Is Christmas paganism?

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Lillywolf

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I posted because of your statement, not Shamah's. Your misrepresentation of Him is between you and the Christ of the Bible.
I adore it when someone responds with, God will judge you for that! When they're in the wrong. You presume to speak for Shamah when you have no right to and then you throw, God will judge me for taking note of your hubris.
Hey, thanks. :) Very informative.
 

Lillywolf

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I know you are not HR or any other group Shamah. I love your posts and your insight, and encourage you to continue. There are many who see what is going on here.

I hope you are having a prosperous "Fast" today.

With His Love. SM.
There are indeed many. And there are those who defend what is being done here and assail those with threats that God shall judge them for it.
 

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I mostly agree with what you say here, just want to say, I don't see the form and way of worshiping and following YHWH as "bogged down on biblical minutia" Yahshua/Jesus says "you must worship the father in Sprit and truth" Avout the "all lawful" with all things or not all things. We can;t say "all things" then go "but not this and that" that is not all things... Also I think the spirit vs letter term is misunderstood. The pharisees took "you shall not swaer falsely in the name of YHWH" and made a "talmudic law" that said they can swear falsely as long as it is not in His name. the term "the letter" is the twisting and lawyering" of the written word. Of course the spirit and/or intent of what is written is the only true way to follow YHWH and His Law. and honestly, I fully agree we all need to, myself inculded to as you say pary for guadnace and strength to serve Him, to be what He wants I think is a life long process, continually going His way and not looking back. May the Most High guide us.
I believe that we are good now. Let us go in peace. :)
 

Lillywolf

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It's funny you jumped on me because of a false accusation another made, and told me it was my burdein to provide proof I did not say that... No the accuser has to show where I did say that. He can not because I did not say what he claims.

Ohh and this is for you:
THERE YOU GO! :) It only took what? And oprior to my observation about your deflection and tactics of querent avoidance?
And there you posted it again. You're not HRM. That's twice now. Could have saved so many pages if you'd had the courage to simply address an accusation with a simple truth. Who cares if someone is accusatory? Truth doesn't have to speak a word and it is eternal.
Avoiding it because of someone's tone disrespects the truth one is living. They take offense first due to humans being self-absorbed. But not all do that. Some speak so as to stop the wrong thinking. Those type bear those characteristics that are possessed by some of the great evangelists of our time. They speak truth to wrong thinking. Because dying wrong leads to eternal suffering.
 

Lillywolf

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I gotta say... there are some mighty twists and turns to this .... "discussion". What is the motive, I wonder... (Seriously, I am curious). Is it out of love that posts are made or is it out of rightness (as the Jews were about the law than God Himself - which is why Jesus was so harsh with them)?

Why are we fighting one another here? Is it a Salvation issue? We're supposed to be brothers and sisters in Christ. Didn't Jesus warn us about such things if we continue down this kind of path?

Just a friendly warning before heading off this thread. <3
Good day and be joyous in the Lord! :D
Great post. No, not everyone who is in Christ possesses the capacity to live in love and see the church as people who are sisters and brothers and one together in Christ. People can pretend on the net. Fruits are what tell the tell in the vineyard.

I too am heading out of this post. The question is answered. All that's left now is , well, what you've observed. But only if we agree to participate in that.

May God ever bring you joy.
 

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how sad and heart-breaking it is to witness those who call themselves 'Christians' abusing
one another without a bit of remorse -
it tends to make one wonder about their hearts and motives!...
 

Shamah

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THERE YOU GO! :) It only took what? And oprior to my observation about your deflection and tactics of querent avoidance?
And there you posted it again. You're not HRM. That's twice now. Could have saved so many pages if you'd had the courage to simply address an accusation with a simple truth. Who cares if someone is accusatory? Truth doesn't have to speak a word and it is eternal.
Avoiding it because of someone's tone disrespects the truth one is living. They take offense first due to humans being self-absorbed. But not all do that. Some speak so as to stop the wrong thinking. Those type bear those characteristics that are possessed by some of the great evangelists of our time. They speak truth to wrong thinking. Because dying wrong leads to eternal suffering.
No That was something I had said before and have said in the past, GB9 routienely tells me I am,..

You say deflection but it is something that I said in this very thread and others today... If you have enought information about what I believe to accuse me I would think that you should actually see what I post...
 

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Thank you and I also enjoy you brother! You know I remember the time when I was just learning the word and even before that, it has been an amazong journey and still is. Thanks be to Yah that we can know Him and He knows us! The Day of Atonement starts soon where I am, I am looking forward to it, I think im going to really get into the Word concerning the recompense YHWH pays to Mystery Babylon and those, it's not a pretty picture but it must be done, and praiseYah for His kingdom will reign!

