Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?

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Eccl12and13

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When you rightly divide the Word you see that obedience to the commandments is not the 10 commandments written on stone....


As I asked before...is there something that I quoted below not biblical? If so please point it out with Book, Chapt., and verse so that it can be corrected.


It was the breaking of just one of God's laws that caused man to need to be justified, or cleared of sins, to need a redeemer, to need an advocate, to need a SAVIOR!

And what did man need to be saved from? Man needed to be saved from dying the second death, which is burning in the lake of fire. Because had Jesus not shed His blood for the sins of man, man would have had to die for his own sins. And again, it is not the natural death God's word is speaking about...it is the second death, the burning in the lake of fire death.

So....once the first man sinned the ONLY way for him to be able to have a right to the tree of life was through the shedding of Jesus blood.

So the act that caused all of this was one man transgressing one law; Sin!


After man began to populate the earth, God realized that man was not following His guidelines. Man was getting increasingly evil. Man continued to break God's laws. So much so that it grieved God that He even made man. What we have next is God finding one family that was doing His will. God found one family that was keeping His laws. To this family God gave the commandment to build an ark and to preach His words until the ark was completed. So this man preached and built the ark. For over 100 years God's word was preached to mankind. Mankind did not listen. God sealed the man and the animals into the ark. And God destroyed every air breaking being upon the earth.

And what was the act that caused God to kill every air breathing being upon the face of the earth? The transgressing of His laws; Sin!



After man started to repopulate the earth again, the same thing started happen. Man continued to break God's laws and commandments. This time it was again to the point that God was willing to kill ALL of mankind and start over with one of His servants. But the servant of the Lord asked that God take his life and spare mankind. At this point God did not want to continue destroying His creation so He gave man a set of laws that would allow their lives to be spared. The set of laws that were given were done so because mankind continued to break God's laws and commandments. This law was ADDED to God's already existing laws. This law that was added because of transgressions would allow the blood of bulls and goats to take the place of mans blood. This law that was added was only to be around for a short time. This law that substituted animals blood for mans blood was to give man hope. It was to be their schoolmaster until another that would come shed His blood for ALL of mankind.

And again, the act that caused God to add a set of laws to His already existing laws was transgression; Sin!


Now that God set up His added law.....the only thing man had to do was to have faith in the one that would come. When He arrived there would be no need to kill bulls and goats for the remission of sins. When He arrived the set of laws that was added would cease. When He arrived the mankind would no longer need a schoolmaster, for that set of laws (the schoolmaster) would end at the cross.


And so mankind waited for the one that would put an end to the law that was added because of transgression; or Sin!


And now that the one has arrived and gave us His grace, ending the need for the laws of the killing of bulls and goats, do we continue to transgress God's OTHER laws? The OTHER laws being the ones that mankind continued to break thus needing the laws of animal sacrifice.


This brings us back to the beginning; Do we continue to break laws that caused man to need to be justified, or cleared of sins, to need a redeemer, to need an advocate, to need a SAVIOR!


Do we?


It was the breaking of God's laws that caused man to be denied the right to the tree of life...thus needing a savior.

Let's now read just 2 scriptures. The first tells man what actions, if committed, will NOT allow him to enter into God's kingdom;


Rev.22
[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Those that commit the above acts are sinners.


Now let's read what God's word tell us will ALLOW man into God's kingdom;

Rev.22
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Again.....can you point to anything above that is not biblical? If so I have no problem with correction. I only ask that you do as God's word tell us....correct with the word of God....


"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Tim.3:16



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Eccl12and13

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When you rightly divide the Word you see that obedience to the commandments is not the 10 commandments written on stone..... When Paul states he was dead to the Law and alive in Christ He was talking about the 10 commandments (which is the letter).

Ok...maybe you can explain. What commandments are they that you believe Paul was dead to? And what is your understanding of 'being dead to the law'?

Did not Paul do his best to keep God's laws and commandments? Let's read some of the writings of Paul...

Rom.7
[7] What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Now let's read one of the laws written on stone....

Exod.20
[17] Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.


Are these not the same laws? Is it your understanding that Paul was dead to God's law of "Do not covet"

If so....just how was Paul dead to this law?


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Eccl12and13

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When you rightly divide the Word you see.....

Ok....let's do just that. Let's go again to the word of God....

Gal.3
[19] Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.


