Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?

[marianna]

"Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?"

Now this is a very simple question, that if thought about logically, has an answer that is just as simple.

So again I ask...."Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?

"Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death." - John 8:51

and you have not come to know Him, but I know Him; and if I say that I do not know Him, I will be a liar like you, but I do know Him and keep His word. - John 8:55

By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. - 1 John 2:3

"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. - John 14:15

Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. - John 14:23

"If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. - John 15:10

Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. - Revelation 14:12

KEEP

Strong's Number: 5083
Original Word Word Origin

tereo from teros (a watch, perhaps akin to (2334))

Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Tereo 8:140,1174
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
tay-reh'-o Verb

Definition
to attend to carefully, take care of
to guard
metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is
to observe
to reserve: to undergo something

NAS Word Usage - Total: 71
continue 1, guard 1, guards 1, heed 2, heeds 1, held in custody 1, keep 27, keep watch over 1, keeping 1, keeping guard over 1, keeps 9, kept 12, kept in custody 3, observe 3, preserve 1, preserved 1, reserved 4, watching over 1

possibly from:

Strong's Number: 2334
Original Word Word Origin

qeoreo from a derivative of (2300) (perhaps by add. of (3708))

Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Theoreo 5:315,706
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
theh-o-reh'-o Verb

Definition
to be a spectator, look at, behold
to view attentively, take a view of, survey
to view mentally, consider
to see
to perceive with the eyes, to enjoy the presence of one
to discern, descry
to ascertain, find out by seeing

NAS Word Usage - Total: 53
beholds 1, look 1, looking 5, observe 3, observed 4, observing 3, perceive 2, saw 8, see 16, seeing 2, seen 1, sees 4, watched 1, watching 2




Jude 1
Keep Yourselves in the Love of God

17But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, 18that they were saying to you, “In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.” 19These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit. 20But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life. 22And have mercy on some, who are doubting; 23save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh.

24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, 25to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.


KEEP

Strong's Number: 5083
Original Word Word Origin

tereo from teros (a watch, perhaps akin to (2334))

Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Tereo 8:140,1174
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
tay-reh'-o Verb

Definition
to attend to carefully, take care of
to guard
metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is
to observe
to reserve: to undergo something

NAS Word Usage - Total: 71
continue 1, guard 1, guards 1, heed 2, heeds 1, held in custody 1, keep 27, keep watch over 1, keeping 1, keeping guard over 1, keeps 9, kept 12, kept in custody 3, observe 3, preserve 1, preserved 1, reserved 4, watching over 1

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24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, 25to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

histémi: to make to stand, to stand

Strong's Number: 2476
Original Word Word Origin
istemi a prolonged form of a primary stao {stah'-o} (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Histemi 7:638,1082
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
his'-tay-mee Verb

Definition
to cause or make to stand, to place, put, set
to bid to stand by, [set up]
in the presence of others, in the midst, before judges, before members of the Sanhedrin;
to place
to make firm, fix establish
to cause a person or a thing to keep his or its place
to stand, be kept intact (of family, a kingdom), to escape in safety
to establish a thing, cause it to stand 1b
to uphold or sustain the authority or force of anything
to set or place in a balance
to weigh: money to one (because in very early times before the introduction of coinage, the metals used to be weighed)
to stand
to stand by or near
to stop, stand still, to stand immovable, stand firm 2a
of the foundation of a building
to stand
continue safe and sound, stand unharmed, to stand ready or prepared
to be of a steadfast mind
of quality, one who does not hesitate, does not waiver

NAS Word Usage - Total: 152
brought 1, bystanders 1, bystanders* 1, came 1, came to a halt 1, come 1, confirmed 2, establish 3, fixed 1, hold 1, lying 1, make...stand 2, placed 1, put 1, put forward 2, set 4, stand 27, stand firm 4, standing 53, standing firm 1, stands 6, stood 27, stood still 1, stood upright 1, stop 1, stopped 5, taking his stand 1, weighed 1



I do not understand why some have such a low view of what The LORD planned to do, is capable of doing, has done, and will do. Perhaps they have not KEPT His commandments and His words, perhaps they have not hidden them in their hearts and guarded them, treasuring them for what they are. PROMISES.

Where is our faith in Him? Where is it?
I find this so hurtful. Where is our joy? Where is our Awe and Praise for HIM?

