Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

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Wansvic

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Jhn 4:1
When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

Jhn 4:2
(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
The scriptures you reference pertain to John's baptism which introduced what was later modified to include the name of the Lord Jesus in association with His death, burial and resurrection.
 

BillG

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Neither of you have answered my questions.
 

Wansvic

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Do you find any such expression of this concerning baptism?
According to Jesus, Those who believe and get baptized shall be saved. Those who don't believe ( that includes that sins are remitted in baptism per God's word) are damned already. Belief and corresponding action result in people being saved. The following conversion experiences speak to fact that being baptized in water in the name of the Lord Jesus is not optional. (Acts 2:36-42, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)
 

BillG

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The only examples we have are in the scriptures, and therein you find that subsequent to Jesus's death, all were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. We're baptized into HIS body, and become part of HIS body which is HIS church.
So you reject the Trinity?
 

Wansvic

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Neither of you have answered my questions.

"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." Col 2:9-12
 

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According to Jesus, Those who believe and get baptized shall be saved. Those who don't believe ( that includes that sins are remitted in baptism per God's word) are damned already. Belief and corresponding action result in people being saved. The following conversion experiences speak to fact that being baptized in water in the name of the Lord Jesus is not optional. (Acts 2:36-42, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)
Thanks for replying. But what I wanted to know is there a similar passage in the NT dealing with baptism as the one you shared dealing with circumcision?
 

BillG

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"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." Col 2:9-12
Answer my questions please.

Why is it so difficult to do so?

Do you reject the trinity and is your theology oneness?

Modalism?
 

ResidentAlien

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Is baptism in the name of Jesus only, modalism/oneness theology?

If so why and how does it stand in contrast with the theology of the trinity?
Oneness Pentecostals baptize in Jesus' name only. And yes, they're nontrinitarian.
 

cv5

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In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." Col 2:9-12
Right. So are Christians required to be physically circumcised and actually buried 6 feet under to be saved?

I think not.
 

GRACE_ambassador

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My list of Unnecessary water?:

1) God Only Has ONE Baptism (Spiritual) for Today's Body Of Christ,
Under GRACE, Rightly Divided * from the TWO He had Under The Law.
"And Now..." as Paul Harvey used to quip: "...the rest of the story:" er:
the list of water When it WAS necessary, with "what Else" that
no one actually "obeys" properly today:

Not obeying "John's water baptism For the remission of sins"
God Says "...the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God
against
themselves, being not baptized of him." (Luke 7:29-30)

IF you believe this, Under the law, is For you today, then you
had better obey, Correct? But what about Christ's Other
Commands, Under The Law? Obey water, But Disobey the
Rest of the ALL That "Christ HIMSELF Commanded to be
Taught AND Observed"? Why only "Cherry-Pick" water And

Then Ignore "the rest"?​

Interesting, is it not, how critics Constantly Remind us Jesus Said:
"IF you love Me, Keep My Commandments"; what about themSelves?
Do they "love Christ" IF they have not yet "obeyed HIS List"?

Under The Law In God's Prophetic program?:
1) Sell everything and follow Jesus (Mat 19:21; Mrk 10:21;​
Luk 12:33)? A few communal groups have tried honestly
to obey this, Correct? How did it work out for them?​
2) Observe All that those who "sit in Moses seat" tell you?​
(Mat 25:1-3) Law keepers are honest, trying to obey, Correct?​
3) Heal the sick, raise the dead, "freely you have Been Given,​
so freely give," (Mat 10:8), speak in tongues, performing the​
"signs that shall follow those that believe And are baptized"​
(Mrk 16:16-18)? Charismatics, at the very least, are honest,
trying "to obey" Correct?​
4) "Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto​
them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained."​
(John 20:23)? Romanists are honest, trying to obey this?​
Protesters are flabbergasted, not knowing what to do​
with this Scripture? Correct?​
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God's ONE and only Solution to UNdispensational obedience,
adding previous dispensation's "great" commission Commands
to the Current Dispensation Of Grace And It's Grace Commission,
ie:

*
Obedience to HIS Command of Right Division:

(A) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL:

►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄

The TWO Main (of 12) baptismS =

1) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)
+
2) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for
power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)
Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

(B) Mystery/GRACE! =

our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually
Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians_4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; ►►► 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB! ◄◄◄)

Thus, God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, Vanquishes
traditional multiplied CONFUSION Into Oblivion! Correct?

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Grace, Peace, And JOY In The LORD JESUS CHRIST,
And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided
(+ I and II).
 

DJT_47

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So you reject the Trinity?
Did i say I rejected anything? I only said or resaid what the scriptures state. What I stated is correct; go see for yourself. And it doesn't matter what I or you think or believe, or choose to reject. The bible being our one and only guide is meant to be for our learning, understanding, and following.
 

DJT_47

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:sleep: repetition does not make you correct
Nothing wrong with rrpeating the truth. Maybe it will eventually sink in for those who are unknowing or choose to reject it out of their ignorance, or predicated upon a false doctrine they've come to believe.
 

Wansvic

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Right. So are Christians required to be physically circumcised and actually buried 6 feet under to be saved?

I think not.
Man trusts the Lord and obeys. It is the Lord who brings about the spiritual reality He said it would.