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Was looking at some books on healing in the atonement on Amazon and found this one that has been reviewed. I was also surprised at how many books there were written on the subject of healing in the atonement. It strikes me that there are many different Christians in the world who believe in healing and many Christians who don't. Both use the Hebrew and Greek too. Both have scholars who have good points on both sides of the table.
I don't think it is ever OK to call another Christian a heretic because they don't believe exactly the same in this subject or others. Some believe in speaking in tongues and some don't. Again. I do not believe it is ever OK to call a Christian a heretic because they don't believe the same on these and other matters well known for disagreement among Christians. On either side of the subject.
“Bodily Healing and the Atonement” by TJ McCrossan
I’ve just finished reading Bodily Healing and the Atonement by TJ McCrossan. This 80 year old classic (since reprinted) is a welcome antidote to any uncertainty you may have regarding God’s will for healing.
The main takeaway of this book is that “Christ bore our sicknesses in the very same way that He bore our sins” (p.12).
Many sincere believers struggle to see healing because of false teaching. They’ve been told that it’s not God’s will to heal everyone, or that God wants them sick to teach them character, or that God used to heal people but He doesn’t anymore.
Through an in-depth study of scripture, TJ McCrossan demolishes all of these misconceptions. He writes that sickness is ultimately the devil’s work. (We have sickness and death on account of sin (Rms 5:12), but it was Satan who led our first parents to disobey God. Thus Satan is the originator and propagator of sickness.) McCrossan notes that Jesus rebuked sickness in the same way that He rebuked evil spirits – harshly and with authority. Sickness is not something we should learn to live with, but something we need to learn how to eliminate through faith in Christ.
Jesus healed the sick (Mt 4:23), He commanded His disciples to heal the sick (Mt 10:8), and He said that we would heal the sick (Mk 16:18). So why are we unsure about His will for the sick? His will is that we heal them!
Probably my favorite part of the book was the section on God’s will versus our will. Many believers pray with the proviso if it be Thy will. As McCrossan explains, this is faithless, irresponsible praying. It is giving voice to doubt and abdicating our God-given mandate to heal the sick. The Bible is full of promises and instructions regarding healing. We have no excuse for imitating the father in Mark 9:22 who asked Jesus, “if you can do anything…” If you can?! Of course He can – He’s God! He can heal and He wants to heal. The real question is not “God, can you?” but “do you believe?”
Jesus died for all sinners but not all are saved. Why not? Because of unbelief in the goodness of God. Similarly, Jesus died that all might be healed, but not all are healed? According to TJ MCrossan, it’s the same reason:
“Every saint has a blood-bought right to be healed, but thousands do not know that they must exercise the very same appropriating faith in the bruised body of Christ for their healing as they formerly exercised in His shed blood for their salvation.” (p.64)
On the whole I am greatly inspired by Bodily Healing and the Atonement, but I sense there is a danger that some readers might trip up if they are not already acquainted with The Gospel by grace alone through faith alone. For instance, the author lists a number of conditions for being healed. The first requirement is “keeping all of God’s commands and doing only what was right in His sight” (p.64). This comes from 1 Jn 3:22; God answered John’s prayers because John kept God’s commandments. But what the author neglects to mention is that the commandments John is referring to are not the commandments of the Old Testament. John is saying we must believe in Jesus Christ (see 1 Jn 3:23). If you don’t believe in Jesus, you’re going to have a hard time receiving the healing that He provided for you at the cross.
We are not healed on the basis of our law-keeping, but on account of God’s grace revealed to us through Christ. Yet God’s grace will be of no effect to you unless you respond positively in faith (Eph 2:8). The gospel of Christ reveals the power of God for salvation – forgiveness, healing, deliverance – for everyone who believes (Rms 1:16), and ultimately this is the message of Bodily Healing. If you are battling with long term illness or know someone who is, get them a copy of this book. Then go heal them.
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I don't think it is ever OK to call another Christian a heretic because they don't believe exactly the same in this subject or others. Some believe in speaking in tongues and some don't. Again. I do not believe it is ever OK to call a Christian a heretic because they don't believe the same on these and other matters well known for disagreement among Christians. On either side of the subject.
“Bodily Healing and the Atonement” by TJ McCrossan
The main takeaway of this book is that “Christ bore our sicknesses in the very same way that He bore our sins” (p.12).
Many sincere believers struggle to see healing because of false teaching. They’ve been told that it’s not God’s will to heal everyone, or that God wants them sick to teach them character, or that God used to heal people but He doesn’t anymore.
Through an in-depth study of scripture, TJ McCrossan demolishes all of these misconceptions. He writes that sickness is ultimately the devil’s work. (We have sickness and death on account of sin (Rms 5:12), but it was Satan who led our first parents to disobey God. Thus Satan is the originator and propagator of sickness.) McCrossan notes that Jesus rebuked sickness in the same way that He rebuked evil spirits – harshly and with authority. Sickness is not something we should learn to live with, but something we need to learn how to eliminate through faith in Christ.
Jesus healed the sick (Mt 4:23), He commanded His disciples to heal the sick (Mt 10:8), and He said that we would heal the sick (Mk 16:18). So why are we unsure about His will for the sick? His will is that we heal them!
Probably my favorite part of the book was the section on God’s will versus our will. Many believers pray with the proviso if it be Thy will. As McCrossan explains, this is faithless, irresponsible praying. It is giving voice to doubt and abdicating our God-given mandate to heal the sick. The Bible is full of promises and instructions regarding healing. We have no excuse for imitating the father in Mark 9:22 who asked Jesus, “if you can do anything…” If you can?! Of course He can – He’s God! He can heal and He wants to heal. The real question is not “God, can you?” but “do you believe?”
Jesus died for all sinners but not all are saved. Why not? Because of unbelief in the goodness of God. Similarly, Jesus died that all might be healed, but not all are healed? According to TJ MCrossan, it’s the same reason:
“Every saint has a blood-bought right to be healed, but thousands do not know that they must exercise the very same appropriating faith in the bruised body of Christ for their healing as they formerly exercised in His shed blood for their salvation.” (p.64)
On the whole I am greatly inspired by Bodily Healing and the Atonement, but I sense there is a danger that some readers might trip up if they are not already acquainted with The Gospel by grace alone through faith alone. For instance, the author lists a number of conditions for being healed. The first requirement is “keeping all of God’s commands and doing only what was right in His sight” (p.64). This comes from 1 Jn 3:22; God answered John’s prayers because John kept God’s commandments. But what the author neglects to mention is that the commandments John is referring to are not the commandments of the Old Testament. John is saying we must believe in Jesus Christ (see 1 Jn 3:23). If you don’t believe in Jesus, you’re going to have a hard time receiving the healing that He provided for you at the cross.
