Is Charismatic A Cult?
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Did He? Or did a scribe add that to the end of Mark? If it is out of context with the rest of scripture then it could be and addition from man.
There is not a reference where Jesus spoke in tongues or told others to speak in tongues. Jesus taught prayer but not tongues. If Jesus taught His disciples to pray because it was important and they asked Him then why not teach them to speak or pray in tongues?
Jesus gave us an example to how to live and serve but nothing on tongues.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
There is not a reference where Jesus spoke in tongues or told others to speak in tongues. Jesus taught prayer but not tongues. If Jesus taught His disciples to pray because it was important and they asked Him then why not teach them to speak or pray in tongues?
Jesus gave us an example to how to live and serve but nothing on tongues.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
i took a cults awareness class in college. i don't remember the exact definition that was used for class. what i remember is when a group branches out from a "mainstream" religion. one of the main factors (if not THE main factor) that would define a cult is the group denies the deity of Christ.
this is what i remember from class.
this is what i remember from class.
L
pssst...
it is clear He already had the approval of God when the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in the form of a dove after He was baptized
however, it seems the first evidence of speaking in tongues was on the day of Pentecost...see the book of Acts (of the Apostles)
well that is certainly not truthful
the ones who knew the scriptures the best, including Paul while he was yet Saul, TOTALLY DENIED Him
because they were basing their understanding on human comprehension of who and what they thought God should be doing with regards to the Roman occupation
something very similar to folks today who think they understand but are in actual denial
AGAIN...this thread is not about tongues Roger!!!!
I agree with this. I would also say that to not say that the blood of Jesus is what brings redemption and the forgiveness of sins would be a biggie for me too.
There are thousands of denominations that have some form of a works-based salvation system but that to me is not a deal-breaker as long as they have received Christ as their sacrifice for sins initially.
I would dare say that there are none of us that are living now with total dependence on Christ's work which is by grace through faith alone in our everyday lives.
There are thousands of denominations that have some form of a works-based salvation system but that to me is not a deal-breaker as long as they have received Christ as their sacrifice for sins initially.
I would dare say that there are none of us that are living now with total dependence on Christ's work which is by grace through faith alone in our everyday lives.
the signs and wonders performed by the apostles have ceased, exactly as paul said they would.
we have what Timothy and Titus had (without Paul):
2 Timothy 4
Preach the Word
1I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 3For the time is coming when people will not endure sounda teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. 5As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
and more so:
2 Timothy 3:10
You, however, have observed my teaching, my conduct, my purpose, my faith, my patience, my love, my endurance,
Titus 1:13
This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sternly, so that they will be sound in the faith,
Titus 2:15
Speak these things as you encourage and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.
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2 Timothy 3
All Scripture Is Breathed Out by God
10You, however, have followed my teaching, my conduct, my aim in life, my faith, my patience, my love, my steadfastness, 11my persecutions and sufferings that happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium, and at Lystra—which persecutions I endured; yet from them all the Lord rescued me. 12Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whoma you learned it 15and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17that the man of Godb may be complete, equipped for every good work.
we have what Timothy and Titus had (without Paul):
2 Timothy 4
Preach the Word
1I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 3For the time is coming when people will not endure sounda teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. 5As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
and more so:
2 Timothy 3:10
You, however, have observed my teaching, my conduct, my purpose, my faith, my patience, my love, my endurance,
Titus 1:13
This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sternly, so that they will be sound in the faith,
Titus 2:15
Speak these things as you encourage and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.
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2 Timothy 3
All Scripture Is Breathed Out by God
10You, however, have followed my teaching, my conduct, my aim in life, my faith, my patience, my love, my steadfastness, 11my persecutions and sufferings that happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium, and at Lystra—which persecutions I endured; yet from them all the Lord rescued me. 12Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whoma you learned it 15and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17that the man of Godb may be complete, equipped for every good work.
L
yet again Roger...this is about whether or not Charismatics are members of a cult
your personal agenda would most likely best be suited to a thread on tongues...of which there are many and most full of your opinions
do you have a reason you wish to divert the entire thread YOUR way?
the thread should stay on track as it is a question that evokes thought and discussion...the topic you seem to wish to discuss, has been talked to death
Jesus had the approval of God before He left heaven even before the world was created. Still if tongues were that important Jesus would have taught them to the apostles and to the disciples.
Paul thought he knew everything not unlike the religionists of today. What did Peter say?
Joh 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
The Pharisees were blinded but the people, the humble fishermen knew Him.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Paul thought he knew everything not unlike the religionists of today. What did Peter say?
Joh 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
The Pharisees were blinded but the people, the humble fishermen knew Him.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
L
Oh no worries Roger...I not only connect dots...I see them coming and the subject you keep trying to deflect the thread with, results in plenty of little circular reasonings...not interested...
here is the op again:
Is Charismatic A Cult?
here is the op again:
Is Charismatic A Cult?
i was wondering if it is since i have always thought that it is a bit... different (in a bad way)
any opinions on this?
any opinions on this?
The Holy Spirit gave Jesus the charisma to speak the truth and the people received it gladly. The word charisma has been corrupted to apply to differently today than when Jesus was here.
An orator who speaks charismatically is not the same as a charismatic in the charismatic movement.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
An orator who speaks charismatically is not the same as a charismatic in the charismatic movement.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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