If a Sabbath is forced, Will you keep Sunday holy?

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wrote with God's finger on Sinai to Moses for the nation of Israel.

Israel only. was never a command for the whole world.
You need to look at the BIBLE A little closer,
GOD said that even Abraham Kept HIS COMMANDMENTS. AND THAT was about 400 years even before Moses was BORN,GOD LAW GO'S back MUCH farther than that, GOD says Abraham kept THEM SO that that means that they WAY WAY WAY BACK, And there was NO ISRAEL TILL after Abraham, FOR HIS son Isaac is where ISRAEL WAS STARTED,
 
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When it comes to looking at situations and what someone is saying, I try to be objective and look at things from that person’s point on view. This is very difficult, especially when I read a post that irritates me. But I try my best not to get emotional.

For me, real love requires sacrifice. If a friend goes out of their way and inconveniences themselves to do something for me, then I will conclude that that friend loves me more than any other friend.

Sabbath Keepers claim that they keep the Sabbath as a sign that they love God.

I have spoken with a couple of Seventh Day Adventists and asked about their activities on Saturday.
I came across someone who became a Seventh Day Adventist and they told me about the challenges that they face for keeping Saturday as the Sabbath. He explained that as soon as he became a Seventh Day Adventist, he lost his job because he worked shifts on Saturday, but soon afterwards God blessed him with a new job.
He also said that he missed a lot of family activities because most of the family activities happen on Saturday like birthday parties, barbeques and family gatherings. His family were unhappy that he had become a Seventh Day Adventist and were not willing to move any family activity to Sunday so that he can take part. He further said that some of his family members had rejected him and no longer wanted to speak to him.
He literally had to choose between going to church and worshipping God verses going to a family function on Saturday.
He also spoke about other inconveniences like having to take time off during the week to go to places that close on Sunday like the bank.

I speak for myself and say that I am not inconvenienced at all by going to church on Sunday. And it is not a sacrifice to attend church on Sunday. There is definitely a low risk of losing my job and being rejected by my family. And I will probably never have to face persecution if I continue to go to church on Sunday.

If it is true that the reason why Sabbath-Keepers keep the Sabbath on Saturday because they love God, then I have to be objective and say that they probably do love God and probably love God more than the rest of us because it is a sacrifice for them to keep the Sabbath on Saturday.
 

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That is NOT talking About the Sabbath that is in the commandments wrote with GOD'S finger.
That is talking About the sacrificial laws that was in the hand writings of Moses, As that SCRIPTURE that you got that from tells us, these are a different set of laws, that only lasted till JESUS went to the Cross and was nailed nto the Cross
COL 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
2:15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.
Galations 3:19 Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
I am in agreement with you as all of those ordinances and sacrificial laws that Moses issued and instituted do not apply to us as Christians today.
 

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No there is no day specific. Go on what day suits you.

My point is not about those who choose to but those who choose to impose it on everyone else via insisting that is what God commands, and that those who choose other wise are in violation of God.
I seriously frown upon those who imposed their interpretations of scripture on others as well, especially if they are blatantly false.
 
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When it comes to looking at situations and what someone is saying, I try to be objective and look at things from that person’s point on view. This is very difficult, especially when I read a post that irritates me. But I try my best not to get emotional.

For me, real love requires sacrifice. If a friend goes out of their way and inconveniences themselves to do something for me, then I will conclude that that friend loves me more than any other friend.

Sabbath Keepers claim that they keep the Sabbath as a sign that they love God.

I have spoken with a couple of Seventh Day Adventists and asked about their activities on Saturday.
I came across someone who became a Seventh Day Adventist and they told me about the challenges that they face for keeping Saturday as the Sabbath. He explained that as soon as he became a Seventh Day Adventist, he lost his job because he worked shifts on Saturday, but soon afterwards God blessed him with a new job.
He also said that he missed a lot of family activities because most of the family activities happen on Saturday like birthday parties, barbeques and family gatherings. His family were unhappy that he had become a Seventh Day Adventist and were not willing to move any family activity to Sunday so that he can take part. He further said that some of his family members had rejected him and no longer wanted to speak to him.
He literally had to choose between going to church and worshipping God verses going to a family function on Saturday.
He also spoke about other inconveniences like having to take time off during the week to go to places that close on Sunday like the bank.

I speak for myself and say that I am not inconvenienced at all by going to church on Sunday. And it is not a sacrifice to attend church on Sunday. There is definitely a low risk of losing my job and being rejected by my family. And I will probably never have to face persecution if I continue to go to church on Sunday.

