Is God Unfair?

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I see a symbolic ax coming...not from the truth, but just
from putting in on a warhead, rather than a plate.
Took the Lord more than a few years patiently to train
His men and still they didnt see much....whats a few posts?
Seems like whats going on here is far from truth and being firm
on that, rather personal punches and belittling. Not the best method ive seen.
Key word = "seems"

That word indicates you judge by fleshly intuitions rather than by God's word alone.

If you slay his soldiers through ignorance, you may yet be forgiven.

But if you slay them knowingly, you will not be forgiven now, nor in the world to come.

So be very careful as it is treading very close to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Not the best methods you have seen, hey? Sure works to expose your faults. Now be humble and see them.
 
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ive only be saved for maybe a year. i knew Jesus before that, he showed me for sure he was real.
but i think i was born again about less than a year ago.
i know i was, i was there. i know what happened.
everything on this thread and most things i am reading make no sense at all.
do i have to learn all these things?
 
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Key word = "seems"

That word indicates you judge by fleshly intuitions rather than by God's word alone.

If you slay his soldiers through ignorance, you may yet be forgiven.

But if you slay them knowingly, you will not be forgiven now, nor in the world to come.

So be very careful as it is treading very close to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Not the best methods you have seen, hey? Sure works to expose your faults. Now be humble and see them.
I see my faults continually. Thats not the point. Or the problem.
"seems" was a word used for your option. If you prefer and bold rebuke
ill comply. And if your slain by a rebuke, then that would be a mistake on your part.
My humility is not in view here either. But yours may be. Yes i said "may be" judge yourself,
i dont have the will or inclination.

As far as blaspheme, im not scared. Your the one representing the HolySpirit.
So i rekon your the one in view for that representation and judgement "seems to me"
 
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wow, this isn't what i had in mind.
i have 3 days off i'm going golfing
i'll talk to Jesus, i don't know if i signed up for this stuff.
i don't understand it.
sorry
 
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ive only be saved for maybe a year. i knew Jesus before that, he showed me for sure he was real.
but i think i was born again about less than a year ago.
i know i was, i was there. i know what happened.
everything on this thread and most things i am reading make no sense at all.
do i have to learn all these things?
As a babe in Christ your most important first steps must be to learn (and I mean not in a self deceived way but really learn) how to recognize when you are letting your fleshly intuitions get mixed into the scriptures as you try to extract the truth from them. Many have skipped over those beginning steps and that is why there is not much agreement as to what the truth in much of the scripture is.

That is the man of flesh with a carnal mind and no man is exempt from having that man try to walk with him while he tries to put him to death so that he quits interfering with the inner man of the spirit that desires to know the pure unadulterated life-saving truth of God's words unhindered.

And the love of God and Christ is great enough to roll with you as you sincerely cooperate with the spirit of truth on the word from the Bible to do this

But you never will do it if no one ever stands up strong to you and helps you see that you must do it. In fact, there is an entire false philosophy of teaching out there specifically designed to hide that need from you, so that you never even really begin a true walk into Christ, but only deceive your self that you have. And the sad part about that is that you then do not find out where and in what you lack spiritually until situations arise in your life where you need those spiritual strengths but prove not to have them and so suffer loss, for some, even sometimes as far as a complete loss of faith.

The thing about true babes is that they, if they are a true babe, are not yet filled by so much self opinion and can therefore be easier taught.

Satan, however, also knows that and so he has many ministers that he uses to move a babe right into thinking they have matured as a Christian, leaving them with no real ability to see deeply into God's word so as to know the difference, and locking them into that situation through pride even their belief that they already know.

Are you open to discussing the necessary milk?
 
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I see my faults continually. Thats not the point. Or the problem.
"seems" was a word used for your option. If you prefer and bold rebuke
ill comply. And if your slain by a rebuke, then that would be a mistake on your part.
My humility is not in view here either. But yours may be. Yes i said "may be" judge yourself,
i dont have the will or inclination.

As far as blaspheme, im not scared. Your the one representing the HolySpirit.
So i rekon your the one in view for that representation and judgement "seems to me"
Very good then.

God loves you and so do I.

i would not be willing to risk dying for you as Christ did if I did not love you.
 
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No, God is not unfair.
 

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I think if we look at life with only secular, worldly eyes there is no doubt, God is unfair. God warns us about this when He taught us to pray, even. We are to ask for our daily needs, and though those needs are spiritual God means it to include our fleshly needs, too, but we are also to ask for His kingdom on earth as it is in heaven. Giving us our fleshly needs must be in line with this God principle. God even used His being unfair to Job to achieve His work on earth, to show us that He is supreme and so are His ways.

Job was many thousands of years ago, yet when He pointed out how God runs the heavens, even, I am spiritually uplifted by that understanding. I am one of many millions of people.

