Is Charismatic A Cult?

[zone]

Yes, on the day of Pentecost they all understood in their own language.

1 Corinthians is talking about the operation of speaking in tongues. There is interpretation and there is also speaking in an unknown tongue.

1 Corinth is speaking of the IDENTICAL phenomenon.
the difference was, the corinths were speaking in the miraculous new languages without translators or the gift of translation. so it was USELESS.

 

[notuptome]

Those who followed Jim Jones zealously defended their beliefs. There is no honor or virtue in believing something just because you believe it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[zone]

and this is why I prefer to stay on topic

some people just go off the reservation when tongues is mentionned

why the hate?

no need for that at all

its a demonic practice. that's why I hate it.

your topic is the CULT nature of charismaticism.
so-called tongues is a HUGE part of that.

 

[zone]

that is exactly what established RELIGION said to Jesus when they crucified Him


I see no reason why you think it ok to attack others and call them demonic or there words demonic

what are you afraid of?

anyone who says that the scripture are a just a book for thumping with no power, after God has declared over and over that it is HIS WORD given to us all for ALL we need, is listening to demons.

you would want to amend your thinking on that matter (repent).

 

[1ofthem]

the burbling and babbling known as "tongues" is NOT biblical nor from God.

the disciples at penetecost spoke the languages of the people who had come in from surrounding nations for Pentecost - they were UNDERSTOOD in the peoples' native languages

This is where I'll end this conversation with you. You can choose to believe as you will, and that's your choice.

I choose to follow the Bible and I don't speak against anything that is written in the Bible because it is a fearful thing to fall in the hands of a living God.

 

[AuntieAnt]

I believe a cult is when people put their faith in doctrinal beliefs rather than Christ Jesus himself. In other words, they trust in their intellectual mind and put faith in their emotions rather than believing the Spirit of the Lord with their whole heart.

 

[Jon316]

I think a cult is more like a group that removes all critical-thinking from its followers. A cult would emphasize that they are 100% correct and theres no other way. They will keep you in a bubble for as long as possible. Persuade you not to look outside of them for anything.
A cult doesn't follow the Word of God or encourage you to study it.

 

[1ofthem]

Those who followed Jim Jones zealously defended their beliefs. There is no honor or virtue in believing something just because you believe it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

No one here is saying there isn't cults out there, but taking things out of the Bible just cause you don't like what it says don't work either.

Woe to anyone who adds to or takes away...looks like many people are forgetting that scripture nowadays.

 

[zone]

1 Timothy 4
11Command and teach these things. 12Let no one despise you for your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity. 13Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation, to teaching. 14Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophecy when the council of elders laid their hands on you. 15Practice these things, immerse yourself in them,c so that all may see your progress. 16Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.

anything in there about tongues or signs and wonders for Timothy? - nope.
(the gift was his office as pastor/teacher)

 

[resurrection33]

i was wondering if it is since i have always thought that it is a bit... different (in a bad way)

any opinions on this?

I'm not sure what you mean by "charismatic," but I used to see that word thrown about, and it left me with the impression that "charismatics" are groups of people who call themselves Christian, who practice vanity. However, I really don't know.

 

[trofimus]

here is a definitive and thorough explanation:

Submission:

• Complete, almost unquestioned trust in the leadership.
• Leaders are often seen as prophets, apostles, or special individuals with unusual connections to God. This helps a person give themselves over psychologically to trusting someone else for their spiritual welfare.
• Increased submission to the leadership is rewarded with additional responsibilities and/or roles, and/or praises, increasing the importance of the person within the group.

source and the rest of the article here and well worth the read


Pentecostals and Charismatics are not a cult...if you call them a cult, Baptists and every other Christian denom are also cults, which is not to say that cult like behavior does not occur...if you have human beings involved, you are liable to get most anything

Even with this definition I will again say "yes, it is".

Fully corresponds with what I have seen in the charismatic movement.

I know many other denominations (I am still looking for "my" church so I visit many of them) and I have seen this (definition in your post) strongly only between charismatics and 7th day adventists.

Baptists are OK, I think. I have not seen anything wrong with them.

Are you a charismatic yourself?

 

[LaurenTM]

its a demonic practice. that's why I hate it.

your topic is the CULT nature of charismaticism.
so-called tongues is a HUGE part of that.

again, why the hate?

you do not seem able to express your personal views without accusing and creating an argument based on personal insult instead of keeping on the subject matter

what you are attempting to do, is called bullying and it does crop up on these forums from time to time

it goes something like this:

YOU disagree therefore the other person with whom you disagree is vilified and accosted with names and accusations

YOU attempt to express your 'hatred' of the topic or diversion from said topic in this case, by saying you are defending the Bible, in order to justify your lashing out...however, it is plain your words are personal and not in the least edifying to anyone here

in fact, I have met a good number like yourself who do not believe in the Holy Spirit working as God allows...who put their intellect before the Spirit of God and feel obligated to accuse others who have a different understanding and experience...however most of those people manage to keep civility in mind and desire to discuss

when people simply accuse and assume they have hit on the most awful thing to accuse another of...denying the other person is a believer and accusing them of being demonic...I understand I am not dealing with the entirely resonable expectation of having any sort of intelligent exchange

you are obviously on a personal rant...so I'll let you have at it...perhaps you can attack another person as many here believe exactly as do I

 

[notuptome]

No one here is saying there isn't cults out there, but taking things out of the Bible just cause you don't like what it says don't work either.