We are not healed on the basis of our law-keeping, but on account of God’s grace revealed to us through Christ. Yet God’s grace will be of no effect to you unless you respond positively in faith (Eph 2:8). The gospel of Christ reveals the power of God for salvation – forgiveness, healing, deliverance – for everyone who believes (Rms 1:16), and ultimately this is the message of Bodily Healing. If you are battling with long term illness or know someone who is, get them a copy of this book. Then go heal them.
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now I know I didn't call anyone a heretic, but how is it OK for some of you 'God wants to heal everyone' folks to tell us that we don't believe in healing or as was recently said to me, you don't expect to be healed?
I mean honestly, do you hear yourselves?
this is kind of amazing since you have stated more than once yourself that you do not know why God does not heal everyone
I would say definitely that God DOES NOT WANT people sick anymore than He wants anyone to end up in hell
I believe everyone who has responded in this thread has stated that they DO believe God still heals.
I don't for a moment think those who are persuaded by WOF are less than sincere...they have been swayed by false teachers and it is the teachers who will bear the responsibility.
I don't know why you brought the word heretic into this discussion. I would not call a WOFer a heretic. A heretic would be someone who denies Jesus is God or denies the virgin birth or the resurrection etc and yet still calls themself a Christian
frankly I think the book you recommend basically is one you prefer because it agrees with you
it seems you may still be confused over the issues here if you are leaning towards thinking anyone believes law keeping has anything to do with salvation and or healing
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ummmm
Jesus is the Son of God. He does not believe in certain things. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
as I have stated before, people need to get grounded in the basic doctrines of the Bible and stop putting the Trinity down to a level they understand
God wants to elevate us and our understanding out of humanistic reasoning. If not, we end up with people who cannot comprehend that God in the OT is the exact same in the NT
salvation and healing are both provisions of God and just as salvation is not earned or kept by what we do, healing is also at the discretion of God
our entire life as a Christian is one of faith. if healing is doled out in measure by our response, then it seems salvation must be on equally uncertain ground
sounds shaky? exactly
This is patently false! You wrongly assume that those of us who are sick NEVER prayed for healing!
Are you kidding??
Not only did I seek prayer, annointed and prayed for by the elders, but I had many Pentecostal friends who became Word Faith, around that time, and they first prayed for me, then condemned me for not having enough faith, because I wasn't healed. Even more than the debilitating pain of Rheumatoid Arthritis, their condemnation, which is contrary to Romans 8:1, almost destroyed me! This was over a period of 3 years. Constant prayer, and God didn't heal me!
There I was - crippled and in pain, and my friends turned on me when THEIR prayers did not heal me. I went into a deep depression that lasted 2 years. I didn't go to church, read my Bible or pray during that time. I turned my back on God. But he did not turn his back on me! He gently called me to read the Psalms. Eventually, I began to see those very real people, who suffered, called out to God, and praised him (most of the time, except in the imprecatory psalms!) in spite of the circumstance. My depression began to lift, and I began to read the Bible in a new light.
I finally got on good meds, thank modern science, and God for directing people to find meds to control the disease. By then, I knew my friends had bad theology. Even more so, because they both got sick. One had breast cancer and she refused treatment, and instead "claimed" healing. Because, healing is 100%, all of the time, right? Well, despite being an ordained minister with Kenneth Copeland, and having the organization, plus her church pray for her, daily prayer, anointing with oil, etc, etc, she died within a year, when the cancer spread. She prayed for a miracle, but never got it.
The second Word Faith friend had his prostate become enlarged. When he collapsed in his house, a non-Word Faith friend found him on the floor. He was rushed to the hospital, into surgery. 10 years later he is still doing well, with yearly check ups. He now believes God can use doctors. He had actually been healed of other things, but God did not heal this. He is an amazing 87 year old man, prays hours a day, when he is not reading his Bible, or off to various meetings.
So, you know nothing heartofDavid!
Did my suffering have a purpose? Absolutely! God taught me more in those years, about him, than the other 20 years I was a Christian. He called me to seminary and into chaplain ministry. He taught me to reconcile the hurting and broken. God broke me from an arrogant, vain and self centered person, to a person who sought God with all my heart. He gave me hope in him, and a whole new character. He changed me through suffering, which is totally Scriptural. And, he was NEVER angry at me, never left me or abandoned me. I praise him in the storm, in the floods, and in the trials.
"Not only this, but we also rejoice in sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, 4 and endurance, character, and character, hope. 5 And hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us." Romans 5:3-5
"43 Now, this is what the Lord says,
the one who created you, O Jacob,
and formed you, O Israel:
“Don’t be afraid, for I will protect you.
I call you by name, you are mine.
2 When you pass through the waters, I am with you;
when you pass through the streams, they will not overwhelm you.
When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned;
the flames will not harm you.
3 For I am the Lord your God,
the Holy One of Israel, your deliverer." Isa. 43:1-3a
As for your out-of-context Isa. 53:5d and its NT equivalents, (which I am sure you will bring up to "prove" your lack of Biblical understanding), not so much. Besides, it is simply bad hermeneutics to make a doctrine out of one Scripture. God heals, when it is his will. But, we do not have the right to name and claim, to push God to be a magic genie, who gives us our 3 wishes when he is trapped in our magic lamp. That is the worst lie of all! Making God into a servant of humans, instead of the sovereign Lord of the universe!
What a bankrupt heresy you preach! What a cruel and dreadful lie you propagate. And how little you know a single Christian who is sick. Like we wouldn't pray for healing? What a lie!
Was just reading a thread about Christmas being celebrated. I'm all for celebrating Christmas and having a tree with lights and such. Just came back to this thread and saw your same as usual negative posts 7seas. So after reading the many comments by some Scooges there from that thread about Christmas ., the first response to you is ; "BAAHUMBUG Scrooge-ette"
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Was looking at some books on healing in the atonement on Amazon and found this one that has been reviewed. I was also surprised at how many books there were written on the subject of healing in the atonement. It strikes me that there are many different Christians in the world who believe in healing and many Christians who don't. Both use the Hebrew and Greek too. Both have scholars who have good points on both sides of the table.