God uses some pretty bad (in fleshly eyes) things to achieve His kingdom on earth. Read a history of God's chosen people if you don't believe it, the ones God chose to teach us His principles. Look what happened to them when they didn't accept the Savior He sent them. We aren't to judge, just keep our hearts and minds on how to live within the kingdom.
Thanks RedTent,insightful to me
 

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Is it secular to want to take solace, comfort, instruction and a path to walk toward God from each and every story of the bible? Isn't that the point of why it was written down for people to read?
i think that is what RedTent was saying oh well that is what I got from her post
 

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Yes, I understand why you think that but you only think that because of the corruption of the truth of God's word by fasle doctrines that have been allowed to be born among the church due to Satan's trickery.

You can perfect your spirit in this life and it is you that must work with God doing the works that he tells you to do, his works of his righteousness and that not of your own.
yes not of our own ever which brings home what paul has said in 1 cor 3, there are two differant kinds oif works God's and one'a own one's own will suffer loss even if ione used the name of God in it if that work was of self
thanks
 

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I think not.

I asked you five minutes ago what instruction comes from Job and how to apply it to everyday life and you gave me an answer that was vague and had no real instruction contained in it. Hence why I didn't really see why it is applicable (for me). And now that I've tried to end a disagreement respectfully and cited my reasons for how I see things, you're telling me my view is corrupted and I need to walk in the path, doing the works of God, like somehow my gleaning of instruction from the bible, and then applying that instruction to my life in a practical fashion, is not 'doing of the works of God'. That's convoluted and contradictory.

Is 'doing the works of God', by your definition, solely understanding the bible as you personally see it?
The instruction from Job is plain to see, just trust God no matter what count it all joy when you enter divers temptation
 

homwardbound

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Then tell me, where do we live? And who do we love in order to love God who we cannot see? Don't you think that our treatment of others, in a way that pleases God, is the single biggest focus of the bible?

If there was only me on this earth, then most of the bible would mean nothing and I could argue that there would be no need for the majority of the ten commandments (the last 6).

And even many of the reasonings behind the first four would be null (for instance, the promotion of worshiping false images of God, the use of the Sabbath to help others and abstain from selfish work). Only the first two would have full relevance.

If walking the God-path is only one of the points of the bible, and not the only point, then what are the others?
It is today shown through the cross to love all the way god does as shown in 1cor 13:4-13, and flesh can't recieve this type of love only the Spirit of god through the resurrected Christ can give this type of love to you whether you are the onlt one here or not. Seeing the full Love of God by god revealing this to you, me and anyone that is wanting to know God with no malice, in mind Gosd reveals this truht as Job stood the test and never cursed God.
Are you cursing God or will you stand all the way no matter what comes down the pike, praising God in al things good or bad. It is easy to praise God when things are well in front of you, but what about if you become homeless, and the thiings that happened to Job happen to you, will you still praise God?
 

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Hence why I included 'a path to walk'.
The path is beleive God, trust God and one will be in God by one's belief, and God will open up the truth to you, and you will thus praise God even oin adversity because you will see not to fear anymore
[h=3]John 16:33[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]33 [/SUP]These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will[SUP][a][/SUP] have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”
 

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Let me ask you, because I hear this all the time, about this 'clear conscience', and I often wonder, how do you come by this clear conscience so many of you seem to have?

Because my conscience most certainly is not clear. I feel guilt and regret for things I did ten years ago sometimes; choices I didn't make and things I could have done better, times I hurt people and things I said that didn't come out right.

How do you all walk around with this so clean conscience even at the point of being mean to people and calling people liars and 'of the devil'? How is it that you can feel no sense of regret or wrongdoing for that?

Sometimes I wish I was that way, and then I realize it's far more dangerous to have no conscience than to have one that eats at you.
Excellent point I had this as well, and do not tkae it for granted as some do and just go and do whatever they want. I had to come to the end of the energy of my own flesh about guilt nad it deeply and was trying so hard to do what was right and just couldn't quit do it not 100% anyway
So when I came to the end of the energy of my own flesh I gave up and yelled I can't do this as I am hearing you say. That is when I heard God in my heart say Thank you and I said what? He said now I can do for you through you what you want because you personally gave up
Evrything has changed since, he has purged my consciousness of sin, not to think about it, to walk away from thopughts of it period and just thank andtrust God to do in me waht I can't ever do 100% complete in myself
Hope this helps
 
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As a babe in Christ your most important first steps must be to learn (and I mean not in a self deceived way but really learn) how to recognize when you are letting your fleshly intuitions get mixed into the scriptures as you try to extract the truth from them. Many have skipped over those beginning steps and that is why there is not much agreement as to what the truth in much of the scripture is.

