Is Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) a total joke?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Jun 5, 2014
1,750
6
0
This is like Wow! It is an example of Excellence in Writing. A crown jewel even. It's a copy, paste, and print to study.

(And just a note: I've seen Angela's replies. Be careful! I shuddered while reading one. Jack, If you're reading this, I want you to know I'm praying for you.)
LOL.

Kodiak "Liked" your post and kodiak also "Liked" Angela's post.

It was kodiak who said that Jesus and the apostles NEVER quoted from the Septuagint.

And kodiak cited YEC websites that said that Jesus and the apostles NEVER quoted from the Septuagint.

I indicated that Jesus and the apostles quoted from BOTH the Septuagint and the Hebrew.

So you "Liked" Angela's post so much, I'm assuming you agree with her that Jesus and the apostles quoted from the Septuagint and therefore do not agree with kodiak and those YEC websites that Jesus and the apostles NEVER quoted from the Septuagint.

Is that correct?

How about you other YECs out there?

Do you agree with Angela or do you agree with the YEC websites and kodiak?

I will be replying directly to Angela.
 
Jun 5, 2014
1,750
6
0
I just wanted to add a personal comment to Jack, if that would be ok??

You are completely out of your depth here, theologically. You quote two other forum members who support your viewpoint, even though you actually know nothing about their theology, just that they happen to support theistic evolution. You don't even know the difference between the words "evangelism" and "theology." You misapply verses to support yourself, because you don't have the vaguest concept of Bible interpretation.

You can argue the twisted and convoluted science all you want. Some of us here have a science background at least equal to yours, and we also have a much greater Biblical understanding and insight than you do.

My prayer is that you will study the Bible, instead of science. (Not that the study of science is wrong or bad, it just seems from your posts you actually have a very weak science background!) My hope is that you will post about growing closer to God, instead of angry tirades using poor logic to prove a theologically untenable position.

May God change and transform your heart, soul, and MIND, and show you the truth of his living Word!
So, if I agree with you on an issue such as in the "A woman as a pastor . . ." you think I'm smart and "Like" a bunch of my posts. But if I don't agree with you I'm stupid and you rant and rage on me.

I agreed with specific statements Bowman and jamie26301 posted in response to the "first Adam" posts you keep copying and pasting on various threads. Why didn't you pursue what they said with them if you didn't agree with what they said?

You would identify Bowman's theology as Theistic Evolution? Personally, if I had to say I would put him in the Old Earth Creationist camp. Hey, wouldn't it be wonderful if Bowman stopped by on this thread and gave us the straight skinny?

There is not much scientific about your science. Your science is not published in reputable scientific journals and it has been determined by federal courts to not be real science. YEC scientists who have testified as expert witnesses in federal court cases like Kitzmiller v. Dover have misrepresented science, according to the judge's opinion.

I'll get around to answering your long rambling post of today sooner or later.
 
Jun 5, 2014
1,750
6
0
Because you are busted so bad you are embarrased.

That is why you WILL NOT BITE on the bacterial flagellar motor.
You blew it off because you know nothing about it.

Think about it jack.8,000,000 of these miniturized motors will fit on the cross section of the human hair.
These motors are reversable and have rotors,stators,driveshafts,and bushings.

Here it is again Jack. get an education jack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-j5kKSk_6U

Now,in your defense,I once took apart an electric motor,ahem,cue sarcasm,and came away with the undisputable notion that it must be a trillion years old. (that was derived from the length of time I figured it took to evolve.

See how your "old earth 'science' " works????
IT COMES FROM THIN AIR.
I responded to your nonsense on this and your expert witness Behe several times.

What part of it is nonsense don't you understand?

So, here is more. From the judge's opinion in Kitzmiller v. Dover after cross examination of your expert witness Behe and others:

"In addition to Professor Behe's admitted failure to properly address the very phenomenon that irreducible complexity purports to place at issue, natural selection, Drs. Miller and Padian testified that Professor Behe's concept of irreducible complexity depends on ignoring ways in which evolution is known to occur. Although Professor Behe is adamant in his definition of irreducible complexity when he says a precursor "missing a part is by definition nonfunctional," what he obviously means is that it will not function in the same way the system functions when all the parts are present. For example in the case of the bacterial flagellum, removal of a part may prevent it from acting as a rotary motor. However, Professor Behe excludes, by definition, the possibility that a precursor to the bacterial flagellum functioned not as a rotary motor, but in some other way, for example as a secretory system."

And you and your YECs lost the case and suffered a humiliating defeat.
 
Last edited:
Jun 5, 2014
1,750
6
0
Ross believes the flood was local,and no wonder you love him. He is a heretic.
Why is Hugh Ross a heretic?

Because he does not believe in a global flood?

See, that's the problem here.

You YECs are real quick to label fellow Christians as heretics because they don't agree with your pseudoscience.
 
Jun 5, 2014
1,750
6
0
Don't be so lazy.

Tell your throng of adoring YEC fans something about the speaker in your video.

And how he was the worst nightmare of the YEC crowd.

