rev.20:4)

There is "One" future resurrection of all on "The Last Day"

All those who die in faith will partake in the "First Resurrection" unto eternal life.

The wicked partake in the "Second Resurrection" unto eternal damnation.

(The Last day Resurrection Of All)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

(The Last day Resurrection Of All)

John 6:40KJV
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[Truth7t7]

10 in the bible represents dominion, think of it like the 10 commandments have dominion over us. 10 X 10 X 10 is a threefold dominion. The dominion of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit of his people. So 10 thousand represents those that were under the law (Old Testament Saints) that also lived under the dominion of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit... AKA, the millennial reign of Christ.

It's your "Opinion" 10,000 means dominion and nothing more than opinion.

 

[Truth7t7]

Not to mention the fact that Jesus said that those of the church who overcome will rule the nations with Him (Rev.2:26), as well as the 144,000/Male Child (Rev.12:5) and the resurrected great tribulation saints (Rev.20:4)

You suggest that the righteous in Rev 2:26 that overcome will rule nations on this physical earth in a 1,000 year millennium?

The suggestion is false, as those righteous will rule "Nations" in the "Eternal Kingdom" where only the saved are present, whose names are written in the Lambs Book Of Life.

As clearly seen below, those that overcome and keep the Lords works "Unto The End"!

Revelation 2:26KJV
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

"The Saved Nations In The Eternal Kingdom"

Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[KJV1611]

It's your "Opinion" 10,000 means dominion and nothing more than opinion.

I didn’t say 10,000 means dominion.

 

[Adstar]

Not one word of scripture supports the false claim, the Saints are upon this earth.

Satan is released from the "Spiritual" realm into this physical realm of earth, Revelation 16:12-17

Not one word states the righteous saints are upon this earth, "Not One"

The saints seen in Revelation 20:4-6 are "Souls" awaiting the "Last Day" resurrection

Satan is bound "Currently" from "One Specific Purpose" that is "Deceiving The Nations" Revelation 20:7 interprets this, deceive the nations to the final battle, as Satan is released into the realm of earth, as seen in Rev 16:12-17 below.

This takes place just prior to the second coming, as Rev 20:9 shows the last day judgement by the Lords fire at his appearance, 2 Peter 3:10-13 the Heavens and Earth are dissolved by this fire, Zech 14:12 as men are "Consumed"

Revelation 20:7-9KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Revelation 16:12-17 below is a parallel teaching of Rev 20:7-9, the 6th vial currently has Satan bound, at the end of the tribulation this vial will be poured out allowing Satan to perform God's will in "Deceiving The Nation" to the final battle, as the nation's are gathered by devil's going forth.

Revelation 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

You even quoted the scripture that makes it clear the Camp of the Saints will be on the earth..

And i quote:: Purple colored text confirms the Saints will be on earth..

Revelation 20:7-9KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

I don't know why people just cannot seem to read the Bible for what it actually says.. They seem to be more Loyal to the doctrines they have recieved from preachers then to the actual Word of God..

 

[tourist]

Not to mention the fact that Jesus said that those of the church who overcome will rule the nations with Him (Rev.2:26), as well as the 144,000/Male Child (Rev.12:5) and the resurrected great tribulation saints (Rev.20:4)

The 144, 000 must be virgins too. Guess that counts me out. They're going to sing a new song. I don't sing too good either so it's probably a good thing that I won't be joining the choir.

 

[Nehemiah6]

They seem to be more Loyal to the doctrines they have recieved from preachers then to the actual Word of God..

Very true. The Bible is there for all to read and study, but first there must be a commitment to believe only Bible truth, not man-made doctrines. Which also places a responsibility on every Christian to not go beyond what Scripture reveals.

 

[Truth7t7]

You even quoted the scripture that makes it clear the Camp of the Saints will be on the earth..

And i quote:: Purple colored text confirms the Saints will be on earth..


I don't know why people just cannot seem to read the Bible for what it actually says.. They seem to be more Loyal to the doctrines they have recieved from preachers then to the actual Word of God..

