Is astral projection travelling in the Spirit… and are we suppose to do it?

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WordGaurdian

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Astral projection is an interpretation of out-of-body experience that assumes the existence of an "astral body" separate from the physical body and capable of traveling outside it. Wikipedia



Is astral projection travelling in the Spirit… and is a mature Christian suppose to be able to do it?

Now first off… the question is not if the name astral projection is correct… I think it is safe to say that someone from the new age or something came up with that name. And that that person wish to call himself god…blah, blah, blah. I ain’t interested in that.

I merely use the name for identification purposes, so that everybody knows or understands what I am talking about being that your spirit leaves your body and travels a distance.

So let’s start the journey:
In the OT we find Elisha displaying something similar: Please feel free to read the entire passage if you do not know the story. J

2Ki 5:15 And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel: now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.
2Ki 5:16 But he said, As the LORD liveth, before whom I stand, I will receive none. And he urged him to take it; but he refused.
2Ki 5:17 And Naaman said, Shall there not then, I pray thee, be given to thy servant two mules' burden of earth? for thy servant will henceforth offer neither burnt offering nor sacrifice unto other gods, but unto the LORD.
2Ki 5:18 In this thing the LORD pardon thy servant, that when my master goeth into the house of Rimmon to worship there, and he leaneth on my hand, and I bow myself in the house of Rimmon: when I bow down myself in the house of Rimmon, the LORD pardon thy servant in this thing.
2Ki 5:19 And he said unto him, Go in peace. So he departed from him a little way.
2Ki 5:20 But Gehazi, the servant of Elisha the man of God, said, Behold, my master hath spared Naaman this Syrian, in not receiving at his hands that which he brought: but, as the LORD liveth, I will run after him, and take somewhat of him.
2Ki 5:21 So Gehazi followed after Naaman. And when Naaman saw him running after him, he lighted down from the chariot to meet him, and said, Is all well?
2Ki 5:22 And he said, All is well. My master hath sent me, saying, Behold, even now there be come to me from mount Ephraim two young men of the sons of the prophets: give them, I pray thee, a talent of silver, and two changes of garments.
2Ki 5:23 And Naaman said, Be content, take two talents. And he urged him, and bound two talents of silver in two bags, with two changes of garments, and laid them upon two of his servants; and they bare them before him.
2Ki 5:24 And when he came to the tower, he took them from their hand, and bestowed them in the house: and he let the men go, and they departed.
2Ki 5:25 But he went in, and stood before his master. And Elisha said unto him, Whence comest thou, Gehazi? And he said, Thy servant went no whither.
2Ki 5:26 And he said unto him, Went not mine heart with thee, when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee? Is it a time to receive money, and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants?
2Ki 5:27 The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper as white as snow.


Granted Elisha gave very little explanation as to what he meant by his words, and based upon this alone it would not have peaked my interest. But let’s take a look in the NT. Take a look at what Paul wrote:
1Co 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,

This much more clearer, but showing exactly what Elisha did and Paul doing the same. Judging someone from a distance as if being with the person as he is with him in spirit but absent in body.

In another place Paul writes this:
2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Why would Paul, knowing full well since he was a Pharisee (professor of the law) all the sins , make mention of whether in or out of the body if one of them could be a sin. For he knew sin cannot exist in the presence of God. So obviously he granted both to be without sin, yet he did not know which one of the two took place.

Yet in another place the following is written:
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

If therefore he meant by walk, did he mean we should travel in the spirit. And experience the spiritual as if it were part of our daily lives.
OT reference:
2Ki 6:16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.
2Ki 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

The young man Elisha’s servant was afraid for he couldn’t see the angels. But Elisha saw them and therefore were without fear. And as an aid to the young man he prayed that his eyes should be opened. Logically his spiritual eyes.

Now if we take the following verse we can see even this make more sense…
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

For if eye look with my physical eyes only… all I perceive is the physical. How then can I distinguish between good and evil?

But this goes even deeper than that. Look what Jesus said:

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

And then the following would make sense:

Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.


He said seek first the Kingdom of God. Not last. Not after all your life’s journeys are complete. Seek it first so all the things you need may be added on to you. Meaning that which you truly need you will find by entering into the Kingdom of God in spirit…


So one can think that the apostle John, might shed some light on this and he does…
But I got to warn you… this is where it gets scary for most people…

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

So if I understand this correctly… to see into the Kingdom of God…. One must be born of Spirit.
To enter (moving) into the Kingdom of God…. One must be spirit.

Well that makes sense, especially if you read verse 6.
So now I can already hear many say, but we are born of God, for we have the Holy Spirit.

My answer and question is simply this… if one is truly born of God (Holy Spirit) should one not be able to see and enter into the Kingdom of Heaven by one’s spirit as it is written.
 
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Astral projection comes from the occult and is accomplished with a demon called "astral". It is not done by the power of the Holy Spirit. My recommendation is to not attempt it and simply leave it alone. You can not please God and use the things of satan at the same time.
 
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MarkayMrk777

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In 2 Corinthians 12:2 there is an example of this:

[SUP]2 [/SUP]I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— [SUP]4 [/SUP]was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell.

So, it is possible and it would definitely be mind blowing.

BUT most Christians are so caught up in the flesh and worldliness, the would have to
overcome that, before they went on to another level.
 

WordGaurdian

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a demon called "astral". really. that is very interesting. And you got this information from where? Please be kind, dear sir and read what I've written above.
 

WordGaurdian

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I suppose that is why Jesus said that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
 

WordGaurdian

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Thanks Abiding... I guess the concept of moving in the Spirit is for most people this:
RUN! FOREST RUN!