I don't think it is ever OK to call another Christian a heretic because they don't believe exactly the same in this subject or others. Some believe in speaking in tongues and some don't. Again. I do not believe it is ever OK to call a Christian a heretic because they don't believe the same on these and other matters well known for disagreement among Christians. On either side of the subject.
“Bodily Healing and the Atonement” by TJ McCrossan
I’ve just finished reading Bodily Healing and the Atonement by TJ McCrossan. This 80 year old classic (since reprinted) is a welcome antidote to any uncertainty you may have regarding God’s will for healing.
The main takeaway of this book is that “Christ bore our sicknesses in the very same way that He bore our sins” (p.12).
Many sincere believers struggle to see healing because of false teaching. They’ve been told that it’s not God’s will to heal everyone, or that God wants them sick to teach them character, or that God used to heal people but He doesn’t anymore.
Through an in-depth study of scripture, TJ McCrossan demolishes all of these misconceptions. He writes that sickness is ultimately the devil’s work. (We have sickness and death on account of sin (Rms 5:12), but it was Satan who led our first parents to disobey God. Thus Satan is the originator and propagator of sickness.) McCrossan notes that Jesus rebuked sickness in the same way that He rebuked evil spirits – harshly and with authority. Sickness is not something we should learn to live with, but something we need to learn how to eliminate through faith in Christ.
Jesus healed the sick (Mt 4:23), He commanded His disciples to heal the sick (Mt 10:8), and He said that we would heal the sick (Mk 16:18). So why are we unsure about His will for the sick? His will is that we heal them!
Probably my favorite part of the book was the section on God’s will versus our will. Many believers pray with the proviso if it be Thy will. As McCrossan explains, this is faithless, irresponsible praying. It is giving voice to doubt and abdicating our God-given mandate to heal the sick. The Bible is full of promises and instructions regarding healing. We have no excuse for imitating the father in Mark 9:22 who asked Jesus, “if you can do anything…” If you can?! Of course He can – He’s God! He can heal and He wants to heal. The real question is not “God, can you?” but “do you believe?”
Jesus died for all sinners but not all are saved. Why not? Because of unbelief in the goodness of God. Similarly, Jesus died that all might be healed, but not all are healed? According to TJ MCrossan, it’s the same reason:
“Every saint has a blood-bought right to be healed, but thousands do not know that they must exercise the very same appropriating faith in the bruised body of Christ for their healing as they formerly exercised in His shed blood for their salvation.” (p.64)
On the whole I am greatly inspired by Bodily Healing and the Atonement, but I sense there is a danger that some readers might trip up if they are not already acquainted with The Gospel by grace alone through faith alone. For instance, the author lists a number of conditions for being healed. The first requirement is “keeping all of God’s commands and doing only what was right in His sight” (p.64). This comes from 1 Jn 3:22; God answered John’s prayers because John kept God’s commandments. But what the author neglects to mention is that the commandments John is referring to are not the commandments of the Old Testament. John is saying we must believe in Jesus Christ (see 1 Jn 3:23). If you don’t believe in Jesus, you’re going to have a hard time receiving the healing that He provided for you at the cross.
We are not healed on the basis of our law-keeping, but on account of God’s grace revealed to us through Christ. Yet God’s grace will be of no effect to you unless you respond positively in faith (Eph 2:8). The gospel of Christ reveals the power of God for salvation – forgiveness, healing, deliverance – for everyone who believes (Rms 1:16), and ultimately this is the message of Bodily Healing. If you are battling with long term illness or know someone who is, get them a copy of this book. Then go heal them.
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I don't think it is ever OK to call another Christian a heretic because they don't believe exactly the same in this subject or others. Some believe in speaking in tongues and some don't. Again. I do not believe it is ever OK to call a Christian a heretic because they don't believe the same on these and other matters well known for disagreement among Christians. On either side of the subject.
“Bodily Healing and the Atonement” by TJ McCrossan
The main takeaway of this book is that “Christ bore our sicknesses in the very same way that He bore our sins” (p.12).
Many sincere believers struggle to see healing because of false teaching. They’ve been told that it’s not God’s will to heal everyone, or that God wants them sick to teach them character, or that God used to heal people but He doesn’t anymore.
Through an in-depth study of scripture, TJ McCrossan demolishes all of these misconceptions. He writes that sickness is ultimately the devil’s work. (We have sickness and death on account of sin (Rms 5:12), but it was Satan who led our first parents to disobey God. Thus Satan is the originator and propagator of sickness.) McCrossan notes that Jesus rebuked sickness in the same way that He rebuked evil spirits – harshly and with authority. Sickness is not something we should learn to live with, but something we need to learn how to eliminate through faith in Christ.
Jesus healed the sick (Mt 4:23), He commanded His disciples to heal the sick (Mt 10:8), and He said that we would heal the sick (Mk 16:18). So why are we unsure about His will for the sick? His will is that we heal them!
Probably my favorite part of the book was the section on God’s will versus our will. Many believers pray with the proviso if it be Thy will. As McCrossan explains, this is faithless, irresponsible praying. It is giving voice to doubt and abdicating our God-given mandate to heal the sick. The Bible is full of promises and instructions regarding healing. We have no excuse for imitating the father in Mark 9:22 who asked Jesus, “if you can do anything…” If you can?! Of course He can – He’s God! He can heal and He wants to heal. The real question is not “God, can you?” but “do you believe?”
Jesus died for all sinners but not all are saved. Why not? Because of unbelief in the goodness of God. Similarly, Jesus died that all might be healed, but not all are healed? According to TJ MCrossan, it’s the same reason:
“Every saint has a blood-bought right to be healed, but thousands do not know that they must exercise the very same appropriating faith in the bruised body of Christ for their healing as they formerly exercised in His shed blood for their salvation.” (p.64)
On the whole I am greatly inspired by Bodily Healing and the Atonement, but I sense there is a danger that some readers might trip up if they are not already acquainted with The Gospel by grace alone through faith alone. For instance, the author lists a number of conditions for being healed. The first requirement is “keeping all of God’s commands and doing only what was right in His sight” (p.64). This comes from 1 Jn 3:22; God answered John’s prayers because John kept God’s commandments. But what the author neglects to mention is that the commandments John is referring to are not the commandments of the Old Testament. John is saying we must believe in Jesus Christ (see 1 Jn 3:23). If you don’t believe in Jesus, you’re going to have a hard time receiving the healing that He provided for you at the cross.
