If Jesus Intended for Christianity to be Exclusively a “Religion of the Book,” Why
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Re: If Jesus Intended for Christianity to be Exclusively a “Religion of the Book,” Wh
In the end, the understanding of "righteousness" will be flexible and men will do what seems right in their own eyes
In the end, will HE find faith?
in HIS elect, yes HE will
for they know what they need to "do" when the evil day comes
In the end, the understanding of "righteousness" will be flexible and men will do what seems right in their own eyes
In the end, will HE find faith?
in HIS elect, yes HE will
for they know what they need to "do" when the evil day comes
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I don't know if you are scorning the written WORD
Dont
and in the last days, it will be hard to find
i suggest you read and pray NOW that you will be able to discern lying spirits who will have much to say
there will be many of them in the last days offering "soothing words and promises"
Bind up THE TESTIMONY amongst MY DISCIPLES
and when they tell you to seek spirit should not a people consult their GOD
To the dead (spirits) for the LIVING (ONE)?
(Isaiah 8)
never!
there will be a lot of praying in the last days
I don't know if you are scorning the written WORD
Dont
and in the last days, it will be hard to find
i suggest you read and pray NOW that you will be able to discern lying spirits who will have much to say
there will be many of them in the last days offering "soothing words and promises"
Bind up THE TESTIMONY amongst MY DISCIPLES
and when they tell you to seek spirit should not a people consult their GOD
To the dead (spirits) for the LIVING (ONE)?
(Isaiah 8)
never!
there will be a lot of praying in the last days
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Re: If Jesus Intended for Christianity to be Exclusively a “Religion of the Book,” Wh
I think it's not wrong to say that the Scriptures were not meant to be read individually, outside the communion with other Jews (in case of the Hebrew Scriptures) or other Christians (in case of the Bible from Genesis to Revelations).
That is not to say that I am against reading the Bible!!!! (this one is not for you, trofimus, cause I know you don't misread me)
Also, in the Bible, we don't see God say: "Read, O Israel: The Lord is One", but "Hear, O Israel!"
I think it's not wrong to say that the Scriptures were not meant to be read individually, outside the communion with other Jews (in case of the Hebrew Scriptures) or other Christians (in case of the Bible from Genesis to Revelations).
That is not to say that I am against reading the Bible!!!! (this one is not for you, trofimus, cause I know you don't misread me)
Also, in the Bible, we don't see God say: "Read, O Israel: The Lord is One", but "Hear, O Israel!"
Re: If Jesus Intended for Christianity to be Exclusively a “Religion of the Book,” Wh
HIS WORD is a double edged sword!
because you mentioned "faith comerh by hearing"
and then you mentioned "Hear". Oh ISRAEL...
but we also know that, as per HIS WORD, HE also said through the prophet Isaiah, make the hearts of the people fat...be ever seeing but never seeing, ever hearing but never hearing
And through Jeremiah and Ezekiel, HE would make a NEW COVENANT, a NEW HEART and a NEW SPIRIT to know HIM
we can't lose sight that HE knows the hidden intents of the heart
and we know without faith it is impossible to please GOD for one would have to believe that HE exists and is a rewarder of all who diligently seek HIM
so to thise whose hearts intent is sonething orher than seeking THE TRUTH, it will be known. It will not be hidden from HIM
HIS WORD is a double edged sword!
because you mentioned "faith comerh by hearing"
and then you mentioned "Hear". Oh ISRAEL...
but we also know that, as per HIS WORD, HE also said through the prophet Isaiah, make the hearts of the people fat...be ever seeing but never seeing, ever hearing but never hearing
And through Jeremiah and Ezekiel, HE would make a NEW COVENANT, a NEW HEART and a NEW SPIRIT to know HIM
we can't lose sight that HE knows the hidden intents of the heart
and we know without faith it is impossible to please GOD for one would have to believe that HE exists and is a rewarder of all who diligently seek HIM
so to thise whose hearts intent is sonething orher than seeking THE TRUTH, it will be known. It will not be hidden from HIM
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Re: If Jesus Intended for Christianity to be Exclusively a “Religion of the Book,” Wh
The fact is that it was not given to individuals but to churches or namely to elders in churches. The question is if it was meant to stay that way or if it was just too expensive to copy...
All in all, we should study the Bible, knowing that we are not studying the Bible to know the Bible more but to know God more
The fact is that it was not given to individuals but to churches or namely to elders in churches. The question is if it was meant to stay that way or if it was just too expensive to copy...
All in all, we should study the Bible, knowing that we are not studying the Bible to know the Bible more but to know God more
K
Re: If Jesus Intended for Christianity to be Exclusively a “Religion of the Book,” Wh
Awww so close,you and I agreeing for once in another thread and disagreeing in this one.
It deeply concerns me what people place little importance on Gods Word. The Bible isn't "just" it is the Word of God. If the goal is Jesus why would we not cherish His every word to us? The goal is to read His word to us and become more like Him in doing so. How can one say the goal is not to follow the Bible when God says in the Bible that it clearly is?! The Bible admonishes us to follow His Words.
Think of it this way. A couple that love each other deeply are parted by war. The womans husband writes her as often as he can. Does she not cherish his every word to her? Does she not read his words again and again until he returns? Why would we not do the same for Christ who gave His life for us? Why would we not cherish His every word to us until his return? It makes no sense at all.
Awww so close,you and I agreeing for once in another thread and disagreeing in this one.
It deeply concerns me what people place little importance on Gods Word. The Bible isn't "just" it is the Word of God. If the goal is Jesus why would we not cherish His every word to us? The goal is to read His word to us and become more like Him in doing so. How can one say the goal is not to follow the Bible when God says in the Bible that it clearly is?! The Bible admonishes us to follow His Words.