He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. - 1 Corinthians 5:21


And have mercy on some, who are doubting - Jude 1:22

 

[Eccl12and13]

AGAIN YOU ARE TAKING THIS PASSAGE OUT OF CONTEXT GOD ADDED THE 10 COMMANDMENTS AFTER THE PROMISE THERE IS NOT ANOTHER LAW THAT WAS ADDED HERE

How can you claim that God added the 10 commandments AFTER the promise when ALL of God's moral laws were in effect since the beginning?

Let's read again some of the laws of the 10 commandments BEFORE there was even a nation of Israel;


Gen. 4
[6] And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
[7] If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Notice what God said ‘lieth at the door’ for Cain….SIN! And sin is to break Gods law. And did Cain sin?

[8] And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
Now do we have any record telling us this law was written down? No! But yet Cain still knew it was wrong. How? God told him so. That is how everybody knew what was wrong and what was right. If it wasn’t written down it HAD to be passed by word of mouth. God spoke to His children and they, in turn, told the rest of mankind.

So we have MURDER BEFORE MOSES! Exod. 20 [13]Thou shalt not kill. Let’s read more.

It was a sin to kill WAY before there was an Israelite born. How could this have been the law that was ADDED when it was already enforced by God on Cain?



Gen. 30
[31] And he said, What shall I give thee? And Jacob said, Thou shalt not give me any thing: if thou wilt do this thing for me, I will again feed and keep thy flock:
[32] I will pass through all thy flock to day, removing from thence all the speckled and spotted cattle, and all the brown cattle among the sheep, and the spotted and speckled among the goats: and of such shall be my hire.
[33] So shall my righteousness answer for me in time to come, when it shall come for my hire before thy face: every one that is not speckled and spotted among the goats, and brown among the sheep, that shall be counted stolen with me.

So we have STEALING BEFORE MOSES! Exod. 20 [15] Thou shalt not steal.


Stealing was a SIN. It has ALWAYS been a sin. This law was enforced by God BEFORE Moses. This law was NOT ADDED after the promises were made. Stealing was a sin since the beginning. How could this law be the one that was ADDED AFTER the promise was made?




Josh. 24 [2] And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods.
Notice when they served ‘other gods’. It was on the ‘other side of the flood’!

So we have IDOLATRY BEFORE MOSES! Exod. 20 [3] Thou shalt have no other gods ` before me.

Here was have ANOTHER law of the 10 commandments that was enforced by God BEFORE the flood. This law was NOT added after the promises were made...this law was broken by man BEFORE the flood.


Gen. 12 [13] Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
[[17] And the LORD plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai Abram's wife.
[18] And Pharaoh called Abram, and said, What is this that thou hast done unto me? why didst thou not tell me that she was thy wife?
[19] Why saidst thou, She is my sister? so I might have taken her to me to wife: now therefore behold thy wife, take her, and go thy way.

LYING BEFORE MOSES!


Lev. 18: [21] And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
[27] (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled

PROFANING GODS NAME BEFORE MOSES!



You keep telling me I am taking things out of context when I have just provided scriptures of PROVING just the opposite.

YOU claim that it was the 10 commandments that was added after the promise.

God's word shows that His laws and commandments were around, known AND enforced BEFORE the promises were made.


Do you honestly believe that KILLING, LYING, STEALING, PROFANING GOD'S NAME, ADULTERY, IDOLATRY, and ALL of God's 10 commandments were not around until they were ADDED after the promise?


Do you honestly believe that ANY of the other laws that were given to Moses were NOT around and kept UNTIL God gave them to Moses?


The nation of Israel were ENSLAVED for over 400 years. What god's do you think they worshiped after being slaves for over 400 years? What foods do you think they eat after being slaves for over 400 years? What laws do you think they FORGOT after being slaves for over 400 years?

The slave trade lasted for over 300 years to the Americas...how much of the peoples heritage do you think was lost at the end? They knew, practiced nor remembered NONE of their old ways.


Here is an example....


Who taught slaves about God once they were brought to the Americas?

Where did slaves learn how to hold their church services once brought to the Americas?

Where did slaves learn how to preach once brought to the Americas?


They learned first from watching through a hole of the church, then from the back of the church until finally they were given an old shack to hold their own service.



Now let's go back to the Nation of Israel...again.....just how much do you believe they held over after being captive for over 400 years? Let's just look at what they did AFTER being released from Egypt;


Exod.32
[1] And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
[2] And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.


Just look at what the people went back to doing AFTER being delivered by God!


God had to re-teach His people His laws and commandments all over again. His laws had been around and kept every since there was man. Why do you think God brought the flood? Why did He destroy Sodom? Man kept breaking His laws?