We are not healed on the basis of our law-keeping, but on account of God’s grace revealed to us through Christ. Yet God’s grace will be of no effect to you unless you respond positively in faith (Eph 2:8). The gospel of Christ reveals the power of God for salvation – forgiveness, healing, deliverance – for everyone who believes (Rms 1:16), and ultimately this is the message of Bodily Healing. If you are battling with long term illness or know someone who is, get them a copy of this book. Then go heal them.
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Basically says "if that thing won't move, MAKE IT MOVE."
Nothing can stop the power of God.
Exception.
Jesus actually did get blocked from miracles in his hometown due to unbelief.
Unforgiveness can stop it as well as rebellion or habitual sin.
Lack of knowledge can stop a healing. "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge "
One more thing. It is dangerous for a mature saint to ignore our basic core faith walk.
1) holiness
2) a robust divorce from this world.
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LOL!
yeah if that were true joanie, you would simply ignore
let's be truthful, even though I am actually posting balance and biblical truth in this thread...which YOU did not start so it might be intelligent to quit trying to tell people who should post, when they should post or if they should report to YOU before they do, the problem is I irk the stew out of you
myself and several others here just will not let you get away with spreading the false teaching of those who eschew that God will heal everyone if only......
1. they have enough faith
2. they have enough faith
3. they have enough faith
4. they screw up their foreheads, hold their breath until red in the face, and chant what they consider positive healing verses
only you could somehow how try to do a mashup of a Christmas thread which is nonsense and this thread which you seem to think is a your personal platform
my best advice to you would be to get over yourself and understand this is a public forum and not your personal blog
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I agree. I know nothing.
That leads me to what Jesus did and said.
That wayn should i be challenged on what he saidn i simply referr them to Jesus.
What exactly are you guestioning his word about.
Maybe i can assist you.
I pray his mighty blessing on you. May every good gift and blessing be yoursnso much so that you are unable to contain the extravagance of his outpuring on your walk ,spirit, and family !!!
Bless you sis!!!!
I know you are a strong christian,and certainly a mighty woman of God
That leads me to what Jesus did and said.
That wayn should i be challenged on what he saidn i simply referr them to Jesus.
What exactly are you guestioning his word about.
Maybe i can assist you.
I pray his mighty blessing on you. May every good gift and blessing be yoursnso much so that you are unable to contain the extravagance of his outpuring on your walk ,spirit, and family !!!
Bless you sis!!!!
I know you are a strong christian,and certainly a mighty woman of God
Well, I have called people who espouse Word Faith or hypergrace heretics. Why? Because when you make a false, deceiving doctrine, that is contrary to the Bible, using Scriptures pulled out of context, well, that is heresy. These people have been led astray by false teachers. Now, I do not say they have lost their salvation. So, if you are talking about basic doctrines show the person is not saved, I do not think these false doctrines fall into this category.
The basic premise of Word Faith, is that if you hang onto certain Bible verses, then you can hold God accountable for healing, and in some cases wealth. It also means being positive about something that has not yet happened. I do understand that faith is the "evidenced of things not seen." But, when you are comparing Abraham, or Moses, or any other the other OT heroes of faith in Hebrews 11, you are talking about people who heard from God and obeyed him. And they are a testimony of what true faith is.
"These all died in faith without receiving the things promised, but they saw them in the distance and welcomed them and acknowledged that they were strangers and foreigners on the earth. 14 For those who speak in such a way make it clear that they are seeking a homeland. 15 In fact, if they had been thinking of the land that they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But as it is, they aspire to a better land, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore, God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them." Hebrews 11:13-16
Woe! This passage says "they died in faith without receiving the things promised, but saw them in the distance.... they aspire to a better land, that is a heavenly one!" Do you understand that means that not all are healed? Not all are delivered? Not all are wealthy? In fact, the faith chapter continues:
"But others were tortured, not accepting release, to obtain resurrection to a better life. 36 And others experienced mocking and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. 37 They were stoned, sawed apart, murdered with the sword; they went about in sheepskins and goatskins; they were destitute, afflicted, ill-treated 38 (the world was not worthy of them); they wandered in deserts and mountains and caves and openings in the earth. 39 And these all were commended for their faith, yet they did not receive what was promised." Hebfrew 11: 36-39
They did not receive what was promised!! Why?
"For God had provided something better for us, so that they would be made perfect together with us." Hebrews 11:40
And when are we perfected? When we see Christ face to face!
"Dear friends, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that whenever it is revealed we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is." 1 John 3:2
"For now we see in a mirror indirectly, but then we will see face to face. Now I know in part, but then I will know fully, just as I have been fully known." 1 Cor., 13:12
When will pain and tears end?
"He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death will not exist any more—or mourning, or crying, or pain, for the former things have ceased to exist.” Rev. 21:4
I just don't know what could be much more heretical than demanding things from God, by twisting Scriptures and making them say things which undermine the very sovereignty of God, and while perhaps well intentioned, offering an end to suffering, which contradicts the entire plan of salvation. And that is that we will all be healthy when God glorifies us! To say nothing of the hurt these people live in their wake, with the certainly they offer to people to be healed, when reality tells us that even those most dedicated to this heresy often do not get healed.
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thankfully, you most likely will never have a platform big enough to infect people in numbers large enough to create more of a mess then your post indicates you are already in
please
you take a license with the word that would make most sensible people fear for you, while you insult anyone who disagrees with your posits
this is prime time WOF nonsense with the usual indulgence of personal clap trap. good stuff to help illustrate why we so adamantly disagree with the teaching of this sad chapter in Christian circles
Very kind of you to say heartofdavid. Yes., we are indeed true Christians on opposite ends of this healing discussion. A discussion that is allowed here. This is Christian chat and forums. And it should not be a shock or an insult that not all of us born again Christians believe the same. Angela has her own personal experiences and they are hers and hers alone. But they are not mine or everyone else's. Nor should she or any Christian expect all of us to see healing the same as she does. The same goes for 7seas.
There are just as many Christians on either side of this discussion and none are to be held in disdain or counted as heretics as I already mentioned in the post above and was rebuked for saying it and then called it again in the next post. The accusation is used a lot and often.
Some here are not able to agree to disagree. Angela and 7seas for example want to make it "illegal" here on CC to disagree with their findings of no healing in the atonement. And that is the problem. The differences have nothing to do with hyper anything or word of faith anything. Those very broad brush strokes are used to shut down a discussion. And are not supposed to be used for accusation against another Christian. Yet the accusations continue to be used regardless of the rules here.