A few posts back I mentioned that Paul speaks of (2) sets of laws in his writings. And above we read Paul telling us of a law that was ADDED! And this law that was ADDED was done so because of transgressions.

And what does it mean to transgress? Let's read...

1 John 3
[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


Now that we know to transgress means to sin...let's go back to the verse above.....


"Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator."

So what Paul is telling us is that God ADDED a law BECAUSE His OTHER laws were being broken. So how many sets of laws do we have here?

We have the laws that was ADDED and the laws that were being broken, or transgressed.

So how do we know which laws are which when reading Paul's writings? How do we know if he is speaking about the laws that were ADDED or the laws that were being transgressed?

Let's read more about this law that was ADDED....

[24] Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


So whatever law it was that God ADDED, it was not to be around forever. The scriptures tell us that when Jesus came this law that was ADDED would no longer be needed. And if it is no longer needed then there would be no need for anyone to teach it.

But what do we find Paul doing throughout his writings? Teaching others to keep God's commandments. Now why would Paul teach others to keep a commandment that was to cease with the coming of Christ?


Do you know which law that was ADDED because of transgressions/sin?


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hermanodaniel

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What commandments are they that you believe Paul was dead to? The law in the form of the letter. Galatians 2:19; Romans 6-8
And what is your understanding of 'being dead to the law'? The Law exposes sin and condemns you to death. We are united in Christ's death and resurrection Romans 6:5 our flesh which was condemned is now to be counted dead but in Christ our Spirit lives. In the spirit one bears fruit unto God and there is no law Galatians 5:22-23 since that is person is not alive in the FLESH (Galatians 519-21) to sin. Granted, we must die daily by carrying our cross. The more we die to self the more Christ lives in us.

Did not Paul do his best to keep God's laws and commandments? Nope that's not biblical since trying your best is solely an act of the flesh an opportunity for pride to manifest giving glory to self and not God. NO WHERE WILL YOU FIND A "DO YOUR BEST TO KEEP GOD'S COMMANDS IN THE FLESH"
 
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hermanodaniel

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Ok....let's do just that. Let's go again to the word of God....

Gal.3
[19] Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.


A few posts back I mentioned that Paul speaks of (2) sets of laws in his writings. And above we read Paul telling us of a law that was ADDED! And this law that was ADDED was done so because of transgressions.

And what does it mean to transgress? Let's read...

1 John 3
[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


Now that we know to transgress means to sin...let's go back to the verse above.....


"Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator."

So what Paul is telling us is that God ADDED a law BECAUSE His OTHER laws were being broken. So how many sets of laws do we have here?

We have the laws that was ADDED and the laws that were being broken, or transgressed.

So how do we know which laws are which when reading Paul's writings? How do we know if he is speaking about the laws that were ADDED or the laws that were being transgressed?

Let's read more about this law that was ADDED....

[24] Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


So whatever law it was that God ADDED, it was not to be around forever. The scriptures tell us that when Jesus came this law that was ADDED would no longer be needed. And if it is no longer needed then there would be no need for anyone to teach it.

But what do we find Paul doing throughout his writings? Teaching others to keep God's commandments. Now why would Paul teach others to keep a commandment that was to cease with the coming of Christ?


Do you know which law that was ADDED because of transgressions/sin?


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You are taken this verse out of context "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator."

YOU SAID:
So what Paul is telling us is that God ADDED a law BECAUSE His OTHER laws were being broken. So how many sets of laws do we have here? <<<< NO WRONG because the Law in the letter was added AFTER THE PROMISE to Abraham which was a type of Christ! That's what this verse is saying again don't reinterpret Paul and take verses out of context.
 
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Sonofjesuschrist

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Dont worry Brother, I ain't trying to bring confussion in to Ur faith if you feel the sabbath is not in the laws of god no more I feel you follow Ur faith.
I personally follow Jesus not Paul, I really like paul but the book of paul when you readit in context falls in place with the message.
For nonody could keep the laws perfect, so AMEN for the blood of jesus that Saved us, How ever we that are true believers in christ has to show thru action. are we in agreement,
My loving Brethren.
 
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Eccl12and13

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Did not Paul do his best to keep God's laws and commandments? Nope that's not biblical since trying your best is solely an act of the flesh an opportunity for pride to manifest giving glory to self and not God.
So are you claiming that when Paul read the laws of God he didn't try to do his best to keep them?

When Paul read the it was a sin to covet, do you not think he did his best NOT to covet?

