Is it Always Gods Will to Heal?

[ELECT]

Somebody could have the biggest, strongest faith in the world that they will be healed, and yet it may not happen. As I stated in my previous reply, only GOD knows why he heals some and not others. Someone's faith, or lack thereof, is completely irrelevant to whether God heals them or not. Of course it's always good to have faith, but I don't think getting healed is dependent on it.

[h=1]James 5:13-15King James Version (KJV)[/h]13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Your statement means the Bible and what Jesus did was a lie. The Bible proves people in Nazareth were not healed because they lacked Belief, which is a lack of Faith. Everyone one else Jesus ministered to that had faith were healed.

You need to stop calling the Bible irrelvant and and Lie...

​Stop twisting people's words to fit your agenda. I never said the bible is irrelevant or that Jesus is a liar. And FYI, faith and belief are two separate entities.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

James 5:13-15King James Version (KJV)

13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

the context of that passage is sin, Sin causes illness. If we confess our sins, then we have a means to be spiritually healed of that sin. And also can (depending on circumstance) may get physical healing (ie an alcoholic who quits drinking)

 

[JimmieD]

The issue at hand is stating that God desires you to be sickly and poor

If by "desire" you mean "is causing" then I would say that he isn't necessarily the primary cause of someone's poverty or ailments. But in a way, if you believe he is all powerful and all knowing, then he at least permits people to be sick and poor and created the world anyway while knowing who all would be sick and poor. So at some level, he does desire it, otherwise it wouldn't be so - unless you give up on the idea that God is either all powerful or all knowing.

In fact it is completely refuted in scripture. TO interpret God in this age, we must look at Jesus and Jesus was not poor nor was he sickly.

How is it you know that Jesus wasn't poor? Being from Nazareth/Galilee, he was almost certainly poor. If he had been from the nearby Sepphoris or Tiberias, perhaps we could say he was well to do. But Galilee was inhabited by peasants and day laborers.

The largest lie the devil has on the church is the the one that says I must be poor and sickly as service to God.

I don't think people have to be poor or rich or sick or healthy to give service to God. Both can do so. I don't think God requires or expects a certain financial or health status for one to be a faithful worshipper.

 

[notuptome]

Did Adam and Eve suffer before the fall?

According to your theology they must have....

You make a great leap of stupidity.

No suffering before the entrance of sin into the world. No suffering when all is made new and we are glorified together with Christ forever.

Do you pray to God for what you want or for what God wants for you?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[1still_waters]

There is a very simple solution for this.
For those who think healing depends on God's will, God's timing, etc., go on about your business.

For those who think healing is always God's will, and only depends on your ability to have faith and believe then do this..

1. Logout of CC.
2. Leave where you're at.
3. Go to the nearest hospital/nursing home, etc.
4. And do it.

Quit sitting by your computer, blowing off steam, ranting away, and pounding your theological chest.

That is doing no one any good.
Exercise that thing you claim only depends on your ability to have faith and believe.
There are lots of suffering people waiting for you.

Go.
Do.
Put some hustle to the muscle.
GIT!

Now at this point. those who claim healing only depends on faith and belief, they may shrink back from their assertion.
They may point out that everyone doesn't have the gift of healing.
They may speak about God's sovereignty, will. etc as a factor to consider.
They may speak about depending on being lead first by God.

If they do shrink back, and point to those factors, then they need to quit pounding their chest, and claiming others who believe the same factors are important are lacking faith. Cuz guess what! You're in the same group as others.

Now if you haven't shrank back, I refer you back to...

1. Logout of CC.
2. Leave where you're at.
3. Go to the nearest hospital/nursing home, etc.
4. And do it.

Quit sitting by your computer, blowing off steam, ranting away, and pounding your theological chest.

That is doing no one any good.
Exercise that thing you claim only depends on your ability to have faith and believe.
There are lots of suffering people waiting for you.

Go.
Do.
Put some hustle to the muscle.
GIT!

 

[blue_ladybug]

​YESSIRREEEE BOBBB!!!! LOL!! cute ape, stilly.. lol

 

[elf3]

i guess ladybug is the only one who understands that if God wanted or needed us healed to spread His Word He would do it. I have complete faith in God as I know ladybug does also. We also understand that because of His Sovereignty He chooses to heal some and not others. If God decides to heal me great but if not great because He can and will use me either way

Self-righteous or Poe and woe? For sure you don't know me. Let me ask you all a question. Is the glass half empty or half full? I'll give you a minute to think because most everyone will say it's one or the other.

Wanna know how I see it?

It's still something to drink.

Doesn't matter if it's half because it is still something that can be used.

 

[The_highwayman]

Allow me to make a metaphor, if I may. When Jesus on the cross, was suffering unexpressable pain and fear, God could have chosen to save him, to make the people change their minds and not crucify him after all. But he didn't. Why? Because Jesus needed to die to fulfill God's plan. Don't you think God would have loved to spare Jesus all that suffering, being stripped and whipped and beaten, having nails shoved through his flesh?!! Of course he would. But he didn't because JESUS' DEATH was part of his plan. Illness, sickness, death--it is ALL part of God's plan for us!! Of course he wants us to be healthy and whole, BUT for that to be possible, he would have had to make us perfectly and he didn't.
He allows healing to some of us, but not to others. He does not "desire us to be sickly and poor", but that's exactly what Jesus was on the cross: sickly and poor!! I think God knows what he's doing alot better than you do, and I believe he knows who's journey with him would grow closer by being healed, and whose would not.

I believe you need to really read your Bible before making comments and making metaphors that are not grounded or line up with anything other than your personal opinion and that are not backed by scripture.

