Im looking for a church that believes what i do

suaso · May 12, 2009

hahaha

I was joking about that one, but there was no sarcasm font...

Piano_hero · May 13, 2009

"if he was just a man he could not die for our sins? where does the Bible say that ? the messiah has not come? teh messiah is a human , not God. The messiah by DEFINITION cant be God . you must not know what messiah means, or that the BIbel has MANY messiahs in it and none of the others were God either]. "it is clear that the christ has come" ,the OT never said that teh messiah would be born of a virgin] or that he would b ecrucified adn ressurect .

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
Psa 22:2 O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
Psa 22:3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
Psa 22:4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
Psa 22:5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
Psa 22:6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
Psa 22:7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
Psa 22:8 He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
Psa 22:9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
Psa 22:10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
Psa 22:11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
Psa 22:12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
Psa 22:13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
Psa 22:14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
Psa 22:15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
Psa 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
Psa 22:17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
Psa 22:18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
Psa 22:19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
Psa 22:20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
Psa 22:21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
Psa 22:22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.
Psa 22:23 Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.
Psa 22:24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.
Psa 22:25 My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.
Psa 22:26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.
Psa 22:27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
Psa 22:28 For the kingdom is the LORD'S: and he is the governor among the nations.
Psa 22:29 All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.
Psa 22:30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
Psa 22:31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.

Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
WOW Jesus actually Quoted the OT!!!!!!!
Isa 8:8 And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel.
Now read this one Reaaaaal close...........
Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
Isa 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
Isa 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
Isa 28:19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
Isa 28:20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.
Isa 28:21 For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.

mâshîyach
maw-shee'-akh
From H4886; anointed; usually a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint); specifically the Messiah: - anointed, Messiah.
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

typcially a prophesy is spoken of in a future tense . the word translated as "virgin" in Isaiah means young woman but im sure you already knew that so i dont even know why were having this discussion . you made it sound like you though tbeing christ or messiah maen tbeing God. but im glad to know that you knwo the definition of a chrsit and it is a man that God chooses and annoints , such as moses and even cyrus who is called messiah . by definition a christ has to be a man . God annoints a christ .

NoahsDad · May 13, 2009

Mat 22:42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.
Mat 22:43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Mat 22:45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
Mat 22:46 And no man was able to answer him

This passage is expressly referred to the Messiah by several of the Jews. Rabbi Joden says, "In the world to come, the Holy Blessed God shall cause the king Messiah to sit at his right hand, as it is written, The Lord said to my Lord," etc. So Rabbi Moses Hadarson; and Saadias Gaon says, "This is Messiah our righteousness, as it is written, The Lord said to my Lord," etc

Psa 110:1 <A Psalm of David.> The LORD(
יהוה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.)
said unto my Lord(
אדן אדון
'âdôn 'âdôn
aw-done', aw-done'
From an unused root (meaning to rule); sovereign, that is, controller (human or divine): - lord, master, owner. Compare also names beginning with "Adoni-").
, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Psa 110:2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
Psa 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
Psa 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
Psa 110:5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
Psa 110:6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.
Psa 110:7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head
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Psa 8:1 <To the chief Musician upon Gittith, A Psalm of David.> O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.
H1935
הוד
hôd
hode
From an unused root; grandeur (that is, an imposing form and appearance): - beauty, comeliness, excellency, glorious, glory, goodly, honour, majesty.
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.

tonga · May 26, 2009

Piano_hero said:

There is no reason not to go to a synagogue if you wish. However, you should let them
know that you are not Jewish so that they do not count you as part of a minyon, nor
call you to the Torah.

You should wear a yarmulke but not a tallis (prayer shawl).

tonga · May 26, 2009

tonga said:

PS, because I was too slow to edit my previous post:

Messianic "synagogues" are almost always overwhelmingly gentile. Most have come out of Protestant churches, so their
beliefs will align to a great degree with their upbringing. Thus they are likely to believe that Jesus is G-d, and to believe
in the Trinity.....but not all do.

missy2shoes · May 26, 2009

In response to the title of this thread.........Jesus is coming back for a bride who believes what He does..............

swat4christ · May 27, 2009

Piano_hero said:

Where to begin. Even though BLASPHEMY can take a number of forms, there are two fundamental characteristics that will ALWAYS QUALIFY as blasphemy. One, claiming to be GOD and/or accepting worship as God. Two, claiming that you have the authority to forgive sins, an authority that solely resides within God‘s Own Sovereignty. Now, I don’t know if you accept the Scriptures as the absolute authority in your life. If you don’t, what I am about to say will matter little to you. If you do, maybe what follows will help. I will start by saying that your biggest challenge isn’t what church to go to. Your biggest challenge is by your own testimony you reject the Divinity of Christ - a rejection that is spiritually and eternally tragic. Since I don’t know your position on the Scriptures, I will be brief - however, if necessary and if wanted, I will present you with a much more comprehensive and detailed approach to this answer.

First: In John 20:28, the Bible says, “And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.” After Jesus Christ's resurrection, Thomas proclaims Him to be Lord and God! What's more, Jesus never rebukes Thomas, or anyone for that matter, for worshipping Him! If Jesus wasn't God, and yet He willingly received worship as God, that would make Him a crazed liar and blasphemer! Therefore He couldn’t be God’s anointed (Christ), or a prophet, or even a good man. He would have been a godless blasphemer worthy of death! Further, Jesus said, “If you have seen me you have seen the Father.” Jesus said, “I and my Father are one.” And on, and on, and on. Additionally, in John 1:1-5 the Bible declares that Jesus Christ was God (verse 1). In Colossians 1:15-17 the Scriptures tell us that Jesus Christ is the Creator God of Genesis Chapter One. And this just scratches the surface of the Scriptural evidence for the Deity of Jesus Christ.

Second: In Mark 2:1-7 we find Jesus Christ forgiving a man’s sins (verse 5) and in verse 7 you can see the reaction of some of the leaders known as scribes - I will quote verse 7: “Why doth this man speak BLASPHEMIES? Who can forgive sins but GOD ONLY?” (all caps emphasis is mine.) These Jewish religious leaders, who were educated in Scriptural matters, understood correctly that it was blasphemy to claim to be able to forgive sins - as you were placing yourself in the role as God! Again, if Jesus Christ was not God, as He Himself claimed to be - and as an abundance of other Scriptures claim Him to be - He was a charlatan, a deceiver, and of all men most evil.

But again, the Lord knows I am speaking reverently. Because there is no doubt in anyone’s mind who has given themselves to a careful and diligent study of the Scriptures that Jesus Christ was God manifest in the flesh - as told us in 1Tmothy 3:16. I hope this helps. I will be more than happy to provide more answers if desired.

eric51 · May 27, 2009

swat4christ said:

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You are certainly correct. There is no question in Scripture, Tradition or in Church Teaching, that Jesus is God.

Here are scripture references in which Jesus Himself, makes that claim:
Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12 - Jesus tells satan, "you shall not tempt the Lord your God" in reference to Himself.

Matt. 5:21-22; 27-28; 31-32; 33-34; 38-39; 43-44 - Jesus makes Himself equal to God when He declares, "You heard it said...but I say to you.."
Matt. 7:21-22; Luke 6:46 - not everyone who says to Jesus, "Lord, Lord." Jesus calls Himself Lord, which is God.

Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20; 7:48 - Jesus forgives sins. Only God can forgive sins.
Matt. 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5 - Jesus says that He is "Lord of the Sabbath." He is the Lord of God's law which means He is God.

Luke 8:39 - Luke reports that Jesus said "tell how much God has done for you." And the man declared how much Jesus did.
Luke 17:18 - Jesus asks why the other nine lepers did not come back to give praise to Him, God, except the Samaritan leper.

Luke 19:38,40 - Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord. If these were silent, the very stones would cry out.

John 5:18 - Jesus claimed to be God. The Jews knew this because Jesus called God His Father and made Himself equal to God. This is why Jesus was crucified.
John 5:21-22 - Jesus gives life and says that all judgment has been given to Him by the Father.

John 5:23 - Jesus equates Himself with the Father, "whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him."

John 6:38 - Jesus says, "For I have come down from heaven."
John 8:12 - Jesus says "I am the light of the world." - 1 John 1:5 - God is light and in him there is no darkness at all.

John 8:19 - Jesus says, "if you knew me, you would know my Father also."

