Interesting question: According to scripture alone, what is "the Lord's day" (Revelation 1:10)?

[WithinReason]

Very good point, Absolutely. John was a Jew, so it wasn't like he didn't know what the Sabbath was.

Indeed, since John was a Jew, he would very much know about Isaiah 58:13, and from the context of Revelation, he was citing OT prophets. See previous post.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The verse says. "the curse of the Law" not that the law was a curse.
The Law was not a curse. It carried a curse if one did not keep it. Big difference

What you have said above is very true. So, my question to you is, when has anyone been able to keep the whole law? That would be, never! Therefore the law is a curse to every human being, because we could not and cannot keep it. If you go back and read my post, I said that "the law is holy and righteous, but mankind could not keep it." And since we cannot keep it because of our sinful nature, then it is always a curse to us. Because of this, Satan and the powers of darkness used the law against us. I was their ammunition against us. Because we can't keep the law it condemns us. But Jesus as a man kept it. Jesus freed every believer from the law by fulfilling it as a man. By having faith in Him, the law has been fulfilled on our behalf. The same is true regarding God's wrath which continues to rest upon all of those who are without faith. Jesus took upon himself God's wrath which every believer deserves, satisfying it completely, which as the scripture says, "we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath" because Jesus already did. In the same way, scripture says that the wages/reward for sin is death. As the scripture states, Jesus suffered death, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone."

Jesus accomplished everything in the flesh on our behalf, freeing us from condemnation and wrath. When we believed, we were credited with the righteousness of Christ and reconciled to God.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Yes. I did.

I did no such thing. Please re-read what I have stated. I stated that Irenaeus, Pseudo Barnabas, Justin Martyr, and the so-called 'ecf' (easily confused fellows) are such in specific example as stated here - https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ords-day-revelation-1-10.190829/#post-4189312

I stated that the true words of God are found in the real Patriarchs of scripture, and stated, "... like John, James and Peter and Paul, and even further back unto Abraham, Moses, David, and those like them, and have those "fathers" tell us, as mouthpieces for God. ..."

You have a confusion about what I have stated, even plainly.

No, of course I do not throw out a single book of scripture, of which there are 66, as defined by scripture (Genesis to Revelation).

That is a long study, not really germane to this present OP, but if you would like I will share in this thread about it as needful. It is how I know that Revelation is scripture, while Pseudo-Barnabas, and co-called 'Enoch' and Shepherd of Hermes and Maccabees (apocrypha), etc are not scripture.

Please re-read what I have stated - carefully in the link provided.

You wrote a novel there, I guess I missed the context of some of it. I'm glad ya ain't dismissing scripture. That would be tragic, and all to common around here.
Thank you for answering my questions.

 

[Ahwatukee]

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[Ahwatukee]

Indeed, since John was a Jew, he would very much know about Isaiah 58:13, and from the context of Revelation, he was citing OT prophets. See previous post.

You know very well that my point is that John would have called it the Sabbath and not the Lord's Day. You're just mincing words.

Israel = Sabbath

The Sabbath being apart of the law, no work was to be done. It was a legal day of rest. Anyone who did not keep the Sabbath was to be cut off from Israel. - Exod.31:14

Church = The Lord's Day

An observance by the church in recognition of the day Christ was resurrected, the Lord's day, which was the first day of the week.

 

[garee]

Feel free to consider this image:


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The phrase "the Lord's day" is not the "final day" (aka Day of the Lord), as that was already addressed, way back here, near the beginning of the OP:

"... The word "κυριακη" (translit. "kuriake") is an Adjective - Dative - Singular - Feminine. This means it is being used as a 'possessive' ("of", see 1 Corinthians 11:20, "the Lord's supper"), which means the "day" in context belongs to "the Lord". It is literally "the Lord's (belonging to) day". This means, that the "day" in context is uniquely "the Lord's" out of all the 7 days of the week, for the day under consideration is that which exists within the week, as a day which repeats weekly. This is extremely important, as those who incorrectly assume it to mean "the first [day] of the week" in lieu of Jesus' resurrection, cannot get a weekly occurrence out of a one-time event, in fulfilment of typology of the Firstfruit/Wavesheaf in Leviticus 23:9-14, as made known in 1 Corinthians 15:20,23.​