Elaborate on Dr. Don's testimony before the Texas Board of Education.

Not to worry, if you don't know the story on your very own sources I will help you out and inform everyone.

You know, like you didn't know the story on Behe and his irreducible complexity that you kept harping on.

And where did Dr. Don get his PhD?

Think Dr. Dino.
 
P

popeye

Guest
Don't be so lazy.

Tell your throng of adoring YEC fans something about the speaker in your video.

And how he was the worst nightmare of the YEC crowd.

Elaborate on Dr. Don's testimony before the Texas Board of Education.

Not to worry, if you don't know the story on your very own sources I will help you out and inform everyone.

You know, like you didn't know the story on Behe and his irreducible complexity that you kept harping on.

And where did Dr. Don get his PhD?

Think Dr. Dino.
Hello,you are tellling me the discovery of the BF is invalid?

Too late jack.the phd card is worn out ,dusty,and useless.
 
P

popeye

Guest
"So, here is more. From the judge's opinion in Kitzmiller v. Dover after cross examination of your expert witness Behe and others:"
LOL.
lame to the bone jack.

Now a judge has the secret to your pivitol moment????? :D:D:D:D
 
P

popeye

Guest
Not to worry, if you don't know the story on your very own sources I will help you out and inform everyone.
Translation; "I never heard of it,and my "scientst" friends can not be that disengenuous that a judge now has to inform them what they can believe"

Wow,are you outta gas or what?????
 
P

popeye

Guest
That is why you willl not bite Jack.
It is like Katrina alredy hit and you are debating whether a judge needs to be invoked.
 
Jun 5, 2014
1,750
6
0
Hello,you are tellling me the discovery of the BF is invalid?

Too late jack.the phd card is worn out ,dusty,and useless.
What I'm telling you is that your BF is mostly BS.

I already posted what the judge said about your expert witnesses on BF, expert witnesses who proved their BF to be nonsense under cross examination under oath.

More on the subject from the Scientific American:

"Irreducible complexity" is the battle cry of Michael J. Behe of Lehigh University,author of Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution. As ahousehold example of irreducible complexity, Behe chooses the mousetrap--amachine that could not function if any of its pieces were missing and whose pieceshave no value except as parts of the whole. What is true of the mousetrap, he says, iseven truer of the bacterial flagellum, a whiplike cellular organelle used for propulsionthat operates like an outboard motor. The proteins that make up a flagellum areuncannily arranged into motor components, a universal joint and other structures likethose that a human engineer might specify.

The possibility that this intricate arraycould have arisen through evolutionary modification is virtually nil, Behe argues, andthat bespeaks intelligent design. He makes similar points about the blood's clottingmechanism and other molecular systems.Yet evolutionary biologists have answers to these objections. First, there existflagellae with forms simpler than the one that Behe cites, so it is not necessary for allthose components to be present for a flagellum to work. The sophisticatedcomponents of this flagellum all have precedents elsewhere in nature, as described byKenneth R. Miller of Brown University and others. In fact, the entire flagellumassembly is extremely similar to an organelle that Yersinia pestis, the bubonic plaguebacterium, uses to inject toxins into cells.

The key is that the flagellum's component structures, which Behe suggests have novalue apart from their role in propulsion, can serve multiple functions that would havehelped favor their evolution. The final evolution of the flagellum might then haveinvolved only the novel recombination of sophisticated parts that initially evolved forother purposes. Similarly, the blood-clotting system seems to involve the modificationand elaboration of proteins that were originally used in digestion, according to studiesby Russell F. Doolittle of the University of California at San Diego. So some of thecomplexity that Behe calls proof of intelligent design is not irreducible at all.

15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense - Scientific American


 
Jun 5, 2014
1,750
6
0
Most fossils are a result of the Great Flood, so it makes sense that there are dinosaur, animal and human bones all mixed together at times, or in different layers etc. Most would have been trying to escape the Flood. They would not be having a lovely stroll in the park with each other.
There are no dinosaur and human bones all mixed together.

This could be an Aussie urban legend started by you and Ken Ham.

If you say there have been dinosaur and human bones found all mixed together, please provide a credible source of such information.
 
M

mystikmind

Guest
There are no dinosaur and human bones all mixed together.

This could be an Aussie urban legend started by you and Ken Ham.

If you say there have been dinosaur and human bones found all mixed together, please provide a credible source of such information.
The flinstones! lol

but if scientists ever did find human bones with dinosaur bones I'm sure they would say "quick, get those bones out of here before anyone sees it" !!
 
Jun 5, 2014
1,750
6
0
The flinstones! lol

but if scientists ever did find human bones with dinosaur bones I'm sure they would say "quick, get those bones out of here before anyone sees it" !!
Really?

Whoever finds human bones with dinosaurs bones is going to make millions of dollars.

So what's your story?

Do you believe that humans coexisted with humans anywhere besides cartoons?
 
Dec 18, 2013
6,733
45
0
Meanwhile in the actual provable past of only a few thousand year old...

pompeii-3-274x300.jpg

From Pompeii sometime between 600 BC to 71 AD.
They joke about that Dino Rodeo today, and one can almost hear their own forefathers laughing back.
 