John 8:23 - Jesus says that He is not of this world. Only God is not of this world.
John 8:58 - Jesus says, "Before Abraham was, I AM." Exodus 3:14 - "I AM" means "Yahweh," which means God.

John 10:18 - Jesus says He has the power to lay down His life and take it up again - Gal. 1:1 - God raised Jesus to life.
John 10:30 - Jesus says, "I and the Father are one." They are equal. The Jews even claimed Jesus made Himself equal to God. Jesus' statement in John 14:28, "the Father is greater than I," cannot contradict John 10:30 (the Word of God is never in conflict). Jesus' statement in John 14:28 simply refers to His human messianic role as servant and slave, which He, and not the Father or the Holy Spirit, undertook in the flesh.

John 14:6 - Jesus says "I am the way, and the truth and the life." Only God is the way, the truth and the life.
John 16:15 - Jesus says, "all things that the Father has are Mine." Jesus has everything God has which makes Him God.

Those are just some. There are many more, but posting them all is tiring.

Amen.

MaggieMye · May 28, 2009

I don't have time to read all of the postings, but did read the leading post. Do READ your Bible?
If so, check out Hebrews 2:14-18 which tells WHY Jesus had to suffer every single thing that common man does.
However, The MAJOR QUESTION IS THIS: Are you looking for a church that believes as you do so you can be Comfortable and not challenged?? OR Are you looking for a church that teaches true Biblical truth so that you can walk in the destiny that Creator God planned for you from before the beginning of creation?? There is a huge difference here! One way leads to religiousity and death and the other leads to life, freedom and anointing to do His will.
Did it occur to you that you might have an unteachable spirit hanging around your head? It is a thing allowed by human pride and it causes a person to seek only what they want rather than what God has for them....it causes them to reject correction, time and again, because they see themselves as being correct, despite the efforts of others to show them through scripture that they are wrong.
No, Trinity is not a word that is in the Bible. The word 'trinity' is a CONCEPT of understanding. ..no different really, that when someone says "I've gotten myself into a pickle!". Is the person really inside of a pickle?? NO! It is an UNDERSTANDING THAT they are in a difficult place in their life. Trinity is an UNDERSTANDING that because of Jesus' own word of He being one with the Father, that they are indeed ONE and the SAME:
Read:
Rom 9:5, Isa 43:13
Deut 32: 18, 2 Sam 22:2, 47;Ps 31:3, 94:22
Is 17:10, 44:8, 44:24; Mt 7:24; Mt 16:18; 1
Cor 10:14; Is 45:21b, 48:11 along with Rev 1:8 & 22:13;
Is 49:26, Eph 5:15; Is 60:16b.
As you can see from these verses ( And I'm sure there are others!) the truth of Jesus BEING GOD is stated repeatedly throughout His Written word.
You don't need a church that will ENABLE YOU to continue in error just so you can be 'comfortable...useless to the Kngdom of God, but comfortable, you NEED A CHURCH THAT TEACHES THE TRUTH OF GODS WORD...UNCONDITIONALLY!
Maggie

sab · May 30, 2009

I've been married for 26 years and last month my husband totally surprised me by saying he didn't believe the trinity or that Jesus was God. I had always taken it as a given as the moment I was filled with the Spirit I knew that I'd found God and surprised to realise the God I'd been searching for was Christ. I came to that conclusion by my experience - I had never thought to prove it from scripture until my husband said that to me.

Anyway it wasn't very difficult to find a number of passages - particularly in the Old Testament. Here are a couple

Zech 1:1 The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:
Zech 12:2 "Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem.

Zech 12:10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for [his] only [son], and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.

Throughout Zechariah 12 The LORD (Yahveh) is using I and then in verse 10 He says they shall look on ME whom they pierced.

In Zechariah 14:3-4

3.Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. (The LORD is Yahveh)

4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, [Making] a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south. (This is the return of Christ to the Mt of Olives).

Also last week I happened to be reading "No Compromise" Keith Green's biography. He also struggled with the idea of Christ as God until someone pointed out Hebrews 1:8 But to the Son [He says]: "Your throne, O God, [is] forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness [is] the scepter of Your kingdom.

Here God is saying to the Son , "Your throne O God ".