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This is not as the phrase "day of the Lord" (ἡμέρα κυρίου) which is written in the genitive masculine case (see 2 Peter 3:10, etc, and also so called septuaginta uses). ..." - https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ords-day-revelation-1-10.190829/#post-4189306​

The two phrases are completely differing and refer to two differing things:

[1] τη κυριακη ημερα - the 7th day of the week​

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[2] ἡμέρα κυρίου - the final 'day' (1000 years with the Lord) of the Cosmic week​

This difference is seen throughout all the OT and NT passages, in Hebrew and koine Greek.

Revelation 1:10, in its own immediate context, does not refer to John being in the final 'day', as the vision John was given encompasses much more than the final 'day'.

Age of the Earth

The Redemption of the Creation – 7000 Years And The Everlasting Gospel (Powerpoint)

7000 Year Plan Of The Everlasting Gospel – Bible & Historical Quotations (PDF)

"... The phrase “the day of the Lord” [Isaiah 2:12, 13:6,9, 34:8; Jeremiah 46:10; Lamentations 2:22; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31, 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 1:15; Zephaniah 1:7,8,14,18, 2:2,3; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi 4:5; Acts 2:20; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 2 Corinthians 1:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Peter 3:10], is a direct reference to the “thousand years” [Revelation 20:2,3,4,5,6,7, see also Isaiah 24:22, “many days”], which is the final “day”, the 7th day – the great Sabbath, of the great week “with the Lord” [2 Peter 3:8]. ..." - https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...on-20-and-the-1000-years.190804/#post-4188761

Feel free to consider the remaining at that link, also feel free to peruse the following:

Armageddon & The Seven Last Plagues (Powerpoint)

The Millennium & The Final Revelation (Powerpoint)

That's interesting the word thousand is used as a metaphor to represent a unknown to whatever is in view. It stands to reason to be used as the last day .the day the lord rested . Rest is sabbath.

Time elements like the word "week" have been added to the word rest (sabbath) in the new testament making its intended use (Hebrew 4) as daily constant.(today) with effect. Last day, the day of the Lord one and the same. . the end or last day of a signified thousand years

In that way today is the day of rest until the last day under the sun .Then there will be no more work as a wage of sin and no night.

 

[p_rehbein]

I cited the person (on the OP) who chooses to remain anonymous at present, when I wrote:

"Here is what someone has presented from the scriptures itself:"​

That "someone" may be me, or it may not. This is the age of the internet, where everything written does not carry a persons signature, or even time of origin. If it is me, I am not telling you. It is irrelevant to the material presented. Deal with facts. Jesus did not go around saying, "Whose doctrine is this ... or who stated that ...", that was something the Pharisees did (see them sending to John, to Jesus, to Peter, to Paul, etc).

From mine own perspective, I do not care who wrote or said something. I only care does it agree with God in His word.

I gave you the source as the source desires to be identified - "someone".

All appropriate citations are given, by links to those which desire to be identified.

Why is it relevant to the issue of the OP?

The OP stands at present as unrefuted, and from this position at present, unrefutable. Thank you for your true concern. My concern is what saith the LORD, as the OP gives.

anonymous as a Source really isn't acceptable for me. Just imagine if God, Christ, or even the Disciples had decided to remain anonymous when presenting the Gospel.

Now, concerning the Lords Day as you are presenting it, IF you are saying that ALL Christians should be worshiping God on Saturday as the only Biblical day of worship, then yeah, I refute that. Honestly, you guys are really, really gonna be so very upset on the day you stand before the Judgement Seat.............

THE LAW SAVES NOT ONE PERSON...........IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO. The reason folks who try to live the Law don't understand this is that they have NEVER experienced the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit and have no understanding of the New Covenant, Grace established by Jesus Christ........... I truly feel sorry for folks like this

 

[WithinReason]

anonymous as a Source really isn't acceptable for me.