This is going to be my studies summed up:

Revelation 18:4-8,4 And I heard another voice from the heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. (Jer 51:6, Jer 51:9, Jer 51:45. Also see Jer 50:8, Jer 50:13, Jer 50:28) 5 “Because her sins have piled up to reach the heaven, and Elohim has remembered her unrighteousnesses."6 “Render to her as she indeed did render, and repay her double according to her works. In the cup which she has mixed, mix for her double."7 “As much as she esteemed herself and lived riotously, so much torture and grief give to her, because in her heart she says, ‘I sit as sovereigness, and I am not a widow, and I do not see mourning at all.’"8 “Because of this her plagues shall come in one day: death and mourning and scarcity of food. And she shall be burned up with fire, because יהוה Elohim who judges her is mighty."

Jeremiah 16:16-21,16 “See, I am sending for many fishermen,” declares יהוה, “and they shall fish them. And after that I shall send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain and every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks."17 “For My eyes are on all their ways; they have not been hidden from My face, nor has their crookedness been hidden from My eyes."18 “And first I shall repay double for their crookedness and their sin, because they have defiled My land with the dead bodies of their disgusting matters, and have filled My inheritance with their abominations.”"19 O יהוה, my strength and my stronghold and my refuge, in the day of distress the nations shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, “Our fathers have inherited only falsehood, futility, and there is no value in them.” (Psa 147:19, Isa 2:3, Isa 60:2-3, Joh 4:22) 20 Would a man make mighty ones for himself, which are not mighty ones?"21 “Therefore see, I am causing them to know, this time I cause them to know My hand and My might. And they shall know that My Name is יהוה!”



May Yah bless you!

Psalm 27:5, “For in the day of evil He hides me in His booth; In the covering of His Tent He hides me; On a rock He raises me up.”
Thanks for that.

I studied the event is Lev. 16 where there comes a time when the sins of the world will be placed on the head of the "goat" which it belongs. It is fascinating to me how the two goats signify Christ and satan. And the first goat was slain for the sins of the people, but at His return the sins will be placed back on the head of the second goat where it belongs.

Great stuff

You have a good night my friend.
 

Shamah

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Thanks for that.

I studied the event is Lev. 16 where there comes a time when the sins of the world will be placed on the head of the "goat" which it belongs. It is fascinating to me how the two goats signify Christ and satan. And the first goat was slain for the sins of the people, but at His return the sins will be placed back on the head of the second goat where it belongs.

Great stuff

You have a good night my friend.
It is really awesome! I remember years ago reading that and hoving no clue what it really meant, vauge ideas, but when it is understood more fully it is amazing, Yah;s plan, from the beginning.. YOu too!
 

MattforJesus

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We do acknowledge the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, and can celebrate that day every day.

I do not believe Jesus was born on December 25.

Those of the past liked to interpret the Bible according to paganism, and like America cater to all people to make them all happy, and their beliefs actually compatible, with a core belief, like the new age movement that interprets all religions according to paganism, and the occult, that will lead all the people who do not love God to follow the New Age Christ, antichrist, in the future.

The Roman Empire did not get rid of their pagan ways, but held unto them, and it became their foundation for the interpretation of scriptures, which we can see today, with the exaltation of people, and all the practices they do.

But it has gone too far with this pagan garbage, and shall we let them win on December 25 with their sun god, and pagan garbage, and try to make it appear as if Jesus the Savior, and greatest of all that created the sun is just the same as their pagan beliefs, and a part of it, as they try to make all religions compatible with their beliefs, but let us celebrate the birth of Jesus and show the separation we have concerning Jesus that He is not part of their pagan belief system, but the Lord who created everything.

For they would like us to celebrate along with them, their pagan ways, and their interpretation of Jesus, but let's show them that we celebrate Jesus as God, and not one of the fellas, like the new age movement that believes Jesus is a good teacher, but not the only teacher, and not the final teacher.

Like the Pharisees they commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit by relating Jesus to their pagan beliefs, for He is a clean Spirit not an unclean Spirit.

Or should we altogether not celebrate the birth of Jesus, and have nothing to do with their ways, and separate ourselves that way, but then the silence would not do justice if we let them have their way completely.

It will not hurt to celebrate the birth of Jesus and claim Him as above all their ways, and not the Jesus they claim to let it ring forth that we are different than them in the concept of reality.

Luk 14:12 Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee.
Luk 14:13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:
Luk 14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

But as far as gift giving I do not get it, for we give gifts to each other but we do not need the gifts, and then say it is a good thing to give.

Oh here Dad, I got you a Christmas gift for I want to give this Christmas season, although he makes over 100,000 dollars a year, as if he needs the gift, and I do not need the gifts they give me, so it makes no sense.

It makes no sense to be giving gifts, and say it is good to give, when many people do not need the gift, and we give to each other.

Give to the people that need it, like the homeless, and people struggling, for then it would make more sense in gift giving.

Gift giving should all be done for the poor and needy like it should be.

Christmas should only be for the children, but in a way that does not make sense, for they have their needs met, and parents should be giving them things without it being Christmas if they want them to have play things.

And another thing about gift giving on Christmas is why bow down to the corporations, stores, that only care about give me, give me, and they rub their hands together and say oh goody goody during the Christmas season of all the gifts people buy for people that do not need them as a necessity, or to survive.