Despite being a Christian for many years my husband hadn't really seen those verses and after about a week he concluded that the scriptures supported the deity of Christ.

leendert · May 30, 2009

NoahsDad said:

nope we as adventists believe that Jesus is also God .We also believe in the trinity.But i would encourage you to come to our church though because naturally i believe we are right lol !

leendert · May 30, 2009

Piano_hero said:

Piano hero we as Seventh Day Adventists do keep the law of God .All ten of the commandments.We do keep the sabbath as God commanded sunset friday to sunset saturday.On that day we spend time with God ,we do not work or do any business we keep the weekly sabbath as God intended.Someone gave you the wrong info.Go to any SDA website or church and rather get it from the horses mouth

lil-rush · May 30, 2009

oye. nevermind

lil-rush · May 30, 2009

leendert said:

That's not exactly keeping the Law in full totality. Following the 10 commandments is what any Christian is taught to do. The Law consists of way more than 10 commandments, however.

worldlover · May 30, 2009

Piano_hero said:

I cant find a church that believes what i do so i am forced to attend churches and hide my beliefs so i dont get banned . I believe that Jesus is the son of God and was anointed of God and died and resurrected , and i believe in baptism , however, i dont believe in a trinity or that Jesus was God (since he was born, died ,was tempted by sin ,didnt know the hour, learned and grew in wisdom, was filled with the Holy Spirit in teh desert, said teh Father was greater then him , feared , had his own will separate from that of Gods (let your will be done and not mine) , was a man , etc) , and i know that the Jehovah witness' also believe that, but they also have some strange beliefs about wearing suits , about jesus being michael the angel , and about only 144,000 peopel TOTAL being saved . there are actually MANY things i disagree with them about . So is there a church where chrsitians are encouraged to keep Law , believe Jesus was anointed of God but that Jesus was not God etc ? If i go to a jewish synagogue id get kicked for believing in Jesus , so i cant win anywhere

finding a chruch is easy the only problem that's left is whom do you really believe. i advice you to know what's inside your heart if you claim GOD then you should follow him church is not an assurance of salvation, it's all about what you believed in.

jaylynn83 · May 30, 2009

I wonder if anyone realizes this guy got banned

MahogonySnail · May 30, 2009

oh... i wonder why.. it's ironic... in his first line he said:

I cant find a church that believes what i do so i am forced to attend churches and hide my beliefs so i dont get banned

jaylynn83 · May 30, 2009

uhhhhh HUH

leendert · Jun 1, 2009

lil-rush said:

That's not exactly keeping the Law in full totality. Following the 10 commandments is what any Christian is taught to do. The Law consists of way more than 10 commandments, however.[/quoteTrue .The ten commandments points back to creation(see the fourth one)The rest of the law pointed forward to Jesus as our saviour and the whole temple service ,demonstrated the redemption plan God had for mankind.This is the law nailed to the cross.The ten commandments however is a everlasting covenant with God and His poeple.If i were to offer a lamb,for example that would mean i dont accept the perfect offer of Jesus.And by the way talk to christians today and they will say you are not supposed to keep any law!

lil-rush · Jun 1, 2009

leendert said:

Every Christian I have ever known is taught to keep the ten commandments. Sure they may not consider it part of the Law in the historical sense, but they still feel an obligation to keep the ten commandments.

What I want to know, is why the ten commandments alone? Why not all the moral laws? To name a few scripture references: Exodus 22:16- 31; Leviticus 18:6-24; Leviticus 19:3-4, 9-18, 20, 29-36; Leviticus 23:3. What makes the ten commandments so much more morally important than the other moral laws?

How do the ten commandments point foward to "Jesus as our savior and the whole temple service, demonstrated the redemption plan God had for mankind"? And why is it the ten commandments alone that are an everlasting covenant with God and His people? Furthermore I just have to say, what?

The main two covenants I can think of are between God and Avraham, promising Avraham he will be the father of a great nation. The other one I am thinking of is the covenant between God and Yisrael in which He basically says they are his chosen people and that if they keep His commandments (ie, the 613 mitvot. Not the 10 commandments) that they will be blessed and prosper, but if they do not they will be cursed. ...yes, I know there are other covenants God made. Such as with Noah and David, but I have a feeling those are not the ones you are referring to. No where in the Bible can I see where God says it is the ten commandments alone that create a covenant between Him and His people.

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