When Paul read that it was a sin to commit adultery, do you not think he did his best NOT to commit adultery?


Do you do your best not to look upon a woman in the wrong way?

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Eccl12and13

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You are taken this verse out of context "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator."

YOU SAID:
So what Paul is telling us is that God ADDED a law BECAUSE His OTHER laws were being broken. So how many sets of laws do we have here? <<<< NO WRONG because the Law in the letter was added AFTER THE PROMISE to Abraham which was a type of Christ! That's what this verse is saying again don't reinterpret Paul and take verses out of context.

Ok....what was the law that was added. And why did God have to ADD a law?


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hermanodaniel

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Dont worry Brother, I ain't trying to bring confussion in to Ur faith if you feel the sabbath is not in the laws of god no more I feel you follow Ur faith.
I personally follow Jesus not Paul, I really like paul but the book of paul when you readit in context falls in place with the message.
For nonody could keep the laws perfect, so AMEN for the blood of jesus that Saved us, How ever we that are true believers in christ has to show thru action. are we in agreement,
My loving Brethren.
It's not that the Sabbath is done away not being in the laws no more but rather it is fulfilled in Christ because the Sabbath is not simply a physical day of rest it's eternal thus out of time >>> meaning how can it then be solely a physical day of rest? it's not because it's referring to the rest we have in Jesus our eternal salvation.

As for following Jesus over Paul that in reality doesn't make sense since the Written Word of God (all 66 books) point to the Living Word of God (Jesus Christ) and vice versa. Paul's writings are not actually Paul's writings there the very words of God. Paul was revealed the mystery of the Gospel (Colossians 1 and Ephesians 3) and he was the chosen instrument by God to expound the mysteries of the Gospel.
 
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Sonofjesuschrist

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Brother, I am not here to fight bro,
You do what you will, and I will do what I will.
But dont say Ur right and I am wrong.
Gods laws well never pass.
Moses laws are done.
How ever you do have to keep gods laws Brethren.
 
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hermanodaniel

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So are you claiming that when Paul read the laws of God he didn't try to do his best to keep them?

When Paul read the it was a sin to covet, do you not think he did his best NOT to covet?

When Paul read that it was a sin to commit adultery, do you not think he did his best NOT to commit adultery?


Do you do your best not to look upon a woman in the wrong way?

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Nope he died to the do's and don'ts giving up trying in the flesh that God may transformed him into the image of His Son. Same thing today I obey God not by trying my best but by dying to what once bound me as a slave I am free IN CHRIST to not look or covet. DAILY I MUST BE TRUTHFUL WITH GOD WORSHIPPING IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH
 
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Sonofjesuschrist

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Funny thing is you Brothers keep saying paul said this but not ones have I heard you guys say Jesus said if love me keep my commandments.
if you dont keep my commandment you dont know me and the truth is not in you and Ur a liar.
 
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Sonofjesuschrist

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And thats all new testament.
 
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hermanodaniel

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Funny thing is you Brothers keep saying paul said this but not ones have I heard you guys say Jesus said if love me keep my commandments.
if you dont keep my commandment you dont know me and the truth is not in you and Ur a liar.
I guess it's clear to say you have NOT read my prior posts. I've explained that over and over
 
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Sonofjesuschrist

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So Ur saying they are still around (right).
So ones they expose sin and you break one what happens.
so what happens when you commit a sin that goes against gods commandments??
 
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hermanodaniel

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Many accuse born again Christians and some go even as far as accusing Paul of doing away with the Law when in reality it&#8217;s not the Law that is abolished its the old man in the flesh to whom the Law applies that is dead.

How can some one worship in spirit and truth yet be alive to the letter of the law in the flesh (sinful nature)? Romans 7 states that this is spiritual adultery&#8230; You can&#8217;t be alive in the flesh and state you are in the truth in the spirit. If the the new covenant states the law is now written in our hearts then that means that we should understand the true intention behind the letter. The true intents are in the spirit. The Law written in our hearts is not the one written on tablets of stone that is to say the letter of the Law. The Law written in our hearts is the Law of Christ. John 13:34-35 In order to walk in the spirit one must first acknowledge they have sinned against the letter of the law thus resulting in death because the wages of sin is death. No one can say they haven&#8217;t sinned because 1 John 1:8-10 states those who state they don&#8217;t are liars and therefore have no room in their hearts for the truth. We know that sin is trangression against the law so when we read 1 John 1:8-10 we see that no one can keep the law.

