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mjkhan

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Allah is Satan........and a deceiver to boot.....
counseling! Is word for God.what jesus said when about to be crucified"Elli,Elli Lama's sab achha tha ni"Is Elli Elli close to God God or Joshua Joshua or jehovah jehovah or is it closer to Allah Allah.?Be impartial and thinking!
 

mjkhan

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What specific contradictions? I'll admit that Paul is a bit of an odd character but you don't think the Damascus road experience has any credibility? I think his heart was in the right place but his "mind" was not and Yeshua stepped in. I think anyone that has met him unequivocally would necessarily change. That change seems evident.

Paul is someone I have a good bit of difficulty with so I'm open to discussing it. Preferably from a neutral ground. I'm blessed with a doubting nature about what I read. I stand by the authority of the word but question earthly men, which leads to further seeking in a way that grows me considerably I believe (although at times it is quite frustrating).

Also of note regarding Paul to consider is Acts 1:21-26
You wouldn't say Jeremiah 8:8 is God's word.
And tell me which son did Abraham took to offer for sacrifice?
 

mjkhan

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How long have you been a Muslim?
Born in Muslim home,studied in Christian missionary so studied christianity ,then became atheist then got hit by a calamity again studied all major faiths in depth and realised the only true preserved religion is Islam which came for gentiles like u n me n jews.
 

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NO Muslim will ever say any bad name to Jesus.He was not bad and not evil.Only Quran is the divine book that confirms Jesus his mission and ministry but doesn't call him God which he himself never said in clear words.He preached whole life monotheism.He came only for Jews while Prophet Muhammad came for whole mankind.(jews and gentiles alike)
You have to know difference between proof and explanation.If someone tells you that I drink and tells because he saw me in front of bar.Is that proof.May be I was there as is bus stop and I get off to change for another bus,or may be my friend lives near the bar or may be there is good convenience store that I go to do shopping sometimes.But proof is if you see me drinking or if I say I do or if Breath analyser confirms it.So Jesus never said I am God so there is no proof he is God.Yes he is mighty messenger of God which bible says and QUran say.DOn't read Quran that will not make any dent in its status.God bless you
I have read the Koran. Compared to the Bible there are several issues.

1. All cities in the Bible have been found to be exactly like the Bible states with archaeological digs. . The one and only city in the Koran fails excavation.

2. The Bible never condricts itself. The Koran which supposedly was in heaven and spoken to Muhammad by Gabriel. The concept of abrogation is part of the Koran. A later spoken verse replaces an earlier one.

3. The Koran says Jesus was just a good man and never said he was anything more. The Bible has Jesus saying "I and the Father are one."
 

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NO Muslim will ever say any bad name to Jesus.He was not bad and not evil.Only Quran is the divine book that confirms Jesus his mission and ministry but doesn't call him God which he himself never said in clear words.He preached whole life monotheism.He came only for Jews while Prophet Muhammad came for whole mankind.(jews and gentiles alike)
You have to know difference between proof and explanation.If someone tells you that I drink and tells because he saw me in front of bar.Is that proof.May be I was there as is bus stop and I get off to change for another bus,or may be my friend lives near the bar or may be there is good convenience store that I go to do shopping sometimes.But proof is if you see me drinking or if I say I do or if Breath analyser confirms it.So Jesus never said I am God so there is no proof he is God.Yes he is mighty messenger of God which bible says and QUran say.DOn't read Quran that will not make any dent in its status.God bless you
I have read the Koran. Compared to the Bible there are several issues.

1. All cities in the Bible have been found to be exactly like the Bible states with archaeological digs. . The one and only city in the Koran fails excavation.

2. The Bible never condricts itself. The Koran which supposedly was in heaven and spoken to Muhammad by Gabriel. The concept of abrogation is part of the Koran. A later spoken verse replaces an earlier one.

3. The Koran says Jesus was just a good man and never said he was anything more. The Bible has Jesus saying "I and the Father are one."
 

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Born in Muslim home,studied in Christian missionary so studied christianity ,then became atheist then got hit by a calamity again studied all major faiths in depth and realised the only true preserved religion is Islam which came for gentiles like u n me n jews.
You would be good at dodge ball.
 

know1

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There are books written by Bible scholars identifying errors in bible .And there are many editions of bible revised n new revised.Why? How come God's word need revision,then it is not God's word of it is revised by humans.Also have u read Jeremiah 8:8? If not then read it now.
Are you Islamic or Muslim trying to point out flaws in the bible?
 

mjkhan

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I have read the Koran. Compared to the Bible there are several issues.

1. All cities in the Bible have been found to be exactly like the Bible states with archaeological digs. . The one and only city in the Koran fails excavation.

2. The Bible never condricts itself. The Koran which supposedly was in heaven and spoken to Muhammad by Gabriel. The concept of abrogation is part of the Koran. A later spoken verse replaces an earlier one.