Ladies., I do not agree with you about there not being healing in the atonement. I believe there IS healing in the atonement. I agree with many other Christians who also believe there is healing in the atonement. You cannot simply dismiss us as all as heretics. It's a sorry situation that you keep trying to anyway.
Was looking at some books on healing in the atonement on Amazon and found this one that has been reviewed. I was also surprised at how many books there were written on the subject of healing in the atonement. It strikes me that there are many different Christians in the world who believe in healing and many Christians who don't. Both use the Hebrew and Greek too. Both have scholars who have good points on both sides of the table.
I don't think it is ever OK to call another Christian a heretic because they don't believe exactly the same in this subject or others. Some believe in speaking in tongues and some don't. Again. I do not believe it is ever OK to call a Christian a heretic because they don't believe the same on these and other matters well known for disagreement among Christians. On either side of the subject.
“Bodily Healing and the Atonement” by TJ McCrossan
I’ve just finished reading Bodily Healing and the Atonement by TJ McCrossan. This 80 year old classic (since reprinted) is a welcome antidote to any uncertainty you may have regarding God’s will for healing.
The main takeaway of this book is that “Christ bore our sicknesses in the very same way that He bore our sins” (p.12).
Many sincere believers struggle to see healing because of false teaching. They’ve been told that it’s not God’s will to heal everyone, or that God wants them sick to teach them character, or that God used to heal people but He doesn’t anymore.
Through an in-depth study of scripture, TJ McCrossan demolishes all of these misconceptions. He writes that sickness is ultimately the devil’s work. (We have sickness and death on account of sin (Rms 5:12), but it was Satan who led our first parents to disobey God. Thus Satan is the originator and propagator of sickness.) McCrossan notes that Jesus rebuked sickness in the same way that He rebuked evil spirits – harshly and with authority. Sickness is not something we should learn to live with, but something we need to learn how to eliminate through faith in Christ.
Jesus healed the sick (Mt 4:23), He commanded His disciples to heal the sick (Mt 10:8), and He said that we would heal the sick (Mk 16:18). So why are we unsure about His will for the sick? His will is that we heal them!
Probably my favorite part of the book was the section on God’s will versus our will. Many believers pray with the proviso if it be Thy will. As McCrossan explains, this is faithless, irresponsible praying. It is giving voice to doubt and abdicating our God-given mandate to heal the sick. The Bible is full of promises and instructions regarding healing. We have no excuse for imitating the father in Mark 9:22 who asked Jesus, “if you can do anything…” If you can?! Of course He can – He’s God! He can heal and He wants to heal. The real question is not “God, can you?” but “do you believe?”
Jesus died for all sinners but not all are saved. Why not? Because of unbelief in the goodness of God. Similarly, Jesus died that all might be healed, but not all are healed? According to TJ MCrossan, it’s the same reason:
“Every saint has a blood-bought right to be healed, but thousands do not know that they must exercise the very same appropriating faith in the bruised body of Christ for their healing as they formerly exercised in His shed blood for their salvation.” (p.64)
On the whole I am greatly inspired by Bodily Healing and the Atonement, but I sense there is a danger that some readers might trip up if they are not already acquainted with The Gospel by grace alone through faith alone. For instance, the author lists a number of conditions for being healed. The first requirement is “keeping all of God’s commands and doing only what was right in His sight” (p.64). This comes from 1 Jn 3:22; God answered John’s prayers because John kept God’s commandments. But what the author neglects to mention is that the commandments John is referring to are not the commandments of the Old Testament. John is saying we must believe in Jesus Christ (see 1 Jn 3:23). If you don’t believe in Jesus, you’re going to have a hard time receiving the healing that He provided for you at the cross.
We are not healed on the basis of our law-keeping, but on account of God’s grace revealed to us through Christ. Yet God’s grace will be of no effect to you unless you respond positively in faith (Eph 2:8). The gospel of Christ reveals the power of God for salvation – forgiveness, healing, deliverance – for everyone who believes (Rms 1:16), and ultimately this is the message of Bodily Healing. If you are battling with long term illness or know someone who is, get them a copy of this book. Then go heal them.
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I don't think it is ever OK to call another Christian a heretic because they don't believe exactly the same in this subject or others. Some believe in speaking in tongues and some don't. Again. I do not believe it is ever OK to call a Christian a heretic because they don't believe the same on these and other matters well known for disagreement among Christians. On either side of the subject.
“Bodily Healing and the Atonement” by TJ McCrossan
The main takeaway of this book is that “Christ bore our sicknesses in the very same way that He bore our sins” (p.12).
Many sincere believers struggle to see healing because of false teaching. They’ve been told that it’s not God’s will to heal everyone, or that God wants them sick to teach them character, or that God used to heal people but He doesn’t anymore.
Through an in-depth study of scripture, TJ McCrossan demolishes all of these misconceptions. He writes that sickness is ultimately the devil’s work. (We have sickness and death on account of sin (Rms 5:12), but it was Satan who led our first parents to disobey God. Thus Satan is the originator and propagator of sickness.) McCrossan notes that Jesus rebuked sickness in the same way that He rebuked evil spirits – harshly and with authority. Sickness is not something we should learn to live with, but something we need to learn how to eliminate through faith in Christ.
Jesus healed the sick (Mt 4:23), He commanded His disciples to heal the sick (Mt 10:8), and He said that we would heal the sick (Mk 16:18). So why are we unsure about His will for the sick? His will is that we heal them!
Probably my favorite part of the book was the section on God’s will versus our will. Many believers pray with the proviso if it be Thy will. As McCrossan explains, this is faithless, irresponsible praying. It is giving voice to doubt and abdicating our God-given mandate to heal the sick. The Bible is full of promises and instructions regarding healing. We have no excuse for imitating the father in Mark 9:22 who asked Jesus, “if you can do anything…” If you can?! Of course He can – He’s God! He can heal and He wants to heal. The real question is not “God, can you?” but “do you believe?”
Jesus died for all sinners but not all are saved. Why not? Because of unbelief in the goodness of God. Similarly, Jesus died that all might be healed, but not all are healed? According to TJ MCrossan, it’s the same reason:
“Every saint has a blood-bought right to be healed, but thousands do not know that they must exercise the very same appropriating faith in the bruised body of Christ for their healing as they formerly exercised in His shed blood for their salvation.” (p.64)
On the whole I am greatly inspired by Bodily Healing and the Atonement, but I sense there is a danger that some readers might trip up if they are not already acquainted with The Gospel by grace alone through faith alone. For instance, the author lists a number of conditions for being healed. The first requirement is “keeping all of God’s commands and doing only what was right in His sight” (p.64). This comes from 1 Jn 3:22; God answered John’s prayers because John kept God’s commandments. But what the author neglects to mention is that the commandments John is referring to are not the commandments of the Old Testament. John is saying we must believe in Jesus Christ (see 1 Jn 3:23). If you don’t believe in Jesus, you’re going to have a hard time receiving the healing that He provided for you at the cross.