BUT if we trust in Christ we are united in His death and His resurrection and are imputed His righteousness. Now if we trust in Christ and are united in His death and resurrection we are born again regenerated in the spirit to see the kingdom of God which is in His Word. Thus we see for instance that the sabbath rest is eternal because we rest daily in Christ. This truth is of the spirit but the letter will keep pointing you to the physical rest. Anyone who focuses on the letter of the law when the new covenant states its in our hearts (through Christ) is in the flesh and will be dominated by it since they will always stumble at one and thus break them all.

This is why Paul states who would deliver him from his wretched body thanks be to the Lord Jesus. He can delight in God&#8217;s Law after the inward man which is in the spirit meaning his flesh is dead which means that he is united in Christ death as a result of acknowledging that he has sinned against the law and was in need of a redeemer. We are to die daily carrying our cross and guess what? The true intents of the commandments are revealed because when we shine for Christ (walking in the spirit and love of Christ) we are pointing people to the one true God, we are not placing idols in front of God because we have crucified self and its passions, we are not taking the Lord&#8217;s name in vain because we are proclaiming it through the Gospel by acts of love and action, we are not breaking His Sabbath or defiling it because we are reaching to those who are lost in need of rest and forgiveness, we are honoring our parents in love, we are not murdering anyone with our thoughts since we walking in love, we are not stealing, we are not bearing false witness but the truth and we are not coveting anybody&#8217;s possession because those who are won over for Christ are our joy, glory and crown in the presence of Jesus Christ!!! HalleluYah

In order to be at the same page you have to stop trying reinterpret what Paul is saying because He&#8217;s quite clear in His epistles once you diligently compare what He is saying especially in Galatians and Romans. Everything goes together perfectly without compromising anything thus evidence that He was inspired by God.

The Law of Moses (the letter) applies to the old man to which should be dead to sin and the new man serves after the newness of spirit (Romans 7:6) When one abides in Christ they put on this new man which serves God in Spirit and in Truth. If one is walking in the spirit and living after the spirit they will not gratify the flesh and its passions which is the old man that is condemned by the letter of the law. Do we stumble at times yes sometimes glimpses of our old man shows its ugly head for example: pride, our tongue lashes out something it shouldn't have, adulterous thoughts, strife and contention with others etc. Now to worship in spirit and in truth means that we cannot serve God after the flesh because since the flesh is subject to the letter of the law and falls short it can never please God as Paul states in Romans 8. The flesh will always seek to glorify self and this is it&#8217;s very nature. Despite the flesh (the old man) sinning against the law in pride it is prone at times to state I have not sinned or in pride it points to partial obedience as being obedient when partial obedience is the same as disobedience.

To worship in truth is to acknowledge we have sinned against the letter and since we have trusted in Christ we are made a new creation now this is the new man that always seeks to Glorify Christ. It will never point to self-righteousness but to Christ and His finish work. Now the new man begins to sees the Word of God in it&#8217;s true form sort of speak which is in the spirit. The Scriptures are then opened up to the new man (1 Corinthians 2) and the deep things of God are revealed like the Law of Christ and how the Law of Moses has a richer meaning other than it&#8217;s literal meaning. Thus why Nicodemus could not understand how Jesus&#8217; speaking spiritual words was stating we are to be born again when Nicodemus only understood this in a literal way.

We are to keep Christ&#8217;s words because He kept his Father&#8217;s John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father&#8217;s commandments, and abide in his love.
Notice here Jesus says MY commands and goes on to say as HE has kept His Father&#8217;s.
He was perfect in the flesh who can claim such perfection? No one. Are we God in the flesh? Nope God shares His glory with no one.

The Father gave Jesus the words (the Law of Christ) to command us to obey. We obey his words in the spirit when we are dead to the flesh acknowledging we fall short and failed at keeping the law (10 commandments) in the flesh yet trusting in Christ&#8217;s redemption being born again to live after the spirit. Jesus obeyed His Father&#8217;s in the flesh because He was perfect. Can anyone tame their sinful nature to keep the law of Moses? Scriptures states you can&#8217;t 1 John 1:8-10 (Sin is transgressing the law) Hence why we are made righteous in Christ and not in ourselves. Now many will say but that gives you a license to sin! Nope because if we don&#8217;t keep Jesus&#8217; words (the Law of Christ) to love one another sacrificially in the spirit we are not of Christ nor of the Father&#8217;s. But what about the sabbath? The true intents of the sabbath are in the spirit and thus why its eternal. Can you seriously think that we are going to rest eternally only one day of the week when eternity has no time? No, because the truth is we now rest daily in Christ in the spirit and preaching the Gospel to reach others who are tired and lost in their sins that they may enter the rest God intended and oh how glorious is that rest! Matthew 11:28-30 Isaiah 11:10