If it is true that the reason why Sabbath-Keepers keep the Sabbath on Saturday because they love God, then I have to be objective and say that they probably do love God and probably love God more than the rest of us because it is a sacrifice for them to keep the Sabbath on Saturday.
First , On the FIRST STONE was the FIRST 4 commandments and are to GOD, And DOES show our love to GOD, BY keeping the first 4 COMMANDMENTS,
But on the second stone was the 6 commandments OF loving our fellow MAN, And to keep them is showing Our love for our fellow MAN,

YESUAH TELLS us that we suffer for HIS names sake, Yes you haft to give a few things up, to keep GOD's HOLY Sabbath, But that is just is part of the suffering that we haft to suffer for HIS names SAKE, Who is the most important GOD or FAMILY. this is were that stands,
Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to show unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Think about all that he suffered for US, So we should be willing to suffer also. HE suffered MUCH.
9:22 Saying, The Son of man must
suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

Hebrews 11:25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
11:26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompense of the reward. You HE was not the ONLY one that has suffered for OBEYING GOD'S WORD, THE BIBLE SAYS ALL THAT live GODLY shall SUFFER, as well as me also, BUT GOD is more important, OBEYING is love to GOD.

1 PETER
2:19 For this [is] thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
2:20 For what glory [is it], if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer [for it], ye take it patiently, this [is] acceptable with God.
2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
2:23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed [himself] to him that judgeth righteously:
2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.


2 TIM 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Matthew 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.
8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

1 Cor 4:12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
1 Cor 6:7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather [suffer yourselves to] be defrauded?
1 Cor 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it]. 2 Cor 1:6 And whether we be afflicted, [it is] for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, [it is] for your consolation and salvation.
Acts 5:41 And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name.
Phil 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
1:30 Having the same conflict which ye saw in me, and now hear [to be] in me.

2 THESS 1:5 [Which is] a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
1:6 Seeing [it is] a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

1 TIM 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
4:11 These things command and teach.
2 TIM 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with [him]: if we deny [him], he also will deny us:

1 PETER
3:14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy [are ye]: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
3:17 For [it is] better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

REV 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast [some] of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
 
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I am in agreement with you as all of those ordinances and sacrificial laws that Moses issued and instituted do not apply to us as Christians today.
It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come
The ten commandments laws are just as much our DUTY as they ever was, And always will be .
GOD bless as GOD sees GOOD for YOU
 

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It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come
The ten commandments laws are just as much our DUTY as they ever was, And always will be .
GOD bless as GOD sees GOOD for YOU
WE are in agreement on this as well. Let us go in peace now brother. :)
 

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When it comes to looking at situations and what someone is saying, I try to be objective and look at things from that person’s point on view. This is very difficult, especially when I read a post that irritates me. But I try my best not to get emotional.

For me, real love requires sacrifice. If a friend goes out of their way and inconveniences themselves to do something for me, then I will conclude that that friend loves me more than any other friend.

Sabbath Keepers claim that they keep the Sabbath as a sign that they love God.

I have spoken with a couple of Seventh Day Adventists and asked about their activities on Saturday.
I came across someone who became a Seventh Day Adventist and they told me about the challenges that they face for keeping Saturday as the Sabbath. He explained that as soon as he became a Seventh Day Adventist, he lost his job because he worked shifts on Saturday, but soon afterwards God blessed him with a new job.
He also said that he missed a lot of family activities because most of the family activities happen on Saturday like birthday parties, barbeques and family gatherings. His family were unhappy that he had become a Seventh Day Adventist and were not willing to move any family activity to Sunday so that he can take part. He further said that some of his family members had rejected him and no longer wanted to speak to him.
He literally had to choose between going to church and worshipping God verses going to a family function on Saturday.
He also spoke about other inconveniences like having to take time off during the week to go to places that close on Sunday like the bank.

I speak for myself and say that I am not inconvenienced at all by going to church on Sunday. And it is not a sacrifice to attend church on Sunday. There is definitely a low risk of losing my job and being rejected by my family. And I will probably never have to face persecution if I continue to go to church on Sunday.

If it is true that the reason why Sabbath-Keepers keep the Sabbath on Saturday because they love God, then I have to be objective and say that they probably do love God and probably love God more than the rest of us because it is a sacrifice for them to keep the Sabbath on Saturday.

Yes I lived in Buffalo Texas for around two years a little while after the incident at Waco with the Branch Davidians and met a few different members who participated in it's compound(so called). They themselves referred to it as "mount Carmel" and not a compound. It on the news was in Waco Texas but it was actually a little north/east of Waco in Axtell Texas in a low populated community but the news always said Waco. We would drive back and forth from Buffalo TX. to Mexia because it was the closest town to buy groceries from Buffalo TX.

Anyway the former members were scattered all around the area and because of the events they were frequently Identified as members of Mount Carmel by the people you worked with or in different other activities. The first one I met was a man about 65 who worked with my wife at the time. I suppose the media then as well as now would manipulate videos ect. in the news we saw on TV because he would often defend DK over the tape played where he said "I am God" saying that Koresh was preaching a sermon saying things like "if I created all creation then I am God and..." but the news didn't play the part before or after it.


I ended up meeting others though him and ask them about what happened and what they were doing at Mount Carmel. What they described was that because of their beliefs they were setting up a place where they could be self sufficient with food,electricity water ect... On the outside that seems simple but the more I spoke with them I realized it would be different because of their SDA type thinking.