We are not healed on the basis of our law-keeping, but on account of God’s grace revealed to us through Christ. Yet God’s grace will be of no effect to you unless you respond positively in faith (Eph 2:8). The gospel of Christ reveals the power of God for salvation – forgiveness, healing, deliverance – for everyone who believes (Rms 1:16), and ultimately this is the message of Bodily Healing. If you are battling with long term illness or know someone who is, get them a copy of this book. Then go heal them.
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I believe that Jesus heals today, no question! Let me give an example. 25 Year People told me that I am a christian, because I was baptiesed as Baby. This Doctrine I hold for a false Doctrine, because it leads people in a false assurance.
If Somebody claimes that all christians will be physical healed from there sicknesses during their earthly life, I say this is a false Doctrine which leads Children of God in a false Hope. Not only that, also the not healed Person muss think that he/she has not enough faith ore it is his/her own fault. None of the NT writers taught and practiced this teaching.
Here is an article on healing by Andrew Wommack who has a Bible school in Colorado. He doesn't claim to know it all (as none of us do or should) but he offers some explanations to questions we have all had. Healing is taught and should we want to know about it or anything else we have questions about., we have to search out the principles of who God is and what He has given us and why. When we want to see God the Father we are told to look at God the Son. (Jesus) He is the example. Jesus healed everyone who came to him.
But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
This was a strong statement that Jesus made to a woman that came to ask Him to heal her daughter. Jesus was telling her that she had no right to ask for healing, since she wasn’t Jewish. Wisely and remarkably, this woman humbled herself and pleaded for mercy instead of trying to demand her rights. She didn’t have any rights. And when Jesus had mercy on her, she returned home to find her daughter healed. It’s that simple. She received based on Jesus, not on what she deserved.
Many of you may wonder, If God heals today, then where is it? How do I get it manifest? You believe it works, but you don’t know how. Maybe you’ve seen someone stand and not get healed. Or maybe you have stood for your own healing and have not seen it manifest. Whichever it is, your faith has been shaken as a result. Well, I want you to know that God wants you well. And I want to share with you how it works.
One of the things you have to be convinced of before you even approach this is that healing is in Christ’s atonement. Look at what it says here in 1 Peter, talking about Jesus:
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Notice how it says Jesus took stripes for your healing! It’s yours! It’s one of the things Jesus bought for you through His sacrifice! And this verse says, “Ye were healed” (emphasis mine)—past tense. This is such a clear statement that I wonder how any Christian could not believe that. But I’ve learned that many people don’t let the Bible get in the way of their theology. Even some who believe God can heal don’t believe He will or has already healed. They say things like, “Well, God heals but not all the time. Sometimes it’s not His will.” But it’s hard to argue with a past-tense statement like that of 1 Peter 2:24.
It’s taken from a prophecy Isaiah gave in Isaiah 53, which says,
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Some people try to make this mean Jesus only took stripes for our spiritual healing. Well, he did suffer for our spiritual health, but let’s look at how the prophecy was fulfilled, in Matthew 8:
When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: [17] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias [Isaiah] the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.
This makes it clear that Jesus suffered for your healing! It belongs to you.
Healing is the children’s bread. It’s your portion. It’s what God has given to you. If you’re a Christian, healing belongs to you! If you just meditate on the implications of this for a while, it’d go a long way in seeing healing manifest. You’d just realize, I don’t have to be sick.That’s exactly right.
Many people believe that God wants them well, but they don’t understand how it works. I’ve got a lot of revelation on this. I don’t know it all. I haven’t arrived, but I’ve left and I’ve seen awesome miracles, including my own son being raised up after over four hours of death. I’ve devoted all of March’s television programs, and even some of April’s, to sharing these truths. We’ve also put together a lot of my teaching that will specifically share with you how you can receive the healing Jesus has already provided for you.
What I want to do with the rest of the space of this letter is share with you some of the healing testimonies through this ministry of how it’s worked in people’s lives. These are regular people just like you and me. Don’t think that they are better than you or more spiritual—that is not what this is about. This is about what Jesus paid for and not about your performance. This isn’t just hearsay. You can see and hear these testimonies and eighteen others online, at www.awmi.net/extra/healing.
From the time Hannah Terradez was born, she had a rare autoimmune disease called eosinophilic enteropathy, which meant her body built up allergies to nearly every kind of food. Her immune system would attack food she’d eat and then reject it. There was no known cure, only a radical survival method: a feeding tube. And at the age of three years old, she was still wearing nine-month-old baby clothes!
But one day, her parents, Ashley and Carlie, got hold of one of my old tapes and heard me say, “By His stripes, we were healed.” After the tape finished, they’d heard the nearly-too-good-to-be-true news. Hope began to arise in their hearts. Carlie said, “We’d never heard Scripture revealed so clearly and simply. The Word took root in our hearts and became more real to us than what the doctors were saying.” Then Carlie realized that Hannah had spoken like this every night for their bedtime prayer, saying, “Dear Jesus, thank You for loving me and for healing me.” They just realized that in her childlike faith, she had been praying a profound truth all along. It was a done deal!
The next day, they found where I was holding meetings and brought Hannah to have me pray for her. I told them it was a piece of cake for God to heal her and all they needed to do was agree with me in prayer. I took authority over Satan, telling him to leave, and commanded Hannah’s body to stop attacking food and to be well. Then I told Ashley and Carlie they needed to walk out what they believed. They would have eased her into a normal diet, but once again, Hannah was ahead of them, saying, “I want to go to McDonald’s!” And that settled it for Ashley and Carlie. They couldn’t find a McDonald’s, so they took her to Kentucky Fried Chicken, where she ate chicken nuggets, ice cream, yogurt, cheese, chocolate, and fruit juice for the first time in her life! She’s been eating normally ever since! Praise the Lord!
How did this happen? They got hold of the truth that by Jesus’ stripes, Hannah was healed, and then with childlike faith—BOOM—her healing manifested! And it wasn’t just because I prayed for them. They had to stand on this for themselves when the symptoms tried to come back.