I agree 100%, its you who dosent read the scripture and what is "Actually Said"

The scripture clearly shows the believers/saints below are "Souls" and "Dead" And you have them jumping out on earth with bodies, as the spiritual being satan is loosed into the realm of earth.

"That A Big Fairy Tale"!

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

In Revelation 7:1-8 we have a specific number mentioned which is 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes out of Israel equaling 144,000. This does not represent the church, but represents exactly who is referred to in the scripture which are Israelites.

Following the introduction of the 144,000, in Revelation 7:9-17 we have another group in white robes which no man can count from every nation, tribe, people and language, which would make them all Gentiles. The elder tells John that these are those who come out of the great tribulation, i.e. the great tribulation saints. This demonstrates that God means what He says by showing the difference between the two, i.e. 144,000 vs a great number which no man can count. Yet using numerology, you are changing the 144,000 to represent "the total number of saints in heaven." So there is a problem because numerology is overriding God's word and not making it clearer.

So we have a specific number of 144,000 Israelites and then we have a great number of Gentiles which no man can count. This demonstrates, as well as other scriptures, that God means what He says and that we can trust in His word regarding those numbers as being correct. When Lord said to Elijah "I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal" seven thousand is exactly what He meant. God uses these numbers as absolutes and therefore should not be changed through numerology or symbolization. In addition, In Revelation 20:1-7, we have a time period given of a thousand years in which Satan will be bound in the Abyss and is also the same time of Christ's kingdom on this present earth before it is destroyed. A thousand years is stated six times and we can therefore trust the scriptural number of a thousand years as being absolute.

You said above that "the 144,000 refers to the total number of saints to be in heaven." However, scripture states that just the great tribulation saints alone is a number which no man can count. And that's not including the OT saints and the church. The 144,000 will be the first-fruits out of Israel who will acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah and will be on the earth during the first part of the tribulation period. The word of God says that this group will be 144,000 Israelites, 12,000 from each tribe. Therefore, to use numerology to change that number to represent the total number of saints would be to trust in numerology instead of word of God. In addition, to make these changes would be in violation of the warning in Revelation 22:16

"I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book."

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I respect your view that the reference to the 44,000 refers to just the Jews. But it is not what I see it to mean, when comparing scriptures on the subject. We - who sincerely serve Christ, are called, spiritually speaking - "Jews" - in a number of verses in the New Testament. Below is a number of verses I've selected to illustrate my view, that the 44,000 refers to all of God's people throughout all of earth's history:

Verses on the sybmolic number of 44,000:
Rev 14:1
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
KJV
Rev 14:3

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
KJV

Rev 21:17

17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
KJV
Rev 21:24

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
KJV
Eph 2:19-22

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
KJV
Rom 2:29

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
KJV
Rom 4:17-18

17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations; according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
KJV
Gal 3:28-29

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV

 

[MyrtleTrees]

In Revelation 7:1-8 we have a specific number mentioned which is 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes out of Israel equaling 144,000. This does not represent the church, but represents exactly who is referred to in the scripture which are Israelites.

Following the introduction of the 144,000, in Revelation 7:9-17 we have another group in white robes which no man can count from every nation, tribe, people and language, which would make them all Gentiles. The elder tells John that these are those who come out of the great tribulation, i.e. the great tribulation saints. This demonstrates that God means what He says by showing the difference between the two, i.e. 144,000 vs a great number which no man can count. Yet using numerology, you are changing the 144,000 to represent "the total number of saints in heaven." So there is a problem because numerology is overriding God's word and not making it clearer.

So we have a specific number of 144,000 Israelites and then we have a great number of Gentiles which no man can count. This demonstrates, as well as other scriptures, that God means what He says and that we can trust in His word regarding those numbers as being correct. When Lord said to Elijah "I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal" seven thousand is exactly what He meant. God uses these numbers as absolutes and therefore should not be changed through numerology or symbolization. In addition, In Revelation 20:1-7, we have a time period given of a thousand years in which Satan will be bound in the Abyss and is also the same time of Christ's kingdom on this present earth before it is destroyed. A thousand years is stated six times and we can therefore trust the scriptural number of a thousand years as being absolute.

