Is God A Moral Monster?

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Dibby53

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would you consider it evil if He returns your body to dust? does that make Him a murderer?
because your body will die.

if it is 'okay' with you that your own flesh dies - how do you justify calling God, who created all flesh for His own purpose, a murderer if He also brings about that other people's bodies return to dust?
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Dying is natural. If someone ran me through with a sword then I might be upset. Especially if that person said God told them to do it!
 
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Dibby53 said:
Dying is natural. If someone ran me through with a sword then I might be upset. Especially if that person said God told them to do it!
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Since you reject the idea that God told men to "commit genocide", who, in your opinion, is responsible for the flood, the destruction of Sodom, the plague on Israel (2 Samuel 24) and the decimation of the Assyrian army (2 Kings 19)?
 
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more important than what the scripture actually says about Him?
if you reject the Bible, how do you know that what you are calling 'god' is actually God?
if you re-write the Bible to suit what you prefer and how you think it ought to be, how do you know you're not also creating a god of your own desires and imagination? instead of the real One?
what's your standard for whether you yourself interpret your own experiences correctly? do you just always assume that what you think & feel is right? or do you have a standard that you look to, to compare yourself and your own thoughts and feelings with?
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I can't prove to you my experience. You must experience God for yourself. As for creating a God of my own desires I usually find that it is my own selfish desires that stop me experiencing God. I most certainly do not assume what I think and feel is right, quite the opposite.....I become more suspicious and questioning of what I think and feel. Much of it is conditioned by the past.
If I become more kind and loving to others then I know I,m on the right track.
 
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is my body "less dead" if i drown from fluid in my lungs, with pneumonia, than it is if a spear pierces my heart?

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Dibby53

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I,m not sure. Death seems to be the way this reality is set up. It has been there since life developed millions of years ago.

"is my body "less dead" if i drown from fluid in my lungs, with pneumonia, than it is if a spear pierces my heart?"

I don't understand what you are driving at?
 
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Dibby53 said:
I,m not sure. Death seems to be the way this reality is set up. It has been there since life developed millions of years ago.

"is my body "less dead" if i drown from fluid in my lungs, with pneumonia, than it is if a spear pierces my heart?"

I don't understand what you are driving at?
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is it that you don't believe the first few chapters of Genesis or that you haven't read it?
& i'm driving at chapter 3, which is Romans 5.
 
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Dibby53 said:
"is my body "less dead" if i drown from fluid in my lungs, with pneumonia, than it is if a spear pierces my heart?"

I don't understand what you are driving at?
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God created the heavens and the earth, no?
and in it, son of Adam, your body returns to dust. that's His will; it's His judgement, and it's good, and right
you are fine with God bringing about the return of the body to dust if He uses an army of billions of viruses, but you call Him a murderer if He does it with some other methods. that seems not-quite-right to me
 
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Of course I have read Genesis. But Genesis is not a science text book. It is an allegorical account of the origins of humanity rich in spiritual and psychological insight. I am not a literalist creationist.
 
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God created the heavens and the earth, no?
and in it, son of Adam, your body returns to dust. that's His will; it's His judgement, and it's good, and right
you are fine with God bringing about the return of the body to dust if He uses an army of billions of viruses, but you call Him a murderer if He does it with some other methods. that seems not-quite-right to me
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No. I call the people who committed genocide the muderers. Bacteria are not conscious enough to know any better.
 
Dino246

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I,m not sure. Death seems to be the way this reality is set up. It has been there since life developed millions of years ago.
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Bahahahaha! Now that's funny!
 
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Dibby53 said:
Of course I have read Genesis. But Genesis is not a science text book. It is an allegorical account of the origins of humanity rich in spiritual and psychological insight. I am not a literalist creationist.
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Many Christians are not, but you seem to be taking it to the level of reinventing the Bible to fit your views, in effect creating a new religion.