Let me share with you one more testimony. This one’s about Mike Hoesch. Back in 2000, he had an itch on his chest that persisted, and when he examined the area, and he noticed a pimple-sized sore. He dismissed it, but the itch remained.
Months passed and the sore hadn’t gone away; it began to worsen. Although he believed in healing, he’d been involved with a ministry for twenty years that focused on performance-based doctrine. So, while he knew healing was available, he believed it was conditional upon his efforts. He continued to suffer, as the sore began to grow.
After trying herbal remedies, to no avail, he went to see a doctor, thinking it was no problem. But when he learned it was a malignant neoplasm, a cancerous skin tumor, he panicked! But not wanting to do anything driven by fear, Mike cancelled his appointment with the surgeon.
Over the next several years, the growth became a very large and troublesome tumor requiring cleaning and bandaging several times a day. The tumor slowly drained the life out of him, and in his weakened condition, he was forced to quit his job.
Mike purposed in his heart that he would seek the Lord and spend time in His Word. While his intentions were good, he struggled as he began to see things in the Word contrary to what he had been taught over the previous twenty years. Still confused, he began confessing healing Scriptures, not out of understanding, but out of a desire to earn his healing.
One day, as he was wrestling with faith and his beliefs, a friend brought him my teaching You’ve Already Got It!. As he began listening, the Lord confirmed things He had been showing Mike in the Word. He started rejoicing: “It just blessed me so much when I heard Andrew sharing these things. It was like, yes, yes, I’ve already got it! I was waiting for the Lord to intervene again on my behalf, but he had already done that in Christ. Everything that I had, every sickness, disease, or sin that I’ll ever commit or had committed—Christ bore!” With his faith strengthened, Mike completely let go of his tumor, switching his focus to Jesus, to receive what He had provided.
A month after this, his wife noticed the tumor had decreased in size. At one time, this would’ve sent Mike through the roof rejoicing, but because of his newfound steadfastness in the Word, his reaction was one of calm expectancy. He had come to realize the cancer had to leave because of what Jesus had already done for him, and about five months later, his chest was clear.
These are just two examples of how it works! You may have a different situation, but these same truths will work for you too. Remember, healing is your bread—it belongs to you. Once you have that settled, your childlike faith will be rekindled that God has already done it. Then you need to take your authority over the devil and walk out what you believe.
But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
Mark 7:27
This was a strong statement that Jesus made to a woman that came to ask Him to heal her daughter. Jesus was telling her that she had no right to ask for healing, since she wasn’t Jewish. Wisely and remarkably, this woman humbled herself and pleaded for mercy instead of trying to demand her rights. She didn’t have any rights. And when Jesus had mercy on her, she returned home to find her daughter healed. It’s that simple. She received based on Jesus, not on what she deserved.
Many of you may wonder, If God heals today, then where is it? How do I get it manifest? You believe it works, but you don’t know how. Maybe you’ve seen someone stand and not get healed. Or maybe you have stood for your own healing and have not seen it manifest. Whichever it is, your faith has been shaken as a result. Well, I want you to know that God wants you well. And I want to share with you how it works.
One of the things you have to be convinced of before you even approach this is that healing is in Christ’s atonement. Look at what it says here in 1 Peter, talking about Jesus:
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1 Peter 2:24
Notice how it says Jesus took stripes for your healing! It’s yours! It’s one of the things Jesus bought for you through His sacrifice! And this verse says, “Ye were healed” (emphasis mine)—past tense. This is such a clear statement that I wonder how any Christian could not believe that. But I’ve learned that many people don’t let the Bible get in the way of their theology. Even some who believe God can heal don’t believe He will or has already healed. They say things like, “Well, God heals but not all the time. Sometimes it’s not His will.” But it’s hard to argue with a past-tense statement like that of 1 Peter 2:24.
It’s taken from a prophecy Isaiah gave in Isaiah 53, which says,
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isaiah 53:5
Some people try to make this mean Jesus only took stripes for our spiritual healing. Well, he did suffer for our spiritual health, but let’s look at how the prophecy was fulfilled, in Matthew 8:
When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: [17] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias [Isaiah] the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.
Matthew 8:16-17, brackets mine
This makes it clear that Jesus suffered for your healing! It belongs to you.
Healing is the children’s bread. It’s your portion. It’s what God has given to you. If you’re a Christian, healing belongs to you! If you just meditate on the implications of this for a while, it’d go a long way in seeing healing manifest. You’d just realize, I don’t have to be sick.That’s exactly right.
Many people believe that God wants them well, but they don’t understand how it works. I’ve got a lot of revelation on this. I don’t know it all. I haven’t arrived, but I’ve left and I’ve seen awesome miracles, including my own son being raised up after over four hours of death. I’ve devoted all of March’s television programs, and even some of April’s, to sharing these truths. We’ve also put together a lot of my teaching that will specifically share with you how you can receive the healing Jesus has already provided for you.
What I want to do with the rest of the space of this letter is share with you some of the healing testimonies through this ministry of how it’s worked in people’s lives. These are regular people just like you and me. Don’t think that they are better than you or more spiritual—that is not what this is about. This is about what Jesus paid for and not about your performance. This isn’t just hearsay. You can see and hear these testimonies and eighteen others online, at www.awmi.net/extra/healing.
From the time Hannah Terradez was born, she had a rare autoimmune disease called eosinophilic enteropathy, which meant her body built up allergies to nearly every kind of food. Her immune system would attack food she’d eat and then reject it. There was no known cure, only a radical survival method: a feeding tube. And at the age of three years old, she was still wearing nine-month-old baby clothes!
But one day, her parents, Ashley and Carlie, got hold of one of my old tapes and heard me say, “By His stripes, we were healed.” After the tape finished, they’d heard the nearly-too-good-to-be-true news. Hope began to arise in their hearts. Carlie said, “We’d never heard Scripture revealed so clearly and simply. The Word took root in our hearts and became more real to us than what the doctors were saying.” Then Carlie realized that Hannah had spoken like this every night for their bedtime prayer, saying, “Dear Jesus, thank You for loving me and for healing me.” They just realized that in her childlike faith, she had been praying a profound truth all along. It was a done deal!
The next day, they found where I was holding meetings and brought Hannah to have me pray for her. I told them it was a piece of cake for God to heal her and all they needed to do was agree with me in prayer. I took authority over Satan, telling him to leave, and commanded Hannah’s body to stop attacking food and to be well. Then I told Ashley and Carlie they needed to walk out what they believed. They would have eased her into a normal diet, but once again, Hannah was ahead of them, saying, “I want to go to McDonald’s!” And that settled it for Ashley and Carlie. They couldn’t find a McDonald’s, so they took her to Kentucky Fried Chicken, where she ate chicken nuggets, ice cream, yogurt, cheese, chocolate, and fruit juice for the first time in her life! She’s been eating normally ever since! Praise the Lord!
