Is astral projection travelling in the Spirit… and are we suppose to do it?
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An example of moving in the Spirit...
I met a woman a while back, spiritually very strong and sensitive, even more than she knows. I knew from what she is involved with (heavily into Kabala) that the ‘darkies’ (I don’t like the word demon because there’s so much misinformation and thought about them) were present around her, and the first time I went to visit her they kept their distance while we chatted. But the moment I stepped out her door two of them escorted me down the hall, down the stairs, into the street to my car and watched me drive away. Plain as day, they don't even try to hide from me anymore because they know God's made me wise to them, especially in a situation like this.
When I pray for her, I often get this visual impression where it's night time, and I'm elevated like up in a tree to where I can see across the rooftops. Off a mile or so is her apartment building, and you know how buildings usually give off some ambient light, well the light from her building is much brighter. Bright enough that it shines up upon the bottom of what at first looks to be some very dark tumultuous clouds. But looking closer, I can see it is instead a thick black swirling cloud of dark spirits. They're just like a ginormous nasty swarm of mosquitoes, looking for way in to draw blood, being held back solely by the light.
So one night I'm praying for her, and it’s concerted prayer; the swarm is thick and heavy and really agitated - pressing in to the point where they were smothering out the light. I got a sense of real urgency, that something really bad was happening. So I got in there in the Name of Jesus and did what I could to bind and silence and swat at a few of them. But I was just one man against a swarm, definitely outnumbered. So I commanded angels to get in there to fight and occupy the enemy; and I saw angels start charging into the darkness. And then I command more to move in and get her out and to a place of safety. And I see more of them rush off into the scene. And so that is how I fight, claiming the Authority of Christ to bind and silence them, and commanding the angelic host to go and do battle and occupy the darkies while others get in and get her out. And I'm watching this happen in my vision; I don't ever see her, but I see the forces rushing off to do battle against the swarm.
So the next day I'm talking to her and before I can say anything she starts telling me about how she has always had trouble dealing with certain critical issues. They had been recently piling up and squeezing her to the point where she was starting to come apart and panic attack over how she was going to deal with them. She confessed that she’d dealt with issues like that before by cutting herself (including her wrists) and that night she was ready to do it again. Then she said, 'it was so weird, because all of a sudden this voice started telling me to get out, get out, leave, and something grabbed me by the arms and dragged me out of the apartment and down to my car.' She ended up finding a bench at the beach where some people and things she encountered helped her find peace.
I met a woman a while back, spiritually very strong and sensitive, even more than she knows. I knew from what she is involved with (heavily into Kabala) that the ‘darkies’ (I don’t like the word demon because there’s so much misinformation and thought about them) were present around her, and the first time I went to visit her they kept their distance while we chatted. But the moment I stepped out her door two of them escorted me down the hall, down the stairs, into the street to my car and watched me drive away. Plain as day, they don't even try to hide from me anymore because they know God's made me wise to them, especially in a situation like this.
When I pray for her, I often get this visual impression where it's night time, and I'm elevated like up in a tree to where I can see across the rooftops. Off a mile or so is her apartment building, and you know how buildings usually give off some ambient light, well the light from her building is much brighter. Bright enough that it shines up upon the bottom of what at first looks to be some very dark tumultuous clouds. But looking closer, I can see it is instead a thick black swirling cloud of dark spirits. They're just like a ginormous nasty swarm of mosquitoes, looking for way in to draw blood, being held back solely by the light.
So one night I'm praying for her, and it’s concerted prayer; the swarm is thick and heavy and really agitated - pressing in to the point where they were smothering out the light. I got a sense of real urgency, that something really bad was happening. So I got in there in the Name of Jesus and did what I could to bind and silence and swat at a few of them. But I was just one man against a swarm, definitely outnumbered. So I commanded angels to get in there to fight and occupy the enemy; and I saw angels start charging into the darkness. And then I command more to move in and get her out and to a place of safety. And I see more of them rush off into the scene. And so that is how I fight, claiming the Authority of Christ to bind and silence them, and commanding the angelic host to go and do battle and occupy the darkies while others get in and get her out. And I'm watching this happen in my vision; I don't ever see her, but I see the forces rushing off to do battle against the swarm.
So the next day I'm talking to her and before I can say anything she starts telling me about how she has always had trouble dealing with certain critical issues. They had been recently piling up and squeezing her to the point where she was starting to come apart and panic attack over how she was going to deal with them. She confessed that she’d dealt with issues like that before by cutting herself (including her wrists) and that night she was ready to do it again. Then she said, 'it was so weird, because all of a sudden this voice started telling me to get out, get out, leave, and something grabbed me by the arms and dragged me out of the apartment and down to my car.' She ended up finding a bench at the beach where some people and things she encountered helped her find peace.
Uh...... a body without a spirit is dead. James 2:26 tells us this.
His "spirit" was not there and his body somewhere else.
