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Representatives from John MacArthur's Church, "Grace Community Church" interviewed Kathryn Kuhlman back in the early 70s, and asked her if she could give them the names of at least a dozen people that she KNEW FOR SURE that she had healed of a terminal disease at least 5 years earlier. She said "YES, I can!" She promptly went to a file cabinet and copied down a dozen names and addresses, giving the list to the representatives from Grace Community Church.
They in turn looked up every name on the list, and found that all had experienced a temporary (physcological) relief of their symptoms, but all twelve had their symptoms return and all twelve had died of their terminal disease. Kathryn Kuhlman refused any additional interviews with NO EXPLANATION OF THE REASONS SHE FAILED TO HEAL THEM.
The obvious answer, is she fell for counterfeit of the real Miracle Gift of Healing. That MIRACLE GIFT's purpose was to validate that the new words that the Apostles were teaching truly were coming from GOD. THAT PURPOSE CEASED with the completion of our New Testament.
Mark 16:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word by the accompanying signs.
Do I believe GOD heals in answer to Prayer?
Absolutely when it is His will.
Do I believe in modern day Faith Healers?
Absolutely NOT! I believe they are deceivers, who have first of all deceived themselves.
Luke 14:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "And the slave came back and reported this to his master. Then the head of the household became angry and said to his slave, 'Go out at once into the streets and lanes of the city and bring in here the poor and crippled and blind and lame.'
Transliterated Word:[FONT=Gentium !important]chôlos[/FONT]
Root: a prim. word;
Definition: lame, halt, maimed {A physical injury, especially a loss of a limb. Dictionary.com}
New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.
THERE IS WHAT YOUR MODERN DAY FAITH HEALERS CANNOT DO, THAT THE APOSTLES WITH THE REAL GIFT DID DO, RESTORE A MISSING LIMB.
Acts 8:7 (ISV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Unclean spirits screamed with a loud voice as they came out of the many people they had possessed, and many paralyzed and lame people were healed.
They in turn looked up every name on the list, and found that all had experienced a temporary (physcological) relief of their symptoms, but all twelve had their symptoms return and all twelve had died of their terminal disease. Kathryn Kuhlman refused any additional interviews with NO EXPLANATION OF THE REASONS SHE FAILED TO HEAL THEM.
The obvious answer, is she fell for counterfeit of the real Miracle Gift of Healing. That MIRACLE GIFT's purpose was to validate that the new words that the Apostles were teaching truly were coming from GOD. THAT PURPOSE CEASED with the completion of our New Testament.
Mark 16:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word by the accompanying signs.
Do I believe GOD heals in answer to Prayer?
Absolutely when it is His will.
Do I believe in modern day Faith Healers?
Absolutely NOT! I believe they are deceivers, who have first of all deceived themselves.
Luke 14:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "And the slave came back and reported this to his master. Then the head of the household became angry and said to his slave, 'Go out at once into the streets and lanes of the city and bring in here the poor and crippled and blind and lame.'
Transliterated Word:[FONT=Gentium !important]chôlos[/FONT]
Root: a prim. word;
Definition: lame, halt, maimed {A physical injury, especially a loss of a limb. Dictionary.com}
New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.
THERE IS WHAT YOUR MODERN DAY FAITH HEALERS CANNOT DO, THAT THE APOSTLES WITH THE REAL GIFT DID DO, RESTORE A MISSING LIMB.
Acts 8:7 (ISV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Unclean spirits screamed with a loud voice as they came out of the many people they had possessed, and many paralyzed and lame people were healed.
K
Jesus did a lot of things when he was on earth. We only see a fraction of things taking place that he performed. And some things he did are extremely rare to see. Sure, we hear stories that can never be verified, that take place all the time in other countries. And sure, sometimes we know someone who is healed of something. But have you ever raised the dead yourself? Healed a blind person? Caused a limb to grow back before your eyes? How many trustworthy people do you know who have?