The issue is that you cannot have the electricity turned on on Monday and off on Friday(before the Sabbath) nor other utilities so they were trying to begin at Mount Carmel(Axtell) building a community where they were in control of those things then buy the surrounding properties and spread out from there. The idea was that they then would not need to travel farther than a Sabbaths day journey,use their car(spark plugs/fire) nor would their servants(utility company workers ect.) be working to provide services on the Sabbath to them on the Sabbath ect.... And from that point they were going to hunt,fish and set themselves up in a position where they were safe when the MOS/OWG rose and tried to take these things from the world.

I suppose not all SDA's or the other off branches see this that way I notice that this thread was began on Friday at the beggining of the Sabbath and on Saturday(the Sabbath) those who are SDA's or branches of it were still posting throughout the Sabbath. So then it is curious the differences between them in how they see using their Computers,phones, electricity isp accounts ect. on the Sabbath verses not using them on the day of rest.
 

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You need to look at the BIBLE A little closer,
GOD said that even Abraham Kept HIS COMMANDMENTS. AND THAT was about 400 years even before Moses was BORN,GOD LAW GO'S back MUCH farther than that, GOD says Abraham kept THEM SO that that means that they WAY WAY WAY BACK, And there was NO ISRAEL TILL after Abraham, FOR HIS son Isaac is where ISRAEL WAS STARTED,

negative.

the hebrew word torah is not used for God's words to Abraham , the word is torat, i derivative of torah, meaning a set a commands.

language. try it sometime.
 

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I am beginning to think that Bud62's first language is not English. He has as much command of written English as Garee did... which is very little. He pays absolutely no attention to corrections either, which, sadly, makes him look like a buffoon.
 

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Well what are you going to say about when by the spirit, GOD warn him not to Go
And if that was so why did they haft to come together so they would know. no they came together to make A decision, so that wouldn't make since that they already know.
Acts 21:10-14
And as we tarried [there] many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus. And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver [him] into the hands of the Gentiles. And when we heard these things, both we, and they of that place, besought him not to go up to Jerusalem. Then Paul answered, What mean ye to weep and to break mine heart? for I am ready not to be bound only, but also to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus. And when he would not be persuaded, we ceased, saying, The will of the Lord be done.


Notice please it's the people concerned for Paul who warn him not to go. Not God telling him not to go.
Agabus the prophet tells him the Jews will bind him. He doesn't say "if" he goes. Clearly the prophet knows Paul will go and that it is the will of the LORD that he go.
 
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I seriously frown upon those who imposed their interpretations of scripture on others as well, especially if they are blatantly false.
I had originally addressed this to bud62 but he ignores me because it forces him to address his error.
 

posthuman

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Not really they just came together to make the right decisions, which they Did. GOD bless AS GOD sees GOOD
One of those 'right decisions' was not to impose the keeping of sabbath on Gentile believers.
 

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Acts 21:10-14
And as we tarried [there] many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus. And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver [him] into the hands of the Gentiles. And when we heard these things, both we, and they of that place, besought him not to go up to Jerusalem. Then Paul answered, What mean ye to weep and to break mine heart? for I am ready not to be bound only, but also to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus. And when he would not be persuaded, we ceased, saying, The will of the Lord be done.


Notice please it's the people concerned for Paul who warn him not to go. Not God telling him not to go.
Agabus the prophet tells him the Jews will bind him. He doesn't say "if" he goes. Clearly the prophet knows Paul will go and that it is the will of the LORD that he go.

Yes Agabus and Paul are saying Paul is being led to this and the others were trying to get him not to. Paul is obeying the Holy Spirit and Agabus is explaining what the Holy Spirit has Paul doing.
 
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As a new Believing member to CC, I am quite astonished at the way people disrespect each other here. People are voicing their individual journey’s with God, and when others don’t agree they shoot the person down.

Is this really a believers sight, because responses are no different from the worldly behaviours. There are so many instructions regarding these type of differences in the Word.I certainly don’t think the Lord wants us speaking to each other like this.
What happened to love? This should not be allowed On this platform
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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As a new Believing member to CC, I am quite astonished at the way people disrespect each other here. People are voicing their individual journey’s with God, and when others don’t agree they shoot the person down.

Is this really a believers sight, because responses are no different from the worldly behaviours. There are so many instructions regarding these type of differences in the Word.I certainly don’t think the Lord wants us speaking to each other like this.
What happened to love? This should not be allowed On this platform
Welcome to CC.
There are many here who would impose upon believers many false teachings. The others here correct their error. So why let it go on here? For people to learn by. To get people to study their Bible and examine their own beliefs. To challenge each other to grow.
 
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I am beginning to think that Bud62's first language is not English. He has as much command of written English as Garee did... which is very little. He pays absolutely no attention to corrections either, which, sadly, makes him look like a buffoon.
Along with his theological positions. He is exactly the kind that would burden down someone with legalism and condemnation.