So don't accept it, but it's all you're getting.

 

[WithinReason]

THE LAW SAVES NOT ONE PERSON

Agreed.

...........IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO

Agreed.

Next. Back to OP.

 

[garee]

You know very well that my point is that John would have called it the Sabbath and not the Lord's Day. You're just mincing words.

Israel = Sabbath

The Sabbath being apart of the law, no work was to be done. It was a legal day of rest. Anyone who did not keep the Sabbath was to be cut off from Israel. - Exod.31:14

Church = The Lord's Day

An observance by the church in recognition of the day Christ was resurrected, the Lord's day, which was the first day of the week.

The word sabbath loses its value when it is used as a time element. It means rest with no other meaning added.

Israel = born again believers. . the church.

Rest = the last day, the day Jesus promised he would finish that which he has begun as we are yoked with him. we have that treasure in these bodies of corruption.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

In that way he is the day as the bright and morning star.

Sabbath (rest) = Today, Last day, day of the lord, day of Jesus, end of the world, latter day.

Anytime we mix faith in what we see or hear we have enter his eternal rest . Our last breath is the last day when our work is finished.

 

[WithinReason]

Now, concerning the Lords Day as you are presenting it, IF you are saying that ALL Christians should be worshiping God on Saturday ...

Sabbath is not Saturday. I pray that is clear. The first is God's time (even unto even) and the second Pagan Roman time (midnight to midnight). I pray that is clear.

Secondly, Christians are to worship God 24/7/365, not merely upon Sabbath (seventh day, the Lord's day).

Finally, the 4th commandment encompasses all days in the week, thus every day in the month and year. See Exodus20:8-11.

as the only Biblical day of worship, then yeah, I refute that.

That is the confusion of terms. The sabbath is the day of "rest", not the only day of worship. As stated, Christians are to worship God 24/7/365. Yet the 4th commandment speaks about 6 days of work and the 7th of rest from that work. It even speaks of the difference of work allowed on the 6 days, as opposed to the 7th day. 6 days of common work, but all 7 days for holy work (John 5:17).

 

[lightbearer]

What you have said above is very true. So, my question to you is, when has anyone been able to keep the whole law? That would be, never! Therefore the law is a curse to every human being, because we could not and cannot keep it..

Nay we establish the law. For the law is written in our hearts and we became the servants of righteousness. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made us free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the just shall live by faith. The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: THAT IS, the word of faith, which we preach; God's Law in the heart and mind. Behold all things are new and of God. For the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
(Rom 3:31 KJV)
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.
(Rom 2:14-15 KJV)
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
(Rom 6:18 KJV)
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(Rom 7:22-8:4 KJV)
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
(Rom 1:16-17 KJV)
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
(Rom 9:30-33 KJV)
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above; Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 10:4-8 KJV)
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
(Rom 11:26-27 KJV)

 

[Absolutely]

What you have said above is very true. So, my question to you is, when has anyone been able to keep the whole law? That would be, never! Therefore the law is a curse to every human being, because we could not and cannot keep it. If you go back and read my post, I said that "the law is holy and righteous, but mankind could not keep it." And since we cannot keep it because of our sinful nature, then it is always a curse to us. Because of this, Satan and the powers of darkness used the law against us. I was their ammunition against us. Because we can't keep the law it condemns us. But Jesus as a man kept it. Jesus freed every believer from the law by fulfilling it as a man. By having faith in Him, the law has been fulfilled on our behalf. The same is true regarding God's wrath which continues to rest upon all of those who are without faith. Jesus took upon himself God's wrath which every believer deserves, satisfying it completely, which as the scripture says, "we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath" because Jesus already did. In the same way, scripture says that the wages/reward for sin is death. As the scripture states, Jesus suffered death, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone."

Jesus accomplished everything in the flesh on our behalf, freeing us from condemnation and wrath. When we believed, we were credited with the righteousness of Christ and reconciled to God.