At least it gives a bit of humor on a very serious topic.
 

RickyZ

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I guess another way to ask the question would be, can demons produce visions like the Holy Spirit does?
 
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Abiding

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Thanks Abiding... I guess the concept of moving in the Spirit is for most people this:
RUN! FOREST RUN!

At least it gives a bit of humor on a very serious topic.
Define moving in the spirit. i understand shaman do and they do it in India, but
what are you talking about

"moving in the spirit"
 

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WordGuadian, are you talking about trying to achieve astral projection? As in voluntarily trying to initiate it? Or just a random spontaneous event like Paul's?
 

zone

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"The Separation of the Spirit Body" from The Secret of the Golden Flower, a Chinese handbook on alchemy and meditation

Western philosophies

According to classical, medieval and renaissance Hermeticism, Neoplatonism, and later Theosophist and Rosicrucian thought, the astral body is an intermediate body of light linking the rational soul to the physical body while the astral plane is an intermediate world of light between Heaven and Earth, composed of the spheres of the planets and stars. These astral spheres were held to be populated by angels, demons and spirits.[12][13]

The subtle bodies, and their associated planes of existence, form an essential part of the esoteric systems that deal with astral phenomena. In the neo-platonism of Plotinus, for example, the individual is a microcosm ("small world") of the universe (the macrocosm or "great world"). "The rational soul...is akin to the great Soul of the World" while "the material universe, like the body, is made as a faded image of the Intelligible". Each succeeding plane of manifestation is causal to the next, a world-view called emanationism; "from the One proceeds Intellect, from Intellect Soul, and from Soul - in its lower phase, or Nature - the material universe".[14]

Often these bodies and their planes of existence are depicted as a series of concentric circles or nested spheres, with a separate body traversing each realm.[15] The idea of the astral figured prominently in the work of the nineteenth-century French occultist Eliphas Levi, whence it was adopted and developed further by Theosophy, and used afterwards by other esoteric movements.

Astral projection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

 
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For every good thing of God, Satan has a counterfeit operating. For praising God, he gives us cursing. For love, he gives us lust. For prophecy, he gives us fortune telling. For being aware of the whole earth (because that is what God gave Adam to have dominion over), he gives us astral travel. Pray to be brought to the full understanding of your responsibility to earth, and don't be surprised if God takes you somewhere in spirit as part of it. But don't look for power, or strange abilities.

Oh, and "astral" comes from "star", because you have an "astral" body, made of "heavenly substance, like the stars". [This is not true of course. I'm giving you the occult interpretation of how it got its name.]
 

WordGaurdian

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hi Elizabeth

As I showed before in 1 Cor 5 verse 3 Paul mentioned that he was with them in spirit. Not in body. And because of that he could judge them already. You cannot judge a person if you do not know what is going on. You can only perceive what is going on if you use your senses through perception. He used his spiritual senses to perceive what is happening to the people that he ministered to. The same like Elisha used it to check up on his servant.

Paul's event was only one time spontaneous and that is when the Lord took him in 2 Cor 12. For he did not know what happened to him and even after years he still did not know whether he was in or out of his own body. The other times he did it by will if you will. Or maybe he prayed and God took him. The point is it was deliberate like in the case of Elisha.
 

WordGaurdian

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Abiding, I am talking going into the spiritual dimension and actually witnessing angels and moving in the spirit from one place to another.
 

WordGaurdian

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kenisyes, that is exactly what I am worried about. By the looks of it Jesus taught the disciples to move in the spirit. To observe in the spirit. And clearly indicate that we should enter and perceive the kingdom of God. Even Paul who was trained later is shown to understand and know this. But through the years a lot of knowledge has fainted in the church. Now I know the counterfeit is astral projection.... but if I look at the verses in the Bible, those I mentioned before. It shows me that we are suppose to be able to do it.

I mean, I get it if it was meant for advance Christians - if you will. But surely somebody on earth is at that level. And besides Jesus said - seek ye first the Kingdom of God.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I was fighting a couple older guys from a different high school in front of one of the high schools I attended once in the 9th grade when one of them suddenly charged into me. I took his charge like a young Spaniard takes the charge of a young bull and at the moment of collision had an out of body experience.

It's the only one I've ever had in my entire life. But they are real. I can't explain it. Is it spiritual or some chemically induced experience the brain engages in during times of emergency?

Time crawled to almost a stop as I looked down from about fifty feet above the scene observing my own body frozen in action against two opponents. I could see everything from that height as if I were in a hot air balloon. The roof of the school, the football field behind the school, the surrounding houses, etc... and I have never felt more alive and free in my whole life. I felt as if I could just float away to another dimension.

But then I started to feel fear. I'm not sure why and I cannot quantify it. I just became afraid. So I went back into my body and commenced fighting. What seemed like three minutes was actually just a few seconds.

That's my only experience leaving my body. I was not following Jesus Christ at the time.
 

WordGaurdian

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Thanks for the clarification Zone. The question now is... how come something similar is mentioned in the verses I've indicated. Again... I know it is not the same. I want to undestand what Elisha did when he could observe the spiritual and perceive through it. And the same with Paul. What did they know and how do we get to know it.
 

WordGaurdian

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AgeofKnowledge, thanks for sharing. I believe if you were to follow Jesus, you might have the same experience, but without fear. Since logically if you did enter the spirit without having the covering of authority of Christ you aren't very protected.
 

zone

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Thanks for the clarification Zone. The question now is... how come something similar is mentioned in the verses I've indicated. Again... I know it is not the same. I want to undestand what Elisha did when he could observe the spiritual and perceive through it. And the same with Paul. What did they know and how do we get to know it.
we don't
we're not them.