Is Christ's church divided?

[eternally-gratefull]

I thought Zone was a her

Oops, I thought you meant red. Misread on my part..lol

 

[Tigger2]

You really have no idea what this parable is talking about. The plain scriptures that you are trying to interpret as to the true meaning is not working for you. You strive but you do not understand. You do not see the disposition of the heart of the elder brother toward his younger brother. You miss and can not see the words 'is alive again'. There is so much in this parable that you have no capacity to understand and what you do not understand you mock because you lack in seeing and understanding.

Mt 13:10-13 10 And the disciples came , and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given . 12 For whosoever hath , to him shall be given , and he shall have more abundance : but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

I'm beginning to see the problem here & I believe it's spiritual blindness. Red33 you have come to a debate with no ammunition in your arsenal. I have followed you in several debates & you do the same thing in all of them. Just my opinion but if I were you I would quit because you are being chopped to pieces by God's words. You seem to be like the man coming to a gun fight with a knife or club, so to speak!!!

 

[zone]

But they do not have the holy Spirit on them in BODILY FORM, nor were they conceived by a virgin on whom the Spirit came

ON them in BODILY FORM?

if Jesus is not God, how and when did He receive the Spirit ON HIM in Bodily form?

when was he created? was he created to be the lamb?

what manner of entity is He now?

 

[livingbygrace]

ON them in BODILY FORM?

if Jesus is not God, how and when did He receive the Spirit ON HIM in Bodily form?

when was he created? was he created to be the lamb?

what manner of entity is He now?

Zone,

Rather than another thread being swamped by this subject I will answer your questions on the thread

Jesus Christ was God manifest in the flesh


But as so far all I have done is answer the questions you put to me(to the best of my ability) I will then put a set of questions to you. I grow weary in this debate of being expected to answer others questions on this subject while they either ignore or refuse to answer my questions. That is not fair or true debate.
I am not saying you have ever done this, but I only debate now with those who attempt to answer the questions I put to them

 

[phil36]

Matthew 28: 18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Jesus said that ALL authority has been given to Him. The word all means, All!

Matthew 16: 18 "I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church ; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. This means that death cannot overcome Christ's church. The only power Satan has over anyone is death, caused by our own sins. Satan cannot touch Christ's church.

Romans 8: 38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Once again, Satan cannot touch Christ's church, or remove anyone from it.

By the way, Jesus Christ has already defeated Satan!!

Christ's church is spiritual, and cannot be divided.

Matthew 12: 25 And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, "Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste ; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 "If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself ; how then will his kingdom stand ?

If Jesus Christ has all authority in heaven and earth, then His church can only be divided if He allows it. Jesus is not going to allow His church to be divided for the very reasons He Himself stated above!

Satan wants us to believe that Christ's church is divided so that we will believe the false prophets he sends into the world to deceive us. He wants us to look away from God's word found in the bible, and to search for other truths claimed by those who hate the bible, for it convicts them, and reveals their untruths to the world.

Do not believe it!

Very good words Dave. Thanks for the post.

Phil

 

[wakeup]

Matthew 28: 18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Jesus said that ALL authority has been given to Him. The word all means, All!

Matthew 16: 18 "I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church ; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. This means that death cannot overcome Christ's church. The only power Satan has over anyone is death, caused by our own sins. Satan cannot touch Christ's church.

Romans 8: 38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Once again, Satan cannot touch Christ's church, or remove anyone from it.

By the way, Jesus Christ has already defeated Satan!!

Christ's church is spiritual, and cannot be divided.

Matthew 12: 25 And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, "Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste ; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 "If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself ; how then will his kingdom stand ?

If Jesus Christ has all authority in heaven and earth, then His church can only be divided if He allows it. Jesus is not going to allow His church to be divided for the very reasons He Himself stated above!

Satan wants us to believe that Christ's church is divided so that we will believe the false prophets he sends into the world to deceive us. He wants us to look away from God's word found in the bible, and to search for other truths claimed by those who hate the bible, for it convicts them, and reveals their untruths to the world.

Do not believe it!

cant you see, or do you refuse to see. only the true church, them that have the same spirit can not be divided, they are all one bound by the same spirit.