Yes
It speaks to mans dilemma .
Holy God and sinful man.
The entire bible reveals Gods grace in that the entire deal was worthy of annihilation

So,any effort to combine the law to shore up what is in no need of "shoring up" is error.

WE are lead of the Lord.
Circumcision has benefits.
dietary ordinances have benefits
Sabbath keeping has benefits.

We are not bound within the ot ordinances as some police action to control others into our "God box"

Besides, the message of heb 3&4 is clear. Rest belongs to those by faith,not keeping a day.

 

[Absolutely]

Nay we establish the law. For the law is written in our hearts and we became the servants of righteousness. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made us free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the just shall live by faith. The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: THAT IS, the word of faith, which we preach; God's Law in the heart and mind. Behold all things are new and of God. For the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
(Rom 3:31 KJV)
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.
(Rom 2:14-15 KJV)
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
(Rom 6:18 KJV)
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(Rom 7:22-8:4 KJV)
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
(Rom 1:16-17 KJV)
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
(Rom 9:30-33 KJV)
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above; Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 10:4-8 KJV)
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
(Rom 11:26-27 KJV)

You did not bold the verse below;


Paul;
" For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. "
Legalism;
"but,but,but"

No buts.if i am walking in the spirit,i am not at the same time immersed in sin.
My sabbath is every day.
I no longer observe a ordinance of one day for God,six for me.
I no longer tithe a tenth...it all belongs to him.
i no longer have my life. I am sacrificed to him ...i lose my life for him.

People think they have really done something because they worship on saturday. They really put themselves up there.
..not knowing they should have given all.
Deception.

 

[Absolutely]

Sabbath is not Saturday. I pray that is clear. The first is God's time (even unto even) and the second Pagan Roman time (midnight to midnight). I pray that is clear.

Secondly, Christians are to worship God 24/7/365, not merely upon Sabbath (seventh day, the Lord's day).

Finally, the 4th commandment encompasses all days in the week, thus every day in the month and year. See Exodus20:8-11.

That is the confusion of terms. The sabbath is the day of "rest", not the only day of worship. As stated, Christians are to worship God 24/7/365. Yet the 4th commandment speaks about 6 days of work and the 7th of rest from that work. It even speaks of the difference of work allowed on the 6 days, as opposed to the 7th day. 6 days of common work, but all 7 days for holy work (John 5:17).

God rested on the 7th day.

What is your point and the point of the op.?

Because your entire deal is some issue that Jn could not possibly be in the spirit on the first day but HAD to be on (the seventh
day,saturday,maluga day, mara marra day or what ever in your tight circles you guys call the seventh day)

It appears to me your are rethinking your position after several of us challenged your original deal.

 

[garee]

Sabbath is not Saturday. I pray that is clear. The first is God's time (even unto even) and the second Pagan Roman time (midnight to midnight). I pray that is clear.

Secondly, Christians are to worship God 24/7/365, not merely upon Sabbath (seventh day, the Lord's day).

Finally, the 4th commandment encompasses all days in the week, thus every day in the month and year. See Exodus20:8-11.

That is the confusion of terms. The sabbath is the day of "rest", not the only day of worship. As stated, Christians are to worship God 24/7/365. Yet the 4th commandment speaks about 6 days of work and the 7th of rest from that work. It even speaks of the difference of work allowed on the 6 days, as opposed to the 7th day. 6 days of common work, but all 7 days for holy work (John 5:17).

The shadow ceremonial things of men as a sign to mankind must be separated from the unseen eternal things of God .

The word rest (sabbath) is no stranger. Adding new meaning destroys intent of the author .

Sabbath is rest with no extra meaning added. . It is not a time sensitive word in any way shape or form . The word sabbath is synonymous to the word "today". Which is any time period under the sun when a parson does enter his rest, having mixed the unseen understanding of faith with that seen the temporal. Therefore yoked with Christ who does soften our new hearts. .