How did this happen? They got hold of the truth that by Jesus’ stripes, Hannah was healed, and then with childlike faith—BOOM—her healing manifested! And it wasn’t just because I prayed for them. They had to stand on this for themselves when the symptoms tried to come back.
Let me share with you one more testimony. This one’s about Mike Hoesch. Back in 2000, he had an itch on his chest that persisted, and when he examined the area, and he noticed a pimple-sized sore. He dismissed it, but the itch remained.
Months passed and the sore hadn’t gone away; it began to worsen. Although he believed in healing, he’d been involved with a ministry for twenty years that focused on performance-based doctrine. So, while he knew healing was available, he believed it was conditional upon his efforts. He continued to suffer, as the sore began to grow.
After trying herbal remedies, to no avail, he went to see a doctor, thinking it was no problem. But when he learned it was a malignant neoplasm, a cancerous skin tumor, he panicked! But not wanting to do anything driven by fear, Mike cancelled his appointment with the surgeon.
Over the next several years, the growth became a very large and troublesome tumor requiring cleaning and bandaging several times a day. The tumor slowly drained the life out of him, and in his weakened condition, he was forced to quit his job.
Mike purposed in his heart that he would seek the Lord and spend time in His Word. While his intentions were good, he struggled as he began to see things in the Word contrary to what he had been taught over the previous twenty years. Still confused, he began confessing healing Scriptures, not out of understanding, but out of a desire to earn his healing.
One day, as he was wrestling with faith and his beliefs, a friend brought him my teaching You’ve Already Got It!. As he began listening, the Lord confirmed things He had been showing Mike in the Word. He started rejoicing: “It just blessed me so much when I heard Andrew sharing these things. It was like, yes, yes, I’ve already got it! I was waiting for the Lord to intervene again on my behalf, but he had already done that in Christ. Everything that I had, every sickness, disease, or sin that I’ll ever commit or had committed—Christ bore!” With his faith strengthened, Mike completely let go of his tumor, switching his focus to Jesus, to receive what He had provided.
A month after this, his wife noticed the tumor had decreased in size. At one time, this would’ve sent Mike through the roof rejoicing, but because of his newfound steadfastness in the Word, his reaction was one of calm expectancy. He had come to realize the cancer had to leave because of what Jesus had already done for him, and about five months later, his chest was clear.
These are just two examples of how it works! You may have a different situation, but these same truths will work for you too. Remember, healing is your bread—it belongs to you. Once you have that settled, your childlike faith will be rekindled that God has already done it. Then you need to take your authority over the devil and walk out what you believe.
Not really, as we are not to condone false teachings or encourage misunderstood information. God heals and God kills. He makes alive, he plagues.
He will heal if it is in his plan to do so, though praying and being healed, may often be in his plan as blessings and his glory.
But, if he needs you to get sick or die, no amount of prayer will change his mind. All things are known before we ask.
It would be nice for people to stop preaching easy healing. I'm just waiting and hoping for a peaceful death. If I had healing to live longer, what benefit is it to me unless I'm allowed to enjoy it. And Christians have no enjoyment. We are slaves. We are property.
He will heal if it is in his plan to do so, though praying and being healed, may often be in his plan as blessings and his glory.
But, if he needs you to get sick or die, no amount of prayer will change his mind. All things are known before we ask.
It would be nice for people to stop preaching easy healing. I'm just waiting and hoping for a peaceful death. If I had healing to live longer, what benefit is it to me unless I'm allowed to enjoy it. And Christians have no enjoyment. We are slaves. We are property.
God never promised us healing in this lifetime. Some are, some aren't. And why, only God knows..
I LOVE how the holier than thous just say "oh you must not have enough faith or you'd be healed by now". Or "you must not truly believe in God's power". Or "you must be comfortable in your disease".. Or any of a hundred other insults I've heard from the think they know it all's on here..
NEWSFLASH: Your God WILL NOT PERMANENTLY heal you in this lifetime. He most likely won't even temporarily heal you..
I LOVE how the holier than thous just say "oh you must not have enough faith or you'd be healed by now". Or "you must not truly believe in God's power". Or "you must be comfortable in your disease".. Or any of a hundred other insults I've heard from the think they know it all's on here..
NEWSFLASH: Your God WILL NOT PERMANENTLY heal you in this lifetime. He most likely won't even temporarily heal you..
One of the things you have to be convinced of before you even approach this is that healing is in Christ’s atonement. Look at what it says here in 1 Peter, talking about Jesus:
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Notice how it says Jesus took stripes for your healing! It’s yours! It’s one of the things Jesus bought for you through His sacrifice! And this verse says, “Ye were healed” (emphasis mine)—past tense. This is such a clear statement that I wonder how any Christian could not believe that. But I’ve learned that many people don’t let the Bible get in the way of their theology. Even some who believe God can heal don’t believe He will or has already healed. They say things like, “Well, God heals but not all the time. Sometimes it’s not His will.” But it’s hard to argue with a past-tense statement like that of 1 Peter 2:24.
It’s taken from a prophecy Isaiah gave in Isaiah 53, which says,
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Some people try to make this mean Jesus only took stripes for our spiritual healing. Well, he did suffer for our spiritual health, but let’s look at how the prophecy was fulfilled, in Matthew 8:
When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: [17] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias [Isaiah] the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1 Peter 2:24
Notice how it says Jesus took stripes for your healing! It’s yours! It’s one of the things Jesus bought for you through His sacrifice! And this verse says, “Ye were healed” (emphasis mine)—past tense. This is such a clear statement that I wonder how any Christian could not believe that. But I’ve learned that many people don’t let the Bible get in the way of their theology. Even some who believe God can heal don’t believe He will or has already healed. They say things like, “Well, God heals but not all the time. Sometimes it’s not His will.” But it’s hard to argue with a past-tense statement like that of 1 Peter 2:24.
It’s taken from a prophecy Isaiah gave in Isaiah 53, which says,
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isaiah 53:5
Some people try to make this mean Jesus only took stripes for our spiritual healing. Well, he did suffer for our spiritual health, but let’s look at how the prophecy was fulfilled, in Matthew 8:
When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: [17] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias [Isaiah] the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.