 

[wakeup]

ON them in BODILY FORM?

if Jesus is not God, how and when did He receive the Spirit ON HIM in Bodily form?

when was he created? was he created to be the lamb?

what manner of entity is He now?

col.1:15. who is the image of the invisible God ,THE FIRST BORN OF EVERY CREATURE.
1:18.and he is the head of the body,the church: who is the beginning,THE FIRST BORN FROM THE DEAD: that in all things he might have the preeminence.

CREATURE???
BORN FROM THE DEAD? = RESURECTION=BORN AGAIN = SPIRIT,NOT FLESH.

 

[AnandaHya]

wait I thought Jesus was the resurrected in both spirit AND Flesh. didn't they have that argument in the early church and Paul wrote in one of his letters saying that Jesus was a man NOT an angel and He was the First resurrected in both BODY and Spirit?

 

[gb9]

this may have already been said,as i did not read all the posts, but one thing i see that does divide the body of Christ is people giveing their opinon or their denoninational belief as fact. if the Word of God does not back it up,then give your opinion, but be clear it is your opinion.

 

[aworldexport67]

Here is Vw's quotation of scripture---

In God, there is no sin. If any one sins and says that they are in Christ, they are a liar, and the truth is not in them.

now lets look at what the scripture really says...

1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

or were you trying to quote

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

either case your incorrect..is this some of the scripture you said i was to immature spiritualy to see in your posts?

vw--
From the Spirit I say to you that you should be careful, lest you fall. For you are using the words of Gid to excuse and condone sin.

that was never said or implied in anything red has written, that is flat out untrue..and you have the nerve to say it is from the Spirit of God..shame on you..

this is your M.O. throughout your posts....you claim to speak for the Spirit of God and you do nothing but bare false witness upon your neighbors...

 

[VW]

You might want to read a little further into John's letter.

 

[aworldexport67]

i have read further and i dont find it says that believers dont sin that there is never a time of need to approach the throne of grace


Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

According to you there is no time of need...

 

[livingbygrace]

From the Spirit I say to you that you should be careful, lest you fall. For you are using the words of Gid to excuse and condone sin.

that was never said or implied in anything red has written, that is flat out untruequote]


Well a certain scenario has been put to Red many times.

A person claims a conversion experiance. For the next ten tears from immediately after a conversion experiance is claimed the person constantly/ceaselessly continuously has affairs, gets drunk, beats their wife and does not at all read a Bible
The question was put to Red can such a person as described be in a saved state after continuoiusly acting as described for TEN YEARS after a conversion experiance is claimed. He most definately believes they can be in a saved state and has used scripture to back up his belief


If this could not be seen as an excuse to sin or be seen as an excuse to condone sin I do not know what could be

 

[AnandaHya]

yep folks I think the horse is certifiably dead.

 

[wakeup]

wait I thought Jesus was the resurrected in both spirit AND Flesh. didn't they have that argument in the early church and Paul wrote in one of his letters saying that Jesus was a man NOT an angel and He was the First resurrected in both BODY and Spirit?

yes, his flesh is changed into spirit. No flesh can come into heaven. Once you are spirit you can change into anything (materialise)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

yes, his flesh is changed into spirit. No flesh can come into heaven. Once you are spirit you can change into anything (materialise)

Yet he ate food. And thomas stuck his finger in his hands. He was flesh. But he was the flesh we will have when we are ressurected. We will be able to eat and feel. But do as Jesus did.

 

[VRJ]

The original question was.............is Christ's church divided......Yes. SERPENTS, SCORPIONS AND THE MULTITUDE.

You have people sitting in the corporate church right now with some who are born again(multitude), some who are religious(scorpions), some who have authority above others...(serpents)

Try telling someone who is a member of a Masonic Lodge that they are not a christian. They now have their own ceremonies in the church itself....the rainbow girls....etc.

 

[VW]

The original question was.............is Christ's church divided......Yes. SERPENTS, SCORPIONS AND THE MULTITUDE.

You have people sitting in the corporate church right now with some who are born again(multitude), some who are religious(scorpions), some who have authority above others...(serpents)

Try telling someone who is a member of a Masonic Lodge that they are not a christian. They now have their own ceremonies in the church itself....the rainbow girls....etc.

Truly the end is near.

Praise God.