3. The Koran says Jesus was just a good man and never said he was anything more. The Bible has Jesus saying "I and the Father are one."
1)Quran has more info on archaeological digs e.g about Pharaoh who was identified as the one who chased Moses until drowning has been mentioned in Quran clearly.And many others also.
2)No book contradicts itself like Bible.Revised n new revised editions and also so much contradictions with each other.Then there r scientific contradictions as well.
3) Quran is the only non gospel book which praises n glorifies Jesus.Jesus saying I n father r one is not like saying" I m God or worship me,"Understand difference between proof n explanation.
 

know1

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Look Christian's are leaving for atheism the biggest new and vastly growing group.You should worry about that.Islam teaches its followers to love n respect Jesus.
I gather from this post, you are not Christian, but an Islamist.
Is that correct?
 

know1

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Muslims love n respect jesus more than christians.
Okay, so you are Muslim, but don't you both teach and believe Jesus was just a prophet like Mohammed, and just a man of God?
Whatever your definition of a prophet is.
My wife's relatives on both sides, mother's and father's sides, were Muslim, and she said the same thing as you, only, from what I can tell, they kind of mixed the Muslim ways with the Catholic. But she did say they were nothing like what we have seen on tv concerning, what is commonly called, radical Islam.
Both my wife's mother and father's last names were Mohammed, which was my wife's maiden name before I married her.
 

mjkhan

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Now my question to u all.1(Which son did Abraham to to offer for sacrifice.2)what is the scientific error in bible3) what was the first miracle if jesus?
 

mjkhan

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Okay, so you are Muslim, but don't you both teach and believe Jesus was just a prophet like Mohammed, and just a man of God?
Whatever your definition of a prophet is.
My wife's relatives on both sides, mother's and father's sides, were Muslim, and she said the same thing as you, only, from what I can tell, they kind of mixed the Muslim ways with the Catholic. But she did say they were nothing like what we have seen on tv concerning, what is commonly called, radical Islam.
Both my wife's mother and father's last names were Mohammed, which was my wife's maiden name before I married her.
But why didn"t u read Quran n Islam then.? Islam is religion while christianity is cult.
Muslims say to Jesus what he himself said.He never said I m God nor said worship me.Then he came only for jews.
 

know1

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Muslims love n respect jesus more than christians.
Christian not only love Jesus, but praise and worship Him, not only for His work on the cross, to each of us who believe and received Him personally, but because of WHO He is, which is God the Son.
 

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Different bibles,greek,catholic,kjv then revised editions,they are not bothersome?
All are translations of the original texts. One problem is language changes over the years. The KJV suffers from this. Here are the problems with the KJV because of 1611 to today.

Problems with the KJV

Because of the changes in the English language between 1611 to today, a number of words occur in the King James that make zero sense to most people today. These include the following nuggets that you will find scattered here and there:

Almug
Algum
Charashim
Chode
Cracknels
Gat
Habergeon
Hosen
Kab
Ligure
Neesed
Nusings
Ouches
ring-straked
sycamyne
trow
wimples, ….

In addition knowledge of nature has advanced greatly since 1611. The King James translators translated some animal names into animals that in fact we now have pretty good reason for knowing don’t actually exist:

unicorn (Deut. 33:17)
satyr (Isa 13:21);
dragon (Deut 32:33) (for serpent)
cockatrice (Isa 11:8),
arrowsnake (Gen 49:11, in the margin).

Moreover,, there are phrases that simply don’t make sense any more to modern readers: Phrases that no longer make sense:

ouches of gold (Exod. 28:11);
collops of fat (Job 15:25);
naughty figs (Jer 24:2);
ien with (Jer. 3:2);
the ground is chapt (Jer 14:4);
brazen wall” (Jer 15:20);
rentest thy face (Jer. 4:30);
urrain of the cattle (Exod. 9:2);

And there are whole sentences that are confusing at best, virtually indecipherable (or humorous)

And Jacob sod pottage (Gen 25:29)
And Mt. Sinai was altogether on a smoke (Exoc. 19:18)
Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing (Ps. 5:6)
I trow not (Luke 17:9)
We do you to wit of the grace of God (2 Cor. 8:1)
Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels (2 Cor. 6:12)
He who letteth will let (2 Thes 2:7)
The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd (Eccles. 12:11)


Other sentences make sense, but would today be considered somewhat problematic – at least for the sacred Scripture. My favorite is the one that refers one who: “Pisseth against the wall:…. 1 Sam 25:22, 34, I Kings 14:10!
NIV uses the word man.
 

know1

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But why didn"t u read Quran n Islam then.? Islam is religion while christianity is cult.
Muslims say to Jesus what he himself said.He never said I m God nor said worship me.Then he came only for jews.
Yes, Jesus did say He was the Son of God, many times over.
And not just THE SON, but one of the trinity.

Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

That's just one.