You said above that "the 144,000 refers to the total number of saints to be in heaven." However, scripture states that just the great tribulation saints alone is a number which no man can count. And that's not including the OT saints and the church. The 144,000 will be the first-fruits out of Israel who will acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah and will be on the earth during the first part of the tribulation period. The word of God says that this group will be 144,000 Israelites, 12,000 from each tribe. Therefore, to use numerology to change that number to represent the total number of saints would be to trust in numerology instead of word of God. In addition, to make these changes would be in violation of the warning in Revelation 22:16

"I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book."

The passage below is an example of the fact that numbers in the Bible don't always mean a literal, exact number:
1 Cor 4:15

15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
KJV

 

[MyrtleTrees]

10 in the bible represents dominion, think of it like the 10 commandments have dominion over us. 10 X 10 X 10 is a threefold dominion. The dominion of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit of his people. So 10 thousand represents those that were under the law (Old Testament Saints) that also lived under the dominion of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit... AKA, the millennial reign of Christ.

Interesting thought - hadn't thought of multiplying to end up with the number - 1000. However, though I respect your view on the millenium as to where it will take place - I don't see the scriptures - after comparing them on the subject - to be indicating that it will take place on earth, but rather in heaven. I see the 1000 number in this subject, to be symbolically referring to eternity - and all of God's people will spend an eternity with God in heaven.

As I said, many sincere Christians aren't able to agree on this and other prophetic parts of the Bible, as they are more difficult to understand. But the important thing is to end up in heaven. We are to prayerfully strive to interpret all of the scriptures as correctly as one finds possible, and anyone who doesn't do so hasn't fully surrendered His life to God.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

Numerology NOPE..

Scripture should be interpreted by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.. Not numerology..

As for the 1000 years if you reads revelation it is clear where the Saints will be at the end of the 1000 years and it will not be in heaven..

Revelation 20: KJV
7 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, {8} And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. {9} And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. {10} And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Anyone reading this will see that the Saints will not be in heaven during the 1000 years they will be on earth and will be living around Jerusalem the beloved city..

I respect your views on this subject, but I sincerely understand the subject differently because of what I've seen in the scriptures on the subject. I am not willingly trying to nullify any of the Bible. The fact is that many sincere, true Christians aren't able to agree on the meaning of the prophetic scriptures of the Bible. The reason for this, is that they are more difficult to understand. The important thing is to spend eternity with God and not in hell! Nothing so important as that. And when God's people get to heaven, they are give perfect understanding on all things:

1 Cor 13:12-13

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
KJV
Comment: There's nothing so important as our love towards God and our faithful obedience to Him in daily life, and regular, sincere repentance of all sin. The word, "Charity" in this verse illustrates love for God as being the very most important thing.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

Do you believe in future New Heavens, Earth, Jerusalem, Pearl gates, streets of gold, as seen in Revelation chapter 21?

Yes, I do, but I see the "new earth" as referring to just a different place to live - and that as being in heaven with God.

Rev 21:23-24

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
KJV

Rev 22:1-2
22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
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Rev 22:14-15

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
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Rev 22:1-3
22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
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[MyrtleTrees]

You've got it backwards. Jesus and the Father are in Heaven, but all peoples, nations, and languages are on earth. Therefore He comes from Heaven to earth as confirmed by numerous Scriptures.

I respect your views on the subject, but it is not what I see to be the case as described by the scriptures. Many true, sincere Christians are not able to agree on the meaning of the prophetic parts of the scriptures, because they are more difficult to understand. But the important thing is that they will spend a wonderful eternity with God.

Here are some verses that show that the saints will spend all eternity with God in heaven, rather than on earth:
Rev 22:1-3
22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
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Rev 22:14-15

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
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Rev 21:23-25

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
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[eternally-gratefull]

This is exactly the way that it is going down. Jesus is going to take the government upon His shoulders. The nations are on earth not in heaven that will be governed.

this is shown in the fact it is said the nations *families of the earth) will come to jerusalem once a year and whoever does not will be punished by no rain.

There is no sin or punishment in heaven