Woe to anyone who adds to or takes away...looks like many people are forgetting that scripture nowadays.

Every bible we have today is a translation and not an original manuscript. We must rely upon more than just what is written on the page to understand it.

Surely taking texts and making doctrine on them without regard to context will lead to cultism and heresy.

Acts 17:10 ¶ And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[LaurenTM]

Even with this definition I will again say "yes, it is".

Fully corresponds with what I have seen in the charismatic movement.

I know many other denominations (I am still looking for "my" church so I visit many of them) and I have seen this (definition in your post) strongly only between charismatics and 7th day adventists.

Baptists are OK, I think. I have not seen anything wrong with them.

Are you a charismatic yourself?

right...

you read the entire article then? cause it is not just this simplified little blurb

I am not Charismatic...I find much at fault in many of those circles

I simply believe what scripture teaches...and I do believe in the gifts of the Spirit as described in the Bible

if you believe Charismatics are a cult, you are stating that they never question anything, believe that one person should lead and be in complete authority and do not follow the gospel

now if you think that to be true, I am sorry, but you are not educated in what they believe

you might read that article...I didn't put it together

 

[zone]

again, why the hate?

you do not seem able to express your personal views without accusing and creating an argument based on personal insult instead of keeping on the subject matter

what you are attempting to do, is called bullying and it does crop up on these forums from time to time

it goes something like this:

YOU disagree therefore the other person with whom you disagree is vilified and accosted with names and accusations

YOU attempt to express your 'hatred' of the topic or diversion from said topic in this case, by saying you are defending the Bible, in order to justify your lashing out...however, it is plain your words are personal and not in the least edifying to anyone here

in fact, I have met a good number like yourself who do not believe in the Holy Spirit working as God allows...who put their intellect before the Spirit of God and feel obligated to accuse others who have a different understanding and experience...however most of those people manage to keep civility in mind and desire to discuss

when people simply accuse and assume they have hit on the most awful thing to accuse another of...denying the other person is a believer and accusing them of being demonic...I understand I am not dealing with the entirely resonable expectation of having any sort of intelligent exchange

you are obviously on a personal rant...so I'll let you have at it...perhaps you can attack another person as many here believe exactly as do I

blah blah.
you open a provocative thread, then police it if it doesn't go your way.

I said - I hate THE PRACTICE since IT is demonic.
don't you hate what the Lord hates? I would hope so.

if you don't like dialogue with me, don't engage.
I have no problem with discussing anything, including things I feel strongly about.
so how about less whining and more true exploration of your topic?

I don't care how many people are charismatics.....it's false and flesh and sinful nonsense.

 

[trofimus]

right...

you read the entire article then? cause it is not just this simplified little blurb

I am not Charismatic...I find much at fault in many of those circles

I simply believe what scripture teaches...and I do believe in the gifts of the Spirit as described in the Bible

if you believe Charismatics are a cult, you are stating that they never question anything, believe that one person should lead and be in complete authority and do not follow the gospel

now if you think that to be true, I am sorry, but you are not educated in what they believe

you might read that article...I didn't put it together

I do not need to be "educated" in what they believe, because I was one of them most of my life. But thanks for your worry.

 

[zone]

for anyone whose mind is not yet darkened by charismaticism

Charismatic Chaos
Charismatic Chaos

 

[zone]

APOSTLES AND PROPHETS TODAY

There are those who claim to be apostles and prophets by their own word. Others claim it by showing their signs, wonders and miracles. This so-called signs and wonders movement is part of an effort to restore what they understood to be the five-fold ministry described in Ephesians 4:11. The proliferators of the movement claim that these dynamics are what is necessary for the church to have power. In actuality, those who lay claim to this ministry today are operating under a misunderstanding of apostles and prophets of the Bible....

Apostles & Prophets

 

[laura_charlotte]

I think a cult is more like a group that removes all critical-thinking from its followers. A cult would emphasize that they are 100% correct and theres no other way. They will keep you in a bubble for as long as possible. Persuade you not to look outside of them for anything.
A cult doesn't follow the Word of God or encourage you to study it.

This is accurate. Great definition.

 

[FlSnookman7]

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