Is it Necessary to do the Will of the Father to Enter Into the Kingdom of Heaven?

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ByTheGraceOfGod

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Dino246 said:
I am not going to answer your questions when you have miserably failed to answer mine.
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Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

 
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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
It is impossible for us to glorify ourselves; either we do the will of the Father or we go to Hell.
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I don't disagree. What I have tried to explain to you is the source of ability to obey. That's why I encouraged you to read the whole passage. Those Jesus is speaking to put most Christians to shame in their zeal for religious endeavor. They had prophesied, cast out demons, and done miraculous works. He doesn't send them away because they weren't pursuing the things of God. Rather, He specifically says He never knew them. Why do you suppose He answers this way?
A clue can be found in John 17:3...eternal life consists in knowing God and Christ, and not in what we do. And it is out of this spiritual reality that Christ Himself lives in us and through us.
People are free to live in their own strength. But that will only lead to failure. I've tried to help you understand that there is a life with God hidden in Christ that is far superior and satisfying than you yet know.
 
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if God tells us to give money, even though it appears like it is me giving money, it should always be viewed as God gave this person Money.

how we glorify ourselves, is by saying, i gave water to those thirsty...never including, it was first God, who gave me the idea to give water.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I don't disagree. What I have tried to explain to you is the source of ability to obey. That's why I encouraged you to read the whole passage. Those Jesus is speaking to put most Christians to shame in their zeal for religious endeavor. They had prophesied, cast out demons, and done miraculous works. He doesn't send them away because they weren't pursuing the things of God. Rather, He specifically says He never knew them. Why do you suppose He answers this way?
A clue can be found in John 17:3...eternal life consists in knowing God and Christ, and not in what we do. And it is out of this spiritual reality that Christ Himself lives in us and through us.
People are free to live in their own strength. But that will only lead to failure. I've tried to help you understand that there is a life with God hidden in Christ that is far superior and satisfying than you yet know.
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If we are doing the will of God, we are relying on God.
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
If we are doing the will of God, we are relying on God.
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I agree. But it's very possible someone only thinks they are doing the will of the Father, and are not. That's what Jesus is pointing out. And that's why you only quote one part of the passage. Otherwise, your focus would be on knowing Christ, instead of on trying to obey.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I agree. But it's very possible someone only thinks they are doing the will of the Father, and are not. That's what Jesus is pointing out. And that's why you only quote one part of the passage. Otherwise, your focus would be on knowing Christ, instead of on trying to obey.
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If someone is choosing to do the will of the Father it is because they do know and love Christ. :cool:
 
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A person who refuses to do the will of the Father, is trying to get to heaven by their own efforts.
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
If someone is choosing to do the will of the Father it is because they do know and love Christ. :cool:
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Yet it seems from the passage, people can believe they are doing the will of the Father and are not. How does someone know?
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
It is very obvious, if we are contradicting God, we are not doing the will of God. :rolleyes:
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Sure. But that isn't the extent of not doing God's will. No need to go outside the passage. There are a fair number of verses that explain God's will for us. To which of those are you referring?
 
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To do the Father's will is to believe on the Name of His Son Whom He has sent.

That has been mentioned and explained already.

When we first accept Christ as our Savior, we are justified.

By living the Christian life, we are progressively sanctified.

And in the end, we will be glorified.

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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
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Not talking about salvation here. Who during those days were saying to Him "Master master, Rabbi, Rabbi, lord, lord"? Yeah many around him would say this to Him. Taking it and trying to apply it to us today sure why not. But I have already been judged and have been saved and a citizen of heaven. When He said this what Christian was He talking to or what Church? He was talking to His own who all and Him were living following the Law.

Great wonderful so many just love this post but ask "what is doing the will of the Father"? Like asking "what is the will of God?" From those I talk to and read about among them most don't know. So.. is this saying if I that believe in trust in Yeshua according to John 3:16 do not do "His will" I won't enter in? Is that what you think He's saying?

Not about salvation.
 
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