Is astral projection travelling in the Spirit… and are we suppose to do it?
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[h=3]Deuteronomy 29:29[/h]
[SUP]29 [/SUP]The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Abidings commentary 2013......Read the bible and obey and keep your nose in your own business.
What you need to see and know has been recorded, and the rest will be illuminated to you when
God sees fit not you! If you cant than reap the consequences for your wicked and perverse actions.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Abidings commentary 2013......Read the bible and obey and keep your nose in your own business.
What you need to see and know has been recorded, and the rest will be illuminated to you when
God sees fit not you! If you cant than reap the consequences for your wicked and perverse actions.
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Ok i finally read the OP, you said :So if I understand this correctly… to see into the Kingdom of God…. One must be born of Spirit.
To enter (moving) into the Kingdom of God…. One must be spirit.
Well that makes sense, especially if you read verse 6.
So now I can already hear many say, but we are born of God, for we have the Holy Spirit.
My answer and question is simply this… if one is truly born of God (Holy Spirit) should one not be able to see and enter into the Kingdom of Heaven by one’s spirit as it is written.
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I see now your base position is that you "can see" like into the spirit realm.
Thats a faulty position. Im in the Kingdom i see it by faith.
We walk by faith and NOT by site.
Id wish you to have more understanding of the bible
Because your opening up into the occult with yours.
Also you inserted a newage/charismatic/occultic word "moving"
To enter (moving) into the Kingdom of God…. One must be spirit.
Well that makes sense, especially if you read verse 6.
So now I can already hear many say, but we are born of God, for we have the Holy Spirit.
My answer and question is simply this… if one is truly born of God (Holy Spirit) should one not be able to see and enter into the Kingdom of Heaven by one’s spirit as it is written.
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I see now your base position is that you "can see" like into the spirit realm.
Thats a faulty position. Im in the Kingdom i see it by faith.
We walk by faith and NOT by site.
Id wish you to have more understanding of the bible
Because your opening up into the occult with yours.
Also you inserted a newage/charismatic/occultic word "moving"
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As I tried to explain earlier. I personally know and understand fully that "astral projection" in the method and way that it is explained through the occult and new age is wrong. I have no quarell about that.
But I do believe one should be able to perceive like Elisha did. For he prayed that his servants eyes should be opened. His servant take it by faith suddenly that there were angels. No. His servants eyes were opened to the spiritual and he could perceive the spiritual beings. Now I do not by this say one should not walk by faith. On the contrary I also believe it as the Bible clearly say we should walk by faith. But I am talking about perceiving what God is willing to show us.
God requires faith from us. And in that faith, healing takes place. But God sometimes also gives us a dream or a vision. Which we also receive by faith. And in that faith we understand the dream.
But thank you that you consider I should have more understanding of the Bible. Please pray this for me. For one could always learn more of God. And I fervently wish this.
But I do believe one should be able to perceive like Elisha did. For he prayed that his servants eyes should be opened. His servant take it by faith suddenly that there were angels. No. His servants eyes were opened to the spiritual and he could perceive the spiritual beings. Now I do not by this say one should not walk by faith. On the contrary I also believe it as the Bible clearly say we should walk by faith. But I am talking about perceiving what God is willing to show us.
God requires faith from us. And in that faith, healing takes place. But God sometimes also gives us a dream or a vision. Which we also receive by faith. And in that faith we understand the dream.
But thank you that you consider I should have more understanding of the Bible. Please pray this for me. For one could always learn more of God. And I fervently wish this.
To answer you Zone.
I prayed for a friend of mine. His feet healed instantaniously. His liver within an hour.
But I'm still praying for his heart and shoulders. Its been a couple of months already.
The other day his wife started to become deaf in one of her ears. I went and prayed for her and her ear was healed within seconds and she could fully hear again with that ear, her other ear was still working fine.
I certainly hope that you will receive full healing before the day is out. If for no other reason but to aid in your faith.
I prayed for a friend of mine. His feet healed instantaniously. His liver within an hour.
But I'm still praying for his heart and shoulders. Its been a couple of months already.
The other day his wife started to become deaf in one of her ears. I went and prayed for her and her ear was healed within seconds and she could fully hear again with that ear, her other ear was still working fine.
I certainly hope that you will receive full healing before the day is out. If for no other reason but to aid in your faith.
I firmly believe in gifts and spiritual world as mentioned in the bible. At the age of nine I had an experience that I understand the devil existed and there was a 'spiritual world' outside our physical world limited by what we see with natural eyes. Since then I started every time to check if what comes on my path is spiritual ok or not.