One of the possible reasons put forward for the 'genocide' is that in Genesis it could be saying that fallen angels raped human women creating unnatural offspring and an ungodly, perhaps demonic gene pool which had to be removed. Would you then accept the need for the killings, given you accepted the slaughter of every baby and child on earth in the flood?
 
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One of the possible reasons put forward for the 'genocide' is that in Genesis it could be saying that fallen angels raped human women creating unnatural offspring and an ungodly, perhaps demonic gene pool which had to be removed. Would you then accept the need for the killings, given you accepted the slaughter of every baby and child on earth in the flood?
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God is in the business of saving people. He is Salvation.
God is saving by flooding the earth. we have to look at it from that point of view, believing Him, else we can't possibly have the right understanding of it. ;)
 
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Many Christians are not, but you seem to be taking it to the level of reinventing the Bible to fit your views, in effect creating a new religion.

One of the possible reasons put forward for the 'genocide' is that in Genesis it could be saying that fallen angels raped human women creating unnatural offspring and an ungodly, perhaps demonic gene pool which had to be removed. Would you then accept the need for the killings, given you accepted the slaughter of every baby and child on earth in the flood?
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I don't remember reading that the tribes of the promised land were children of fallen angel rapists! Aren't you reinventing the bible to try and justify the genocide? Of course we can't know. Any more than we can know if perhaps aliens bred with them. They are not around to genetically investigate. So we can theorise all we like.

I certainly don't want to start a new religion. I don't care what other people believe. That is up to them. I,m simply a thinking person sharing my views and thoughts and insights about God and life. Make of it what you will. Most people will see the bible in accordance with their views......thats why there are hundreds of denominations and cults based on it. Who has the pure, unadulterated view? You? Billy Graham? Joel Osteen? John Calvin? The Pope? The JWs? Mormons?
 
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You've heard of the Cambrian explosion, right?:p:)
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The secular view of the Cambrian explosion assumes geologic gradualism, which is unproven and is based on anti-theistic assumptions. It has been proven that gradualism is not the only possible mechanism for fossilization, and in fact is the unlikely mechanism.
 
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Dibby53 said:
I don't remember reading that the tribes of the promised land were children of fallen angel rapists! Aren't you reinventing the bible to try and justify the genocide? Of course we can't know. Any more than we can know if perhaps aliens bred with them. They are not around to genetically investigate. So we can theorise all we like.

I certainly don't want to start a new religion. I don't care what other people believe. That is up to them. I,m simply a thinking person sharing my views and thoughts and insights about God and life. Make of it what you will. Most people will see the bible in accordance with their views......thats why there are hundreds of denominations and cults based on it. Who has the pure, unadulterated view? You? Billy Graham? Joel Osteen? John Calvin? The Pope? The JWs? Mormons?
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No that scenario can be inferred from Genesis 6 and following. It is a possible scenario from a reading of the Bible. My point is you don't know God's reasons. If that scenario was true then would you accept the killings?

Why has God decided to cut my life short under the three score years and 10 (70) when I have two young kids? I don't know but it has allowed me to get very near to God and for the first time I sit down regularly with my kids and I teach them the Word of God. Perhaps God knew that was important? Am I happy to give up 10 or 20 years of this life to be close to God. I am joyous, and I really mean that.

The line you are following endangers your salvation. I don't want you to miss out on eternal joy. In love
 
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posthuman said:
is my body "less dead" if i drown from fluid in my lungs, with pneumonia, than it is if a spear pierces my heart?

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It is still dead. As you are told. Your body shall return to the dust from which it sprang, your soul to the Father that gave it.
 
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Dibby53 said:
Of course I have read Genesis. But Genesis is not a science text book. It is an allegorical account of the origins of humanity rich in spiritual and psychological insight. I am not a literalist creationist.
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Then you do have a very serious problem. Unless one takes the Genesis account as literal, factual, and historical, the rest of the Bible cannot be taken seriously. And that is exactly what the Higher Critics did by claiming that the creation account was allegorical. They dismissed the Bible as legends and fables.
 
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