Jun 5, 2014
1,750
6
0
Meanwhile in the actual provable past of only a few thousand year old...

View attachment 115342

From Pompeii sometime between 600 BC to 71 AD.
They joke about that Dino Rodeo today, and one can almost hear their own forefathers laughing back.
I saw one of those creatures in Crocodile Dundee.

It sure looked real, especially when Mick danced with the creature in the bar.

You say you can only prove the past for a few thousand years?

Ridiculous.

Scientific evidence is more reliable than eyewitness testimony or written history.
 
Dec 18, 2013
6,733
45
0
I saw one of those creatures in Crocodile Dundee.

It sure looked real, especially when Mick danced with the creature in the bar.

You say you can only prove the past for a few thousand years?

Ridiculous.

Scientific evidence is more reliable than eyewitness testimony or written history.
If that be the case then there is no scientific evidence for an earth older than thousands of years. There is only scientific evidence against it. That's why all the old earth mythology is purely based on an amalgam of theories and has so many gaps and holes and contradictions in it.
 
Jun 5, 2014
1,750
6
0
If that be the case then there is no scientific evidence for an earth older than thousands of years. There is only scientific evidence against it. That's why all the old earth mythology is purely based on an amalgam of theories and has so many gaps and holes and contradictions in it.
Your science can not be found in any reputable peer-reviewed scientific journals.

Your science has been determined to not be science by federal courts.

Your YEC scientists have misrepresented science, according to federal judges.

But you keep on believing Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) and go get his autograph at the federal prison where he is currently incarcerated.
 

jamie26301

Senior Member
May 14, 2011
1,154
10
38
39
My view is that Young Earth Creationists unnecessarily pit the bible against science, which they misrepresent.
I agree. I'm still puzzled as to why it is necessary that the world agree, when it is taught as part and parcel of Revelation itself (must be literally true for it to follow that Jesus is the Second Adam). It's not even a purely scientific argument in the sense of being divorced from spiritual truth - it demands spiritual truth to be correct, but how is spiritual truth observant?

When it must be true for our beliefs to be true - and it is consistently linked with spiritual Truth - other people hear as "we want to convert you" not "we understand the earth's evidence differently through sole observation." It seems to me the movement wants it cake and eat it too - to be considered for a secular curriculum by label of scientific evidence, but the bias and lens of the scientific understanding rests in the supernatural, not observable things. You question the model, suggest a liberal stance and the rebuke is to point to the NT, not the earth itself - how is that science?

It starts with a belief that is not observable. It doesn't start on already established laws and theories. And to thing the whole "well, they start from a belief too." Well, in a sense, yes - but their understandings, at least as recorded, wasn't born out of reading a religious book - they were born out of observing the earth and its creatures. The idea of millions of years came from observing the rock layers, evolution by observing animals. I still haven't heard what religion these ideas came from to be categorized belief in the same fashion as YEC. The origins of these two "belief systems" are totally different and opposite of one another in how they were formed.

Which is fine to teach this, but not in a school classroom, not here in the US. And even so, it seems really puzzling to me that we are not to be "of the world" but the movement seeks to be considered as an alternative (meaning not necessarily superior, and worthy of ears that are not spiritually enlightened) to secular ideas. I think that demanding to be taught ALONG SIDE something considered to be so abhorable is a bit of a compromise, for those who say "no compromise." "Our ideas are just another system of ideas in the world - so it should be taught as such." The way this is advocated to be taught doesn't even reflect the attitudes of the model vs evolution.

I have no problem with seminars, and such on college campuses that allow it (I went to one, in fact). I'm not saying it can't be presented, but it's just not science, not in the classical sense. And yes, I agree that YEC does seem to divorce science and the Bible by saying that something that is observed is not true because the first chapter of a religious book - that one cannot hypothesize and draw a conclusion if it doesn't agree... which, I have to say I agree with some other people, I know that God created the heavens and earth, and if I suppose and determine I know exactly how - where is the incentive to learn anymore? There's really no incentive to study the rocks, and the fossils - I already know the story, absolutely conclusive. In that sense, they are divorced, because one trumps the other every time the other disagrees. That's not a harmony of the two.

A good scientist, imo, is one that will ask a question to which he thinks he already knows the answer. Or venture to learn something else about the answer he already has. But enough rambling. lol

Who says Young Earth Creationists misrepresent science besides me?
I say select ones do - I've heard it and seen it. But I wouldn't be so bold as to say EVERY YEC does this.
On the flip side, Christians with evolutionary understandings and atheists are also guilty.
 
Last edited:
Dec 26, 2014
3,757
19
0
hollywood and hasatan teach the theory of evolution. yahweh and TORAH proves it wrong.

so, everyone gets to pick one side or the other, right?


sorry. nope. those on the side of hollywood don't have a choice. (slaves of the prince of the power of the air, remember? slaves don't actually 'get to chose'... as it is written in scripture (EPHESIANS)).