Your presentation of the verses together with the name astral projecting traveling makes much people shiver because you use a new age term. But for sure every spiritual thing God can do, has an equivalent in the dark side of the spiritual world.
I think its is best when talking about any spiritual experience to start with the Holy Ghost. Because the Holy Ghost, is when we are Gods children, in us and is connected with our spirit. John 3:5; Rom 8:9 Everything outside this connection is dangerous and deadly I believe. Without His Ghost we cannot enter, see or understand the spiritual world in the right biblical way.
Many people do not know the difference between walking in the Spirit and the spiritual walk that is mentioned in New Age. There are even churches that hold spiritual courses that are not biblical but linked to New Age or other religions.
My first questionWordGuardian is in this case is: are you familiar with what Paul wrote about the Holy Spirit His gifts and how to pursue them?
Your presentation of the verses together with the name astral projecting traveling makes much people shiver because you use a new age term. But for sure every spiritual thing God can do, has an equivalent in the dark side of the spiritual world.
I think its is best when talking about any spiritual experience to start with the Holy Ghost. Because the Holy Ghost, is when we are Gods children, in us and is connected with our spirit. John 3:5; Rom 8:9 Everything outside this connection is dangerous and deadly I believe. Without His Ghost we cannot enter, see or understand the spiritual world in the right biblical way.
Many people do not know the difference between walking in the Spirit and the spiritual walk that is mentioned in New Age. There are even churches that hold spiritual courses that are not biblical but linked to New Age or other religions.
My first questionWordGuardian is in this case is: are you familiar with what Paul wrote about the Holy Spirit His gifts and how to pursue them?
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Wow. I think you're right. Well stated.
I remember this one zen Buddhist karate instructor I use to take lessons from back in the late 70's laying us young people down on the dojo floor and trying to get us to have out of body experiences. He claimed that we could leave our bodies to gain information about what our enemies were doing. It never worked for me. I only had the one and that was in a real fight.
He also used to have us stand in front of a closed door and try to guess which weapon we should choose based on the weapon another had chosen behind the door. He would then open the door and let us see if our choice was appropriate or not. This never worked for me either. I must have been thick or possibly God was protecting me to a degree even then as I had a a Dutch praying grandmother on one side of my heathen family.
These are my personal experiences. From a theological viewpoint, I would pull out The Kingdom of The Occult by my friend Kurt VanGordon and see what it says here on page 245. Feel free to follow along if you have a copy:
"The psychic phenomenon of astral projection occurs when an individual in a state of consciousness claims to leave the physical body and travel long distances, observing other people, recording their actions, and returning to the body to confirm it. Letters, phone calls, and e-mails are all methods of confirmation-detailed proof provided to those "visited."
Robert Bruce and Professor C. E. Lindgren, in their how-to handbook on astral projection, describe the moment when an out-of-body experience (OBE) takes place-as well as its purpose:
""During conscious-exit projection, the real-time body will be vividly aware of the sensation of separating from and leaving its physical body behind... My overall impression is that this process is designed to provide the central animating spirit consciousness with regular and direct exposure to the refining and adjusting influences of living karma and universal law, as they exist at vastly higher and more rarefied dimensional levels.""
This, is how I believe, karma and universal law actually work: the higher subtle bodies filter up and down through the dimensional scale-from the gross physical body to its highest energetic state-whenever the physical body sleeps. When the mind and heart are opened to these types of occult experiences, a person becomes exposed to malignant spiritual beings waiting to take advantage of any vulnerability. Astral projection may seem harmless on the surface, but its
potential impact can be devastating."
Then on page 256:
"It is interesting to note that levitate, apport, materialize, dream analysis, seance, and astral projection are all relatively new terms. All of these things, with the exception of dream interpretation, appear in historical records after the Christian era. So the question remains: what came first?
Those involved in the occult would like people to believe that the Bible proves occultic psychic phenomena, when in reality it recounts true miraculous phenomena. What follows after these miracles is only a very cheap imitation. The revelation of God came first, and the demonic imitated it."
So it would appear that astral-travel is a demonic occult imitation that is very dangerous both spiritually and physically to those who engage in the practice.
I remember this one zen Buddhist karate instructor I use to take lessons from back in the late 70's laying us young people down on the dojo floor and trying to get us to have out of body experiences. He claimed that we could leave our bodies to gain information about what our enemies were doing. It never worked for me. I only had the one and that was in a real fight.