That is the man of flesh with a carnal mind and no man is exempt from having that man try to walk with him while he tries to put him to death so that he quits interfering with the inner man of the spirit that desires to know the pure unadulterated life-saving truth of God's words unhindered.

And the love of God and Christ is great enough to roll with you as you sincerely cooperate with the spirit of truth on the word from the Bible to do this

But you never will do it if no one ever stands up strong to you and helps you see that you must do it. In fact, there is an entire false philosophy of teaching out there specifically designed to hide that need from you, so that you never even really begin a true walk into Christ, but only deceive your self that you have. And the sad part about that is that you then do not find out where and in what you lack spiritually until situations arise in your life where you need those spiritual strengths but prove not to have them and so suffer loss, for some, even sometimes as far as a complete loss of faith.

The thing about true babes is that they, if they are a true babe, are not yet filled by so much self opinion and can therefore be easier taught.

Satan, however, also knows that and so he has many ministers that he uses to move a babe right into thinking they have matured as a Christian, leaving them with no real ability to see deeply into God's word so as to know the difference, and locking them into that situation through pride even their belief that they already know.

Are you open to discussing the necessary milk?
i don't understand much of what you said. i keep my body clean, and i just know that Jesus brightened my mind and i could understand things that i didn't know before. i have read some of the bible and it makes sense. i read some verses every day and they help me see that i was off track the day before or when ever.
so far i don't see a big mystery in it. it's from God and i want to do what he says is right. i'm learning each day what that is, it's totally the opposite form what i thought was ok. but i see the whole world differently now.
is that what you mean?
i don't know what you mean that things will happen to trick me into losing my faith. lots of things have happened. that doesn't change my faith in God. every day i believe more in him.

who do i have to put to death? i idk what you're talking about. for sure i don't know what you mean that maybe i would tricked into thinking i am a christian when i'm not.
i don't understand anything you're saying.
 

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Silverdollar, just keep your eyes on Jesus and everything will be fine when He is you focus point. When you do this, and you read the bible for yourself God Himself will teach you.
For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say. Luc12:12

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 Joh 2:27

Not all what is said on here is fruitful or makes sense. Just take it to God in prayer, don't let it bother you, and you will be fine.
 
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Silverdollar, just keep your eyes on Jesus and everything will be fine when He is you focus point. When you do this, and you read the bible for yourself God Himself will teach you.
For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say. Luc12:12

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 Joh 2:27

Not all what is said on here is fruitful or makes sense. Just take it to God in prayer, don't let it bother you, and you will be fine.
hey thanks. that's what it seems like to me, that when i read the bible the holy spirit helps me understand it. i don't know much of it but i read some every day.
the person who tried to teach me about it who preached to me for years but i didnt listen, now i understand what they were saying. it seems like for sure when i read God's word or someone reads it i know it's the truth all the time even if i don't know what that part means that day but later i know more.
the weird part is i see how eveil the world is now which i didn't notice before so i have more interest in learning other things as well. thanks.
 
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Let's look at that together, shall we?

Actually we need to fully grasp the first part of chapter 2 first, which shows that chapter one are words aimed at "my little children", aka babes in Christ not yet mature to full stature as a Christian.

1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world<[that yet lives in sin].
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments [and thereby do not sin].
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

This compares to scriptures like as: Titus 3:3 "For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another." (Of course the man of flesh will take even that last part out of context, "hateful, and hating one another" and seek to apply it to the chastisements of truth and love in the Lord as he is a very subtle deceiver.)

Now let me explain how I know it is correct to add the thought I did to the end of the following verse: 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments [and thereby do not sin].

First, that thought keeps with John's thought, "these things write I unto you, that ye sin not", and is based on the commandments being the seed of the word that is sown in us.

1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

1 Peter 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible [seed], by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

1 Corinthians 3:6 I have planted [the life-giving spirit strong seed of that word Jesus told us about at John 6:3], Apollos watered [with more of that same word]; but God [using the spirit on that word] gave the increase.

James 1:25 "But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed."

Ephesians 2:3 "Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.[but not any longer]"

Now re-approach 1 John chapter one and then, after re-examining it the light I just shared with you, if you yet have more question, ask me.
So what about missing the mark (sinning) regarding patience, kindness, envy, pride, rudeness, self-seeking, anger, grudging, protecting, trusting, hoping, perservering?
 
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Let's look at that together, shall we?

Actually we need to fully grasp the first part of chapter 2 first, which shows that chapter one are words aimed at "my little children", aka babes in Christ not yet mature to full stature as a Christian.