God wants to enlarge our hearts (Psalm 119:32). The love of God has been poured out in our hearts but it still requires that we ask God to enlarge our hearts daily since we are constantly battling with our flesh. We know that Love is the fulfillment of the law and Paul was a prime example of how God enlarged his heart throughout his ministry and how God also longs to enlarge ours as well. (Philippians 1:7, 2 Corinthians 6:1-13; 11:24-28) We are knitted together in love (Colossians 2:2) just as David and Jonathan were knitted or united together in love so should the Body of Christ be in the same way. We are each others joy, crown and glory (1 Thessalonians 2:19-20). We live to see others firm in Christ! (1 Thessalonians 3:8) Christ gave us the Law of Christ John 13:34-35 and John 15:12. We are to love as HE LOVED us which was a sacrificial love. Jesus said "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13 There are many that have literally laid down their lives for others for the sake of the Gospel mostly in 3rd world countries but prior to that ultimate act of love they were already dying to self/flesh carrying their cross and loving others despite being insulted by them, taken advantaged of, beaten on etc. yet winning some of them over for the sake of the Gospel. Again "Jesus said Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." We do just that when we abide in Christ and live and walk after the spirit. Choosing to love the unlovable, the homeless, the poor, the sick, those imprisoned etc. This is done by walking as Jesus walked which was spirit not flesh. "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." John 13:35

Notice that Christ states a new commandment that on the surface seems to be the same as Leviticus 19:18 which is Love your neighbor as yourself BUT actually it's not because Jesus states "Love others as I HAVE LOVED YOU" thus a sacrificial love that requires death to the flesh. This is the LAW OF CHRIST now written in our hearts if we are born again in the spirit of God.

The Torah exposes sin for what it is and you need to be counted dead to sin that Christ may live in you otherwise your flesh will have dominion over you as it is provoked by the Torah in your members. Those in the flesh cannot please God but if you are dead to sin opposed to being dead IN sin, you are then abiding in the new creation that God has created through His Son&#8217;s sacrifice and resurrection which is Christ in you the hope of Glory! A regenerated spirit is one with Christ and in order for that transformation to manifest outwardly one must die daily to me, myself and I that Christ may be the center bearing fruit to the glory of God. Upholding the Torah and not making it void does not mean that we can now keep it in our flesh. It means that inwardly we are to recognize that we have transgress it and instead of excusing ourselves or justifying sin we are acknowledging our sin and thus bringing death to our flesh as a result but living in the spirit because Christ lives in us.
John 4:24 is exactly that when taken into context and compared with Psalm 51:6, Job 38:36, Jeremiah 31:22 (Rightly diving the Word). Just as Jesus revealed to the Samaritan woman her sins and she truthfully responded in saying she had no husband she was demonstrating what the Father was desiring from us. The Father desire that upon our sins being exposed that we truthfully speak what we are harboring in our inward parts which is sin which is transgression against the Torah. Partial obedience is not what the Father wants because compare what happened to Saul in 1 Samuel 15 he was rejected! We will never obey in our FLESH the Torah because it provokes our flesh to sin. If a little yeast works through the whole dough what do you think a little sin would do? Could you imagine our thoughts on display for everyone to see? It would expose anyone and everyone. To worship in spirit and in truth is to willingly admit and acknowledge our sin and the wages of sin is death to our flesh but in Christ it doesn&#8217;t have to mean death to our spirit as well. Why? Because Christ lives in us and we are united in spirit with the Author of Life.


Since we are made one with Christ all the realities and promises of God are now ours. Thus we can finally rest having peace with God. For some reason alot people call that lawlessness but that is quite the contrary since those who are made new in Christ cannot rush into sin. It&#8217;s silly to say why are you not walking in the shadows of Christ (according to the Torah that applies to the Flesh) when we are walking in Christ which means we are walking upholding the Torah truthfully in our hearts.
 