Note. . . Seventh day below = last day, day of the lord to include the phrase "And in this place again"

Hebrews 4 :1-11King James Version (KJV)Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[lightbearer]

You did not bold the verse below;


Paul;
" For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. "
Legalism;
"but,but,but"

No buts.if i am walking in the spirit,i am not at the same time immersed in sin.
My sabbath is every day.
I no longer observe a ordinance of one day for God,six for me.
I no longer tithe a tenth...it all belongs to him.
i no longer have my life. I am sacrificed to him ...i lose my life for him.

People think they have really done something because they worship on saturday. They really put themselves up there.
..not knowing they should have given all.
Deception.

Boxes everybody has boxes. The post you responded to was in answer to this statement. In particularly the bold emphasized part. "Therefore the law is a curse to every human being, because we could not and cannot keep it.. "

Sabbath is a day of rest. A day with No secular Work that we are to keep holy.
So no you do not Sabbath everyday, you work.

The Seventh Day is the Sabbath of our Lord our God. He chooses us to Sabbath with Him and in so doing keep it Holy.

Exod 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exod 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exod 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exod 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[lightbearer]

The shadow ceremonial things of men as a sign to mankind must be separated from the unseen eternal things of God .

The word rest (sabbath) is no stranger. Adding new meaning destroys intent of the author .

Sabbath is rest with no extra meaning added. . It is not a time sensitive word in any way shape or form . The word sabbath is synonymous to the word "today". Which is any time period under the sun when a parson does enter his rest, having mixed the unseen understanding of faith with that seen the temporal. Therefore yoked with Christ who does soften our new hearts. .

Note. . . Seventh day below = last day, day of the lord to include the phrase "And in this place again"

Hebrews 4 :1-11King James Version (KJV)Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Please take notice to the phrase, he also. in verse ten
Two rests being spoken of in the text. The Sabbath (ceasing from work as God did) and the Rest which we partake of which is the Gospel. Please also take note to the clause, "as God did from his". That is a direct comparison. That ceasing from work which we also do is to be on the Seventh Day as God did.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbath keeping) to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel rest) , he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

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Please take notice to the phrase, he also. in verse ten
Two rests being spoken of in the text. The Sabbath (ceasing from work as God did) and the Rest which we partake of which is the Gospel. Please also take note to the clause, "as God did from his". That is a direct comparison. That ceasing from work which we also do is to be on the Seventh Day as God did.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbath keeping) to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel rest) , he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Yes one is used as a shadow a picture of the gospel to the world. And the other pertaining to a moral laws of not hardening ones heart when the do mix faith in what is seen or heard.

Hebrew 4 is not speaking of the shadow application . One day set aside to do the "work" of the ceremonial fast.... offering the gospel to the world with prayer and supplication.

One with value the other as shadow that adds nothing to ones relationship with God or takes it a way . Shadows have no redeeming value to the person.

The word Sabbaths is a non time sensitive word. It means rest. Not Saturday or Sunday

 

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Boxes everybody has boxes. The post you responded to was in answer to this statement. In particularly the bold emphasized part. "Therefore the law is a curse to every human being, because we could not and cannot keep it.. "

Sabbath is a day of rest. A day with No secular Work that we are to keep holy.
So no you do not Sabbath everyday, you work.

The Seventh Day is the Sabbath of our Lord our God. He chooses us to Sabbath with Him and in so doing keep it Holy.

Exod 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exod 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exod 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exod 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The ten commandment help prove the sabbath as a shadow . In the two rendering of the ten commandments .Exodus and Deuteronomy there are different reasons giving in each parable . We compare the spiritual unseen of one to the other. (faith to faith) No parables used to explain moral laws .

You shall not murder is clear . No parable needed for that.

The Sabbath was designed as a day of work for getting the gospel out as the kind of fast the disciples knew not of.(not designed for Superbowl) The kind of fast that could drive out lying demons. The gospel of faith.

Rest from normal work. So a person can do the work of planting the incorruptible seed by which any man can be born again from above.