Is Charismatic A Cult?

[LaurenTM]

here is a definitive and thorough explanation of what a cult is made of; in KEEPING with the op

Submission:

• Complete, almost unquestioned trust in the leadership.
• Leaders are often seen as prophets, apostles, or special individuals with unusual connections to God. This helps a person give themselves over psychologically to trusting someone else for their spiritual welfare.
• Increased submission to the leadership is rewarded with additional responsibilities and/or roles, and/or praises, increasing the importance of the person within the group.

source and the rest of the article here and well worth the read


Pentecostals and Charismatics are not a cult...if you call them a cult, Baptists and every other Christian denom are also cults, which is not to say that cult like behavior does not occur...if you have human beings involved, you are liable to get most anything

 

[zone]

These attacks on the Holy Spirit, because that is truly what they are, are clothed with the suggestion that God has somehow decided, apparently apart from what is written, to remove the authority of the believer IN Him, and have us thump our Bibles instead with no resolve other than our own

in other words, your post is not enlightened and not supported by scripture

this is AWFUL!

your demonic denigration of the sacred writings able to make us wise unto salvation is deplorable.
typically charismatic.
read the following very carefully.

2 Timothy 3
All Scripture Is Breathed Out by God

10You, however, have followed my teaching, my conduct, my aim in life, my faith, my patience, my love, my steadfastness, 11my persecutions and sufferings that happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium, and at Lystra—which persecutions I endured; yet from them all the Lord rescued me. 12Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whoma you learned it 15and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17that the man of Godb may be complete, equipped for every good work.


16All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17that the man of Godb may be complete, equipped for every good work.
16All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17that the man of Godb may be complete, equipped for every good work.
16All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17that the man of Godb may be complete, equipped for every good work.

 

[notuptome]

I kinda figured that one was coming. But if we start letting everyone just pick out verses they don't like and say scribes wrote them, there wouldn't be much of a Bible left...would there?

Never suggested taking them out only that they must be kept in context and not used to go off on a cult tangent.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[LaurenTM]

this is AWFUL!

your demonic denigration of the sacred writings able to make us wise unto salvation is deplorable.
typically charismatic.

this had been reported

it is a personal attack and not acceptable

ps...I am not Charismatic

 

[1ofthem]

tongues means languages, like French and German.
nothing else.

Here it says unknown tongue...all those other languages are known so I don't think they could be classified as unknown tongues:

1 Corinthians 14:2
​

For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

 

[Grace777x70]

here is a definitive and thorough explanation:

Submission:

• Complete, almost unquestioned trust in the leadership.
• Leaders are often seen as prophets, apostles, or special individuals with unusual connections to God. This helps a person give themselves over psychologically to trusting someone else for their spiritual welfare.
• Increased submission to the leadership is rewarded with additional responsibilities and/or roles, and/or praises, increasing the importance of the person within the group.

source and the rest of the article here and well worth the read


Pentecostals and Charismatics are not a cult...if you call them a cult, Baptists and every other Christian denom are also cults, which is not to say that cult like behavior does not occur...if you have human beings involved, you are liable to get most anything

I agree...some times even the so-called quieter people in other denominations can still have the signs of a cult. It doesn't have to do all the time with the emotional level of the people.

Charismatics are usually more vocal and emotional - well Pentecostals are too. I have heard preachers say "It's quieter than in a Presbyterian church in here" - obviously meaning they are non-emotional in a service.

It's funny - the non-emotional responding people in services think the emotional ones are out of line and the emotional ones think the quiet unemotional people are dead...lol.

We are so judgmental of others that are not like us.

 

[zone]

this had been reported

it is a personal attack and not acceptable

ps...I am not Charismatic

Quote Originally Posted by LaurenTM View Post

These attacks on the Holy Spirit, because that is truly what they are, are clothed with the suggestion that God has somehow decided, apparently apart from what is written, to remove the authority of the believer IN Him, and have us thump our Bibles instead with no resolve other than our own

in other words, your post is not enlightened and not supported by scripture

................

no more a personal attack than your post.
my observation is of the words on a screen.
I don't even know you.

but your words are demonically inspired - who else downgrades the Holy Scriptures this way?

 

[melita916]

if i can find my notes from class, i'll share them.