And all the money spent for trees, and decorations, the same as forth of July, and Easter, and Halloween, which the Christians need to stop spending millions of dollars on them catering to the greedy people who sell stuff.

Let the heathen make the heathen rich, not the Christians making the heathen rich while people are starving, and need clothing.

So many people who claim to be a Christian do not celebrate the gift giving season right anyway catering to businesses, and people who are not in need, when it should be all about the poor and needy, for that is true giving according to Jesus, because they cannot pay you back.
 

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Yes I know, the priests of Ishtar, a grotesque Babylonian practice... and it crazy because I find it repulsive to celebrate a holiday based on this pagan ritual look at all the attacks im getting... crazy.... I assume most people don't know this however, but it only takes about 10 minutes looking up the history of these days from reliable non-bias sources to find the truth...
Finally someone who feels the same awww huugs
 

Shamah

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Finally someone who feels the same awww huugs
May Yah guide!

John 17:17-19, “Set them apart in Your truth – Your Word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I also sent them into the world. And for them I set Myself apart, so that they too might be set apart in truth.”

Psalms 95:1-3, “Come, let us sing to יהוה! Let us raise a shout to the Rock of our salvation. Let us come before His face with thanksgiving; Let us raise a shout to Him in song. For יהוה is a great Strength, and a great Sovereign above all mighty ones.”
 

Lillywolf

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No That was something I had said before and have said in the past, GB9 routienely tells me I am,..

You say deflection but it is something that I said in this very thread and others today... If you have enought information about what I believe to accuse me I would think that you should actually see what I post...
The problem you have is presuming people are what you think they are. And have not done what you accuse them of failing in.
I have read you. If you notice that is how I know of your deflective avoidance posture for all so many posts when I posted what was my NLP observation.
It matters little. As long as you have the studyman account at your back the two of you can together be what you imagine together or as one. And see others as the offender while you are the perpetual victim of their posts.
Your game does not interest me more than to say this.
 

Shamah

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The problem you have is presuming people are what you think they are. And have not done what you accuse them of failing in.
I have read you. If you notice that is how I know of your deflective avoidance posture for all so many posts when I posted what was my NLP observation.
It matters little. As long as you have the studyman account at your back the two of you can together be what you imagine together or as one. And see others as the offender while you are the perpetual victim of their posts.
Your game does not interest me more than to say this.
SO you said Im a part of a certian sect/group but IM he one who "presumes"

I'm going to agree with the other member that you are HRM.
ok
 

Shamah

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The Encyclopedia Americana 1946, Christmas:
“CHRISTMAS, the 'Mass of Christ'--- In the 5th century the Western Church ordered it to be celebrated forever on the day of the old Roman feast of the Birth of Sol (the Sun). Among the German and Celtic tribes, the Winter Solstice was considered an important point of the year, and they held their chief festival of Yule to commemorate the return of the burning-wheel (the sun).”
 
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how sad and heart-breaking it is to witness those who call themselves 'Christians' abusing
one another without a bit of remorse -
it tends to make one wonder about their hearts and motives!...
Indeed even songs writers...
 

Lillywolf

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how sad and heart-breaking it is to witness those who call themselves 'Christians' abusing
one another without a bit of remorse -
it tends to make one wonder about their hearts and motives!...
Do you have any logs in your eye here?
 
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The Encyclopedia Americana 1946, Christmas:
“CHRISTMAS, the 'Mass of Christ'--- In the 5th century the Western Church ordered it to be celebrated forever on the day of the old Roman feast of the Birth of Sol (the Sun). Among the German and Celtic tribes, the Winter Solstice was considered an important point of the year, and they held their chief festival of Yule to commemorate the return of the burning-wheel (the sun).”
Just curious do you think those solstice have any biblical meaning or references.
 

Lillywolf

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Just curious do you think those solstice have any biblical meaning or references.
Mid-Winter, or winter solstice? Likely so it just isn't called that in the scripture.

Where Does “Christmas” Originate From?


In the Book of Luke, Jesus’ words spoken to his followers at the last supper on Nisan 14th (the day of unleavened bread when the Passover lamb was to be sacrificed) are as follows:

“(17)And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: (18) For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. (19) And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. (20) Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you” (Luke 22:17-19).​


An Ancient Holiday Season

Although many Christian people continue to observe December 25th as the date of Jesus’ birth, there is no scriptural evidence for this date. Many students of the Bible have come to the conclusion that the blessed event took place around the beginning of October, as we have explained in the post titled Calculating the Date of Jesus’ Birth.

 

Shamah

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Just curious do you think those solstice have any biblical meaning or references.
Not as form of religious worship, but to mark "appointed times" (that can show us the timing of a Feast, Sabbath, prophetic event) is one reason the sun, moon and stars were created:

Genesis 1:14, "And the Mighty One said, “Let lights come to be in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and appointed times, and for days and years.”

Psalm 104:19, "You appointed the moon for setting the appointed times. The sun knows its going down."

However people have twisted these into their own way:

Psalms 74:4, “Your adversaries have roared In the midst of Your appointments; They have set up their own signs as signs.”