Your metaphor makes no sense, because God had no control over Jesus' life or death, he placed that control in the hands of Jesus himself.

How you compare sickly and poor to the utmost sacrifice is not hard, afterall you are rooted and grounded in opinion and not the word of God.

 

[tourist]

Your statement means the Bible and what Jesus did was a lie. The Bible proves people in Nazareth were not healed because they lacked Belief, which is a lack of Faith. Everyone one else Jesus ministered to that had faith were healed.

You need to stop calling the Bible irrelvant and and Lie...

Not everyone who is not healed lacks faith as it is God's choice who to heal and when. Conversely, there are those that are healed that lack faith or do not even believe in God.

 

[blue_ladybug]

i guess ladybug is the only one who understands that if God wanted or needed us healed to spread His Word He would do it. I have complete faith in God as I know ladybug does also. We also understand that because of His Sovereignty He chooses to heal some and not others. If God decides to heal me great but if not great because He can and will use me either way

Self-righteous or Poe and woe? For sure you don't know me. Let me ask you all a question. Is the glass half empty or half full? I'll give you a minute to think because most everyone will say it's one or the other.

Wanna know how I see it?

It's still something to drink.

Doesn't matter if it's half because it is still something that can be used.

Personally, to me the glass is ALWAYS half-full, as long as there's somethin' inside the cup to drink, it's all good..lol Then again I always try to maintain a good attitude, so I see the good in any situation. Others see only what they want to see..

 

[elf3]

Personally, to me the glass is ALWAYS half-full, as long as there's somethin' inside the cup to drink, it's all good..lol Then again I always try to maintain a good attitude, so I see the good in any situation. Others see only what they want to see..

Isn't it wonderful how much God loves us!!! Just blows me away because...just WOW!!!

 

[tourist]

Allow me to make a metaphor, if I may. When Jesus on the cross, was suffering unexpressable pain and fear, God could have chosen to save him, to make the people change their minds and not crucify him after all. But he didn't. Why? Because Jesus needed to die to fulfill God's plan. Don't you think God would have loved to spare Jesus all that suffering, being stripped and whipped and beaten, having nails shoved through his flesh?!! Of course he would. But he didn't because JESUS' DEATH was part of his plan. Illness, sickness, death--it is ALL part of God's plan for us!! Of course he wants us to be healthy and whole, BUT for that to be possible, he would have had to make us perfectly and he didn't.
He allows healing to some of us, but not to others. He does not "desire us to be sickly and poor", but that's exactly what Jesus was on the cross: sickly and poor!! I think God knows what he's doing alot better than you do, and I believe he knows who's journey with him would grow closer by being healed, and whose would not.

I agree with you completely.

 

[The_highwayman]

Not everyone who is not healed lacks faith as it is God's choice who to heal and when. Conversely, there are those that are healed that lack faith or do not even believe in God.

SO with everyone else here you are stating the Bible is a Lie

 

[blue_ladybug]

I believe you need to really read your Bible before making comments and making metaphors that are not grounded or line up with anything other than your personal opinion and that are not backed by scripture.

Your metaphor makes no sense, because God had no control over Jesus' life or death, he placed that control in the hands of Jesus himself.

How you compare sickly and poor to the utmost sacrifice is not hard, afterall you are rooted and grounded in opinion and not the word of God.

Of course God had control over what happened to Jesus! After all God WAS Jesus in human form, or didn't you know that? I believe the bible tells the details of Jesus' suffering and crucifixion quite accurately. Even Jesus believed his Father had deserted him, for on the cross he cried out, "Father why hast thou deserted me"? I KNOW what my bible says..Do you?

 

[tourist]

SO with everyone else here you are stating the Bible is a Lie

No, I am saying that there are those that are not healed that have great faith and a strong belief in the Word of God.

 

[The_highwayman]

I believe you need to really read your Bible before making comments and making metaphors that are not grounded or line up with anything other than your personal opinion and that are not backed by scripture.

Your metaphor makes no sense, because God had no control over Jesus' life or death, he placed that control in the hands of Jesus himself.

How you compare sickly and poor to the utmost sacrifice is not hard, afterall you are rooted and grounded in opinion and not the word of God.

Of course God had control over what happened to Jesus! After all God WAS Jesus in human form, or didn't you know that? I believe the bible tells the details of Jesus' suffering and crucifixion quite accurately. Even Jesus believed his Father had deserted him, for on the cross he cried out, "Father why hast thou deserted me"? I KNOW what my bible says..Do you?

Jesus said,
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

The word goes on to say this about Jesus:
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Once again you err, because you are grounded in personal opinion and not in the word.

 

[1still_waters]

SO with everyone else here you are stating the Bible is a Lie

Do you believe healing only depends on our faith, and that God wants to heal all, and that the only thing preventing that is lack of faith/belief?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

i guess ladybug is the only one who understands that if God wanted or needed us healed to spread His Word He would do it. I have complete faith in God as I know ladybug does also. We also understand that because of His Sovereignty He chooses to heal some and not others. If God decides to heal me great but if not great because He can and will use me either way

Self-righteous or Poe and woe? For sure you don't know me. Let me ask you all a question. Is the glass half empty or half full? I'll give you a minute to think because most everyone will say it's one or the other.

Wanna know how I see it?

It's still something to drink.

Doesn't matter if it's half because it is still something that can be used.

I would say that according to the spirit the glass is full but according to the flesh,it would depend on where you are at,but if you have not left yet(so to speak)then you need to leave(I mean start renewing your mind to the new you in CHRIST)

 

[The_highwayman]

Do you believe healing only depends on our faith, and that God wants to heal all, and that the only thing preventing that is lack of faith/belief?

What does the Bible tell you?