 

[notuptome]

Here it says unknown tongue...all those other languages are known so I don't think they could be classified as unknown tongues:

1 Corinthians 14:2
​

For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

You express one possible interpretation but it could mean only that the tongues was not know to one or more of the parties in the conversation. God of course would always know but other people may not know having no knowledge of the language. There is of course no point in language that the speaker and the hearer do not comprehend.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[zone]

Here it says unknown tongue...all those other languages are known so I don't think they could be classified as unknown tongues:

1 Corinthians 14:2
​

For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

if you don't speak German, and you either miraculously speak it, or heard it IN YOUR OWN LANGUAGE, it's UNKNOWN to YOU.

 

[Grace777x70]

If they want you to drink "cool-aid" - that could be a "dead" giveaway sign of a cult in action. ( some pun intended )

 

[zone]

Here it says unknown tongue...all those other languages are known so I don't think they could be classified as unknown tongues:

1 Corinthians 14:2
​

For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

THE DAY OF PENTECOST, 2,000 YRS AGO:

Acts 2:8
And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language?

Acts 2:8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? < click to learn all the UNKNOWN languages spoken.

 

[LaurenTM]

I agree...some times even the so-called quieter people in other denominations can still have the signs of a cult. It doesn't have to do all the time with the emotional level of the people.

Charismatics are usually more vocal and emotional - well Pentecostals are too. I have heard preachers say "It's quieter than in a Presbyterian church in here" - obviously meaning they are non-emotional in a service.

It's funny - the non-emotional responding people in services think the emotional ones are out of line and the emotional ones think the quiet unemotional people are dead...lol.

We are so judgmental of others that are not like us.

with regards to your last sentence

I agree with application right across the board...the subject does not even have to be about the gifts...mention the Sabbath and see what happens

 

[1ofthem]

if you don't speak German, and you either miraculously speak it, or heard it IN YOUR OWN LANGUAGE, it's UNKNOWN to YOU.

Ok I think they already said this thread isn't supposed to be about tongues and I hate to take it off topic. But....1 Corinthians is saying that he that speaks in a unknown tongue is speaking directly to God and no one else understands it...It is just for that persons own benefit.

1Corinthians 14:2-4
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

 

[LaurenTM]

Quote Originally Posted by LaurenTM View Post

These attacks on the Holy Spirit, because that is truly what they are, are clothed with the suggestion that God has somehow decided, apparently apart from what is written, to remove the authority of the believer IN Him, and have us thump our Bibles instead with no resolve other than our own

in other words, your post is not enlightened and not supported by scripture

................

no more a personal attack than your post.
my observation is of the words on a screen.
I don't even know you.

but your words are demonically inspired - who else downgrades the Holy Scriptures this way?

that is exactly what established RELIGION said to Jesus when they crucified Him


I see no reason why you think it ok to attack others and call them demonic or there words demonic

what are you afraid of?

 

[zone]

that is exactly what established RELIGION said to Jesus when they crucified Him


so thanks

oh perleeze.
typically charismatic: compare yourself to Jesus when called out on tongues rubbish and other folly

 

[zone]

Ok I think they already said this thread isn't supposed to be about tongues and I hate to take it off topic. But....1 Corinthians is saying that he that speaks in a unknown tongue is speaking directly to God and no one else understands it...It is just for that persons own benefit.

1Corinthians 14:2-4
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

the tongues thing is one aspect of the CULTISH nature of charismatic churches and people.

if you speak miraculously (as THEY DID) French, say, but neither you nor anyone else ins your church UNDERSTANDS French, no one is speaking a KNOWN tongue. God knows what you are speaking but you do not.

 

[LaurenTM]

and this is why I prefer to stay on topic

some people just go off the reservation when tongues is mentionned

why the hate?

no need for that at all

 

[1ofthem]

THE DAY OF PENTECOST, 2,000 YRS AGO:

Acts 2:8
And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language?

Acts 2:8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? < click to learn all the UNKNOWN languages spoken.

Yes, on the day of Pentecost they all understood in their own language.

1 Corinthians is talking about the operation of speaking in tongues. There is interpretation and there is also speaking in an unknown tongue.

 

[zone]

Ok I think they already said this thread isn't supposed to be about tongues and I hate to take it off topic. But....1 Corinthians is saying that he that speaks in a unknown tongue is speaking directly to God and no one else understands it...It is just for that persons own benefit.

1Corinthians 14:2-4
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

the burbling and babbling known as "tongues" is NOT biblical nor from God.

the disciples at penetecost spoke the languages of the people who had come in from surrounding nations for Pentecost - they were UNDERSTOOD in the peoples' native languages