Paul is instructing them on what to do and that if they make a decision to discipline the unrepentant man, then he will agree with them as though he were there with them. His presence is not necessary for them to make a decision. In Matthew 18:15-20, Jesus is talking about the discipline of dealing with sin and says in v. 20, that He is with the disciples as they make decisions about confronting sin, even to the point of putting an unrepentant man out of the local gathering or church.
The 1st verse of Paul's event explains how he was taken up to heaven, and I did notice you left verse 1 out. He states it was a VISION.
"I must go on boasting. Though there is nothing to be gained by it, I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord."
His "spirit" was not there and his body somewhere else.
Paul is instructing them on what to do and that if they make a decision to discipline the unrepentant man, then he will agree with them as though he were there with them. His presence is not necessary for them to make a decision. In Matthew 18:15-20, Jesus is talking about the discipline of dealing with sin and says in v. 20, that He is with the disciples as they make decisions about confronting sin, even to the point of putting an unrepentant man out of the local gathering or church.
The 1st verse of Paul's event explains how he was taken up to heaven, and I did notice you left verse 1 out. He states it was a VISION.
"I must go on boasting. Though there is nothing to be gained by it, I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord."
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Good luck, your on your own there in your mysticism. Totally without scriptural support or instruction.
And in fact warned many times in many different ways in the OT to stay clear of that.
Actually thats called familiar spirits your messing with...like i said your on your own there
your only witnessing the deception your looking for.
And in fact warned many times in many different ways in the OT to stay clear of that.
Actually thats called familiar spirits your messing with...like i said your on your own there
your only witnessing the deception your looking for.
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I'm pretty sure that those events are in the Bible for a reason.
I'm not Elisha and I'm not Paul... to the best of my knowledge.
But I have seen miracles happen in front of my eyes. From food multiplying to people getting healed.
After all God was, is and will be the same.
In likewise if these people who were before us moved and operated and functioned this way. We should at least try to understand it. Even if it is only to aid someone else that God use in this manner.
I'm not Elisha and I'm not Paul... to the best of my knowledge.
But I have seen miracles happen in front of my eyes. From food multiplying to people getting healed.
After all God was, is and will be the same.
In likewise if these people who were before us moved and operated and functioned this way. We should at least try to understand it. Even if it is only to aid someone else that God use in this manner.
And that is the part that troubles me as well. For How can I move out of my body. If my body without a spirit would then be dead. Unless of course I did not actually move out of my body, but remained inside my body, but also traveled through the spirit. Now that would make sense to, since one can be in South Africa and Canada in exactly the same time in the spirit. For Paul never said that where his body is, is no spirit. He merely said that his spirit was some place else. Then the problem would come in at 2 Cor 12. For there he definenatly said out of body. Maybe he was also confused about that?
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I spose saying good luck could offend. "moving in the spirit" offends me. So enuf offending ok?
Astral projection is demonic period. No instruction in the bible even mentions it besides
the prohibition of this stuff in the OT.
For example show me teachings about it in the bible....some doctrine, reproof, and correction like
ALL other things we are taught to do in scripture. Anything about seeing into the spirit realm. I dont
mean part of any story you think covers it, i mean bible teaching, instruction, and exhortation to do it
as there is with ALL other spirituals we are to covet.
Astral projection is demonic period. No instruction in the bible even mentions it besides
the prohibition of this stuff in the OT.
For example show me teachings about it in the bible....some doctrine, reproof, and correction like
ALL other things we are taught to do in scripture. Anything about seeing into the spirit realm. I dont
mean part of any story you think covers it, i mean bible teaching, instruction, and exhortation to do it
as there is with ALL other spirituals we are to covet.
RickyZ, it makes sense the way you say it. For if we perceive Jesus talking to His disciples on occassion he would curse the demons around them:
Mat 16:23
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Mat 16:23
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
You see that is the problem. What is written in the Bible - or should I say what I've discovered so far is the verses I showed you. Please post me the verses that say the contrary. I'm not talking about familiar spirits. I understand and know what they are. That is if you talk to mediums and the like. Not a problem. Staying far away. I'm talking about moving in the spirit like the scripture shows which I have indicated.
I mean you probably want an exact method. well me too. but I would also like an exact method for healing, prophecy, speaking in tongues, interpreting tongues, discernment of spirits and faith.
I mean you probably want an exact method. well me too. but I would also like an exact method for healing, prophecy, speaking in tongues, interpreting tongues, discernment of spirits and faith.
there are online courses you can take.
they're pretty popular.
Global Harvest Ministries < click
they teach all that.
i used to reject it.
but who am i to say.
if i were going to do it, i'd go for the full deal.
Head Apostle, all the powers and gifts.
not sure how long the courses take.
they're pretty popular.
Global Harvest Ministries < click
they teach all that.
i used to reject it.
but who am i to say.
if i were going to do it, i'd go for the full deal.
Head Apostle, all the powers and gifts.
not sure how long the courses take.