Think of it this way. A couple that love each other deeply are parted by war. The womans husband writes her as often as he can. Does she not cherish his every word to her? Does she not read his words again and again until he returns? Why would we not do the same for Christ who gave His life for us? Why would we not cherish His every word to us until his return? It makes no sense at all.
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There's not much of anything be said from those folks who believe not in the verifiable, inspired word of God. They just need to come out of their religious catacombs and say what they believe.
That ain't going to happen.
Me thinks people love their cathedrals and manmade traditions more than they love God and His word.
(It was a lovely morning until I got to reading the posts!)
There's not much of anything be said from those folks who believe not in the verifiable, inspired word of God. They just need to come out of their religious catacombs and say what they believe.
That ain't going to happen.
Me thinks people love their cathedrals and manmade traditions more than they love God and His word.
(It was a lovely morning until I got to reading the posts!)
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Disagreement does not matter if we are civil to each other.
In your example the woman has nothing else than the letter. She is truly separated from her husband.
But we have Christ inside us and seen in everything He created. He is between two or three who meet in His name. He is not far away from any of us.
I am not saying that the Bible is of a little importance. I am saying that the Bible is a helper, not a goal of our life. He will not ask "how many times have you read the Bible in your life" but "have you lived it?"
Disagreement does not matter if we are civil to each other.In your example the woman has nothing else than the letter. She is truly separated from her husband.
But we have Christ inside us and seen in everything He created. He is between two or three who meet in His name. He is not far away from any of us.
I am not saying that the Bible is of a little importance. I am saying that the Bible is a helper, not a goal of our life. He will not ask "how many times have you read the Bible in your life" but "have you lived it?"
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GuessWho, Could Philemon read the letter that Paul wrote to him? How about Timothy and Titus? Did they need to first summons other believers and then read the letters?
Also, in the bible, we don't see God say: "Read, O Israel: The Lord is One, but Hear, O Israel!"
A bit sly. You were avoiding...we don't READ!
GuessWho, Could Philemon read the letter that Paul wrote to him? How about Timothy and Titus? Did they need to first summons other believers and then read the letters?
Also, in the bible, we don't see God say: "Read, O Israel: The Lord is One, but Hear, O Israel!"
A bit sly. You were avoiding...we don't READ!
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Where do you READ that? Don't throw out verses for me to check, I'm here by myself and if you agree with Guesswho, then you'll understand why I shouldn't read the bible by myself. Maybe.
Now you wouldn't dare ask me to do something you believed was wrong, would you?
Besides, Guesswho made the statement. My question was address to her or him. That name ought to be changed to Guesswhat. As in GuessWhat I believe?
Where do you READ that? Don't throw out verses for me to check, I'm here by myself and if you agree with Guesswho, then you'll understand why I shouldn't read the bible by myself. Maybe.
Now you wouldn't dare ask me to do something you believed was wrong, would you?
Besides, Guesswho made the statement. My question was address to her or him. That name ought to be changed to Guesswhat. As in GuessWhat I believe?
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Besides, they are three individuals. Guesseverything/Guesswhat/Guesswho said the scriptures were not meant to be read by individuals. Period. They are individuals. They couldn't read the letters unless there was a group.
Besides, they are three individuals. Guesseverything/Guesswhat/Guesswho said the scriptures were not meant to be read by individuals. Period. They are individuals. They couldn't read the letters unless there was a group.
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I think Catholicism runs all through several posts in this thread.
Scriptures not meant to be read by individuals.
If the majority of Catholics would learn the bible, the truth, Catholicism would collapse. Keep the commoners in the dark.
I think it's not wrong to say that the Scriptures ....
What is that? Another Guesswho and Guesswhat form.
Just say: I think it is right to say that the Scriptures....
I think....
Well GuessWhat, I KNOW it is right to say your THINK is not the authority. God's word is.
I think Catholicism runs all through several posts in this thread.
Scriptures not meant to be read by individuals.
If the majority of Catholics would learn the bible, the truth, Catholicism would collapse. Keep the commoners in the dark.
I think it's not wrong to say that the Scriptures ....
What is that? Another Guesswho and Guesswhat form.
Just say: I think it is right to say that the Scriptures....
I think....
Well GuessWhat, I KNOW it is right to say your THINK is not the authority. God's word is.
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You can check "The History of the Church", for example... or there is a note that Timothy is teaching others in one of the letters to him...
Do you agree that the purpose of the Bible is to know God? That the reading of the Bible is not the ultimate goal of our life?
You can check "The History of the Church", for example... or there is a note that Timothy is teaching others in one of the letters to him...
Do you agree that the purpose of the Bible is to know God? That the reading of the Bible is not the ultimate goal of our life?
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You can't read the bible unless others present!
Maybe I'm stupid. But I figure if you can't read the bible alone, then you can't meditate upon it when you're alone. Can't teach it to an individual unless another believer is present.
The problem with the Guesses and the Trofimusess is they practice what they teach. They don't read the bible by themselves. That's sad. They remain blind. Sad.
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You can't read the bible unless others present!
Maybe I'm stupid. But I figure if you can't read the bible alone, then you can't meditate upon it when you're alone. Can't teach it to an individual unless another believer is present.
The problem with the Guesses and the Trofimusess is they practice what they teach. They don't read the bible by themselves. That's sad. They remain blind. Sad.
(If anyone replies to this post with Reply With Quote and begins with Yes. I don't mind. Maybe I'm stupid...Yes,...)