He also used to have us stand in front of a closed door and try to guess which weapon we should choose based on the weapon another had chosen behind the door. He would then open the door and let us see if our choice was appropriate or not. This never worked for me either. I must have been thick or possibly God was protecting me to a degree even then as I had a a Dutch praying grandmother on one side of my heathen family.
These are my personal experiences. From a theological viewpoint, I would pull out The Kingdom of The Occult by my friend Kurt VanGordon and see what it says here on page 245. Feel free to follow along if you have a copy:
"The psychic phenomenon of astral projection occurs when an individual in a state of consciousness claims to leave the physical body and travel long distances, observing other people, recording their actions, and returning to the body to confirm it. Letters, phone calls, and e-mails are all methods of confirmation-detailed proof provided to those "visited."
Robert Bruce and Professor C. E. Lindgren, in their how-to handbook on astral projection, describe the moment when an out-of-body experience (OBE) takes place-as well as its purpose:
""During conscious-exit projection, the real-time body will be vividly aware of the sensation of separating from and leaving its physical body behind... My overall impression is that this process is designed to provide the central animating spirit consciousness with regular and direct exposure to the refining and adjusting influences of living karma and universal law, as they exist at vastly higher and more rarefied dimensional levels.""
This, is how I believe, karma and universal law actually work: the higher subtle bodies filter up and down through the dimensional scale-from the gross physical body to its highest energetic state-whenever the physical body sleeps. When the mind and heart are opened to these types of occult experiences, a person becomes exposed to malignant spiritual beings waiting to take advantage of any vulnerability. Astral projection may seem harmless on the surface, but its
potential impact can be devastating."
Then on page 256:
"It is interesting to note that levitate, apport, materialize, dream analysis, seance, and astral projection are all relatively new terms. All of these things, with the exception of dream interpretation, appear in historical records after the Christian era. So the question remains: what came first?
Those involved in the occult would like people to believe that the Bible proves occultic psychic phenomena, when in reality it recounts true miraculous phenomena. What follows after these miracles is only a very cheap imitation. The revelation of God came first, and the demonic imitated it."
So it would appear that astral-travel is a demonic occult imitation that is very dangerous both spiritually and physically to those who engage in the practice.
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In witchcraft people can "swap" their spirit with that of an animal so they can go places their physical body wouldnt go. On one occasion a witch swapped with a cat. Unfortunately the cat got ran over and the "witch" is now locked up in a mental hospital behaving like a cat showing no signs of being human.
Personally, Im rather attached to my body. Thats the way I like it.
Personally, Im rather attached to my body. Thats the way I like it.
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I have to agree with you. I want NOTHING to do with it. If the Creator God of the Bible transports me somewhere to preach the gospel as Philip was to the Ethiopian Eunuch in Acts 8 that is one thing. But this occult nonsense is completely dangerous to your spiritual and physical person.
I have read that people who leave their bodies to astro-travel die if their body dies and also that they can be attacked "on the astral plane" (as they call it) by others astro-travelers or even powerful demons thus causing the death of their physical body and so their death.
It's nothing any Christian should be experimenting with.
I have read that people who leave their bodies to astro-travel die if their body dies and also that they can be attacked "on the astral plane" (as they call it) by others astro-travelers or even powerful demons thus causing the death of their physical body and so their death.
It's nothing any Christian should be experimenting with.
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Word Guardian,
I suggest you not do it. I had a spiritual battle with a demon, but God's hand was clearly in it. I was a hate-filled atheist and God freed me from a demon. I didn't know that a demon had a strangle hold on me. The demon and the battle were very vivid. Afterwards I found myself calling out to God! I accepted Jesus. Then God showed me that He freed me from the demon so that I would be prepared to accept Jesus. Regarding your seeking spiritual experiences out, God's hand will be in it, if He wants it to happen. Again, I don't suggest you seek this out on your own. You might be dabbling in the demonic.
I suggest you not do it. I had a spiritual battle with a demon, but God's hand was clearly in it. I was a hate-filled atheist and God freed me from a demon. I didn't know that a demon had a strangle hold on me. The demon and the battle were very vivid. Afterwards I found myself calling out to God! I accepted Jesus. Then God showed me that He freed me from the demon so that I would be prepared to accept Jesus. Regarding your seeking spiritual experiences out, God's hand will be in it, if He wants it to happen. Again, I don't suggest you seek this out on your own. You might be dabbling in the demonic.