The reality is, not many Christians are physically healed. And it's not only luke-warm Christians or whatever excuse likes to be thrown out there. Fact is is that it is just not that common.[/QUOTE]
Ugly ,Jesus gave power to his disciples to heal.Then he said "you will do greater things".Yes I know of people who have been healed and also raised from the dead but I know many missionaries so that may be the difference.The NT church believed in miracle working power and maybe if more of us did we would see healing as often as they did.JMO
The reality is, not many Christians are physically healed. And it's not only luke-warm Christians or whatever excuse likes to be thrown out there. Fact is is that it is just not that common.[/QUOTE]
Ugly ,Jesus gave power to his disciples to heal.Then he said "you will do greater things".Yes I know of people who have been healed and also raised from the dead but I know many missionaries so that may be the difference.The NT church believed in miracle working power and maybe if more of us did we would see healing as often as they did.JMO
If you study carefully you will see that yes Jesus healed thousands but that it was in the beginning of His ministry. At the end of His ministry Jesus healed very few.
God is still in the healing business but God does not send healers into the church as many would have us to believe. You know that the catholics got all this stuff introduced into the church with all their shrines and relics and goofy stuff like that.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
God is still in the healing business but God does not send healers into the church as many would have us to believe. You know that the catholics got all this stuff introduced into the church with all their shrines and relics and goofy stuff like that.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
K
There is question as to whether Pauls thorn in the flesh was physical or not. Jobs situation was God allowing the devil to test him.Either instance does not mean its Gods will for us to be ill.Jesus healed all that came to Him.He said it was his will to heal.I dont believe God sends sickness to his saints,he delivers from sickness.I think it is an attack of the devil.JMO
I've known many elderly people who were in good health until they died. Our bodies are not immortal. We will die (unless the end comes first). Sin and the devil bring death/oppression. Acts 10:38 says "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him." Jesus was the express image of God (Hebrews 1:3) and healed all. Sickness isn't from God, but rather sin/the devil. It's important to understand that because if we just think sickness is from God, then we shouldn't resist God's will. We should embrace God's will. Why pray? Why try to stop it if it's "just God's will" how many believe? We are supposed to resist the devil! Yes, many good things can come out of the life of someone who's sick, but that doesn't mean God puts sickness on anyone or won't allow some to be healed.
Why isn't everyone healed? That should be looked at on a case by case basis. I don't believe anyone has all the answers or could explain all the reasons. But it's not because it's God's will that people are sick or haven't been healed. Yes, faith has something to do with it, but that's not the only factor.
Why isn't everyone healed? That should be looked at on a case by case basis. I don't believe anyone has all the answers or could explain all the reasons. But it's not because it's God's will that people are sick or haven't been healed. Yes, faith has something to do with it, but that's not the only factor.
E
why arn't all healed? Who would need to seek after God if no one is sick. Who would need or look after God if they do not see Gods people sick as a dog, yet praising God in their infirmities (I have seen people praise God dieing of cancer, and others come to god because of their faith)
God allows sickness for a reason. Yes he heals some, I have witnessed it, But even Lazarus had to die again, Which GOD NEVER INTENDED. It was not his plan when he made mankind!
God allows sickness for a reason. Yes he heals some, I have witnessed it, But even Lazarus had to die again, Which GOD NEVER INTENDED. It was not his plan when he made mankind!
E
Well if you say I am wrong about the health and wealth stuff tells why I am not healed. Any of you health and wealth people? Or maybe you can't because you know your health and wealth is wrong.
You all say I am wrong but you cannot say why I am not healed. I know why but you all don't because you follow a false doctrine.
You all say I am wrong but you cannot say why I am not healed. I know why but you all don't because you follow a false doctrine.
It is the wrong perspective to think God is God so He can give us what we want. God is God and we are to glorify Him. Our treasure is not here on this world our hope is not in what we have here but what we have for eternity in heaven.
We are branches and we are to bear the fruit God produces in us. We bear more fruit when we are pruned by God. We glorify God by how we endure suffering. We do not despair we rejoice in Gods goodness in our suffering. We develop depth of character for God when we learn to suffer for His sake.
Job was far close to God after his testing then he ever could have been before. Like Job said shall we receive only good at the hand of God or shall we not receive evil as well.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
We are branches and we are to bear the fruit God produces in us. We bear more fruit when we are pruned by God. We glorify God by how we endure suffering. We do not despair we rejoice in Gods goodness in our suffering. We develop depth of character for God when we learn to suffer for His sake.
Job was far close to God after his testing then he ever could have been before. Like Job said shall we receive only good at the hand of God or shall we not receive evil as well.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