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Sonofjesuschrist

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Look Brethren I do but when they start putting scripture, I kind of shine it off.
I like to hear what they have to say I have my bible also. I dont need scripture.
Look Brethren the best advise for you and for me and anybody else reading this,
Lets all humble our selfs, And read the hole entire bible First. And understand that if jesus inspired the entire bible which I fully believe 100 persent.
God will never I mean never contridict him self. and here we are saying paul said , jesus said that. no agreement.
I know we are wrong, and all the bible is Right.
In love Brethren.
 
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hermanodaniel

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Look Brethren I do but when they start putting scripture, I kind of shine it off.
I like to hear what they have to say I have my bible also. I dont need scripture.
Look Brethren the best advise for you and for me and anybody else reading this,
Lets all humble our selfs, And read the hole entire bible First. And understand that if jesus inspired the entire bible which I fully believe 100 persent.
God will never I mean never contridict him self. and here we are saying paul said , jesus said that. no agreement.
I know we are wrong, and all the bible is Right.
In love Brethren.
I understand where you coming from but you must also realize that it is God who gives understanding and I am not one to say I know it all but I can't also say I have receive nothing from the Lord. So with that I say that God is able to teach us through others I am not here to point to myself and glorify self but what I am saying is sound doctrine that ultimately glorifies Christ not man. The simplicity of the Gospel must be preached! Those who practice heresy are in the flesh and will not inherit the Kingdom. I don't point fingers I point to the Scriptures that states to analyze oneself before God. Are we giving God the Glory? Are we holding unto an inch of self-glorification? I pray we carry our cross and count ourselves dead that no flesh may glorify itself before God because no flesh ever will.
 
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Eccl12and13

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THE 10 COMMANDMENTS TO EXPOSE WHAT SIN IS!

The 10 commandments were added to what laws? God's 10 commandments have been around from day 1.

Gen. 4
[6] And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
[7] If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Notice what God said ‘lieth at the door’ for Cain….SIN! And sin is to break Gods law. And did Cain sin?

[8] And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
Now do we have any record telling us this law was written down? No! But yet Cain still knew it was wrong. How? God told him so. That is how everybody knew what was wrong and what was right. If it wasn’t written down it HAD to be passed by word of mouth. God spoke to His children and they, in turn, told the rest of mankind.

So we have MURDER BEFORE MOSES! Exod. 20 [13]Thou shalt not kill. Let’s read more.


Gen. 12
[13] Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
[17] And the LORD plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai Abram's wife.
[18] And Pharaoh called Abram, and said, What is this that thou hast done unto me? why didst thou not tell me that she was thy wife?
[19] Why saidst thou, She is my sister? so I might have taken her to me to wife: now therefore behold thy wife, take her, and go thy way.

Now how did the Pharaoh know this was wrong? Was it written or did somebody tell him? Either way, the fact remains that he KNEW!

So we have ADULTERY BEFORE MOSES! Exod. 20 [14] Thou shalt not commit adultery.


Gen. 30
[31] And he said, What shall I give thee? And Jacob said, Thou shalt not give me any thing: if thou wilt do this thing for me, I will again feed and keep thy flock:
[32] I will pass through all thy flock to day, removing from thence all the speckled and spotted cattle, and all the brown cattle among the sheep, and the spotted and speckled among the goats: and of such shall be my hire.
[33] So shall my righteousness answer for me in time to come, when it shall come for my hire before thy face: every one that is not speckled and spotted among the goats, and brown among the sheep, that shall be counted stolen with me.

So we have STEALING BEFORE MOSES! Exod. 20 [15] Thou shalt not steal.

Josh. 24 [2] And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods.
Notice when they served ‘other gods’. It was on the ‘other side of the flood’!

So we have IDOLATRY BEFORE MOSES! Exod. 20 [3] Thou shalt have no other gods ` before me.


Exod.16
[23] And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
[25] And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
[26] Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
[29] See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

So we have God's Sabbath being observed BEFORE they were written in stone.

Gen.13
[13] But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.
Gen.18
[20] And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
Gen.19
[5] And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
[7] And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
[8] Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

So we have the sin of Sodomy BEFORE Moses.


ALL of God's laws were in effect BEFORE He gave them to Moses on a stone. All except for the set of laws that He ADDED!


God had to ADD a set of laws to keep mankind in hope and to prevent Him from destroying His creation; man. God ADDED this set of laws because man continued to break the laws that were already in place.


Again.....do you know the set of Laws that were ADDED?



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