1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world<[that yet lives in sin].
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments [and thereby do not sin].
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

This compares to scriptures like as: Titus 3:3 "For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another." (Of course the man of flesh will take even that last part out of context, "hateful, and hating one another" and seek to apply it to the chastisements of truth and love in the Lord as he is a very subtle deceiver.)

Now let me explain how I know it is correct to add the thought I did to the end of the following verse: 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments [and thereby do not sin].

First, that thought keeps with John's thought, "these things write I unto you, that ye sin not", and is based on the commandments being the seed of the word that is sown in us.

1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

1 Peter 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible [seed], by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

1 Corinthians 3:6 I have planted [the life-giving spirit strong seed of that word Jesus told us about at John 6:3], Apollos watered [with more of that same word]; but God [using the spirit on that word] gave the increase.

James 1:25 "But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed."

Ephesians 2:3 "Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.[but not any longer]"

Now re-approach 1 John chapter one and then, after re-examining it the light I just shared with you, if you yet have more question, ask me.
Where does missing/falling short of the mark (sinning) regarding patience, kindness, anger, pride, etc. fit in?
 
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i don't understand much of what you said. i keep my body clean, and i just know that Jesus brightened my mind and i could understand things that i didn't know before. i have read some of the bible and it makes sense. i read some verses every day and they help me see that i was off track the day before or when ever.
so far i don't see a big mystery in it. it's from God and i want to do what he says is right. i'm learning each day what that is, it's totally the opposite form what i thought was ok. but i see the whole world differently now.
is that what you mean?
i don't know what you mean that things will happen to trick me into losing my faith. lots of things have happened. that doesn't change my faith in God. every day i believe more in him.

who do i have to put to death? i idk what you're talking about. for sure i don't know what you mean that maybe i would tricked into thinking i am a christian when i'm not.
i don't understand anything you're saying.
Actually that is not quite the way it works, either. Many are tricked into believing they are the elect of God when they are not. The elect is the remnant out of natural Israel to serve in Christ with a remnant out from the Gentiles, and together, they as firstfruits with Christ make up the holy sanctuary part of God's temple. Until they actually perfected their holiness in Christ, they were as the under-priests of the Levitical priesthood, not allowed into the holiest of holies part of the sanctuary along with their high priest who is Jesus. There only approach to God was through him until they come out from under the mere imputation of holiness and have completed putting God's holiness fully on. Only then do they have direct approach to God.

But you are likely not of that elect sanctuary of God. Your place should have been taught you as beginning in the courtyard, which used to be separated by a wall of division so that the Jews had the inner courtyard (as they were the first who God began to work with for salvation), and the Gentiles had the outer courtyard.

Since that wall that divided the two courtyards was torn down by Christ ending the enmity of the flesh, nailing that Old Law Covenant to the cross with him at his death, since that time there has existed only one courtyard for both Jew and Gentile.

When Gid first calls His elect, it is to that courtyard that He calls them, and then from that courtyard, after he examines their heart, He chooses them as His elect to become a part of Christ as the holy sanctuary part of the temple where they receive that rejuvenation by outpouring of Holy Spirit which renders them firstfruits with Christ.

In the courtyard they were relying only on the spirit that is on God's word, and did not yet have that outpouring.

These are the ones who come out of the Great Tribulation having washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb by faith. And their hope is that new earth which God has promised.

The elect are the 144,000 that were chosen from out of that courtyard pictured by the Israel there in Revelation chapter 7:3-8.

We see those that remain of that courtyard coming out of the great tribulation at Revelation 7:9, 14 (as in many other places in the scriptures).

The stand before God's throne upon which Christ and that 144,000 sit with Christ at the right hand of God.

They are able to stand before that throne because, Acts 7:49 "Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?"

Here is what this following verse foreshadowed:
1 Chronicles 28:2 "Then David the king stood up upon his feet, and said, Hear me, my brethren, and my people: As for me, I had in mine heart to build an house of rest for the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and for the footstool of our God, and had made ready for the building."

The Ark of the Covenant pictures the throne of God were Christ sits at God's right hand along with the cleansed to holiness 144,000.

You are in that house built as God's footstool, indeed, that Ark's footstool.

Psalms 132:7 "We will go into his tabernacles: we will worship at his footstool."

We see that of the non-elect at Revelation 7:15-17 worshiping God at the tabernacle or house, upon God's footstool which is this entire earth.

In verse 17 there, we see that they are being cared for and fed from God's word and drinking in life to bring them to holy perfection from the living fountains of waters, which are that 144,000 elect of God in Christ sitting at the right hand of God.

Many will fight against seeing this picture but you can choose to dig deeper into your Bible to prove to yourself whether it is true, if you only want to.

It is much easier just to follow what is popular. But that is a risky gamble.

Peace be with you as you consider this information, in the name of God and of our Lord Jesus Christ.