And because of this God had to ADD another set of laws!


Again.....do you know the laws that was ADDED?



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[Eccl12and13]

THE 10 COMMANDMENTS TO EXPOSE WHAT SIN IS!

Above you claim it was the 10 commandments that were added to expose what sin is!


Did not God tell man what sin was from the beginning? God told Cain it was a sin to kill. God brought the flood because of the sins of man. God destroyed 2 cities and the surrounding suburbs because of their disobedience.

So you believe that God WAITED until Moses to expose sin?


Readers.....does that make any sense?


God's word tells us that He ADDED a set of laws BECAUSE of transgressions, NOT to expose transgressions!


Do you know what set of laws God added BECAUSE of transgressions?


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[hermanodaniel]

How can you claim that God added the 10 commandments AFTER the promise when ALL of God's moral laws were in effect since the beginning?

Let's read again some of the laws of the 10 commandments BEFORE there was even a nation of Israel;


Gen. 4
[6] And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
[7] If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Notice what God said ‘lieth at the door’ for Cain….SIN! And sin is to break Gods law. And did Cain sin?

[8] And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
Now do we have any record telling us this law was written down? No! But yet Cain still knew it was wrong. How? God told him so. That is how everybody knew what was wrong and what was right. If it wasn’t written down it HAD to be passed by word of mouth. God spoke to His children and they, in turn, told the rest of mankind.

So we have MURDER BEFORE MOSES! Exod. 20 [13]Thou shalt not kill. Let’s read more.

It was a sin to kill WAY before there was an Israelite born. How could this have been the law that was ADDED when it was already enforced by God on Cain?



Gen. 30
[31] And he said, What shall I give thee? And Jacob said, Thou shalt not give me any thing: if thou wilt do this thing for me, I will again feed and keep thy flock:
[32] I will pass through all thy flock to day, removing from thence all the speckled and spotted cattle, and all the brown cattle among the sheep, and the spotted and speckled among the goats: and of such shall be my hire.
[33] So shall my righteousness answer for me in time to come, when it shall come for my hire before thy face: every one that is not speckled and spotted among the goats, and brown among the sheep, that shall be counted stolen with me.

So we have STEALING BEFORE MOSES! Exod. 20 [15] Thou shalt not steal.


Stealing was a SIN. It has ALWAYS been a sin. This law was enforced by God BEFORE Moses. This law was NOT ADDED after the promises were made. Stealing was a sin since the beginning. How could this law be the one that was ADDED AFTER the promise was made?




Josh. 24 [2] And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods.
Notice when they served ‘other gods’. It was on the ‘other side of the flood’!

So we have IDOLATRY BEFORE MOSES! Exod. 20 [3] Thou shalt have no other gods ` before me.

Here was have ANOTHER law of the 10 commandments that was enforced by God BEFORE the flood. This law was NOT added after the promises were made...this law was broken by man BEFORE the flood.


Gen. 12 [13] Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
[[17] And the LORD plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai Abram's wife.
[18] And Pharaoh called Abram, and said, What is this that thou hast done unto me? why didst thou not tell me that she was thy wife?
[19] Why saidst thou, She is my sister? so I might have taken her to me to wife: now therefore behold thy wife, take her, and go thy way.

LYING BEFORE MOSES!


Lev. 18: [21] And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
[27] (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled

PROFANING GODS NAME BEFORE MOSES!



You keep telling me I am taking things out of context when I have just provided scriptures of PROVING just the opposite.

YOU claim that it was the 10 commandments that was added after the promise.

God's word shows that His laws and commandments were around, known AND enforced BEFORE the promises were made.


Do you honestly believe that KILLING, LYING, STEALING, PROFANING GOD'S NAME, ADULTERY, IDOLATRY, and ALL of God's 10 commandments were not around until they were ADDED after the promise?


Do you honestly believe that ANY of the other laws that were given to Moses were NOT around and kept UNTIL God gave them to Moses?


The nation of Israel were ENSLAVED for over 400 years. What god's do you think they worshiped after being slaves for over 400 years? What foods do you think they eat after being slaves for over 400 years? What laws do you think they FORGOT after being slaves for over 400 years?

The slave trade lasted for over 300 years to the Americas...how much of the peoples heritage do you think was lost at the end? They knew, practiced nor remembered NONE of their old ways.


Here is an example....


Who taught slaves about God once they were brought to the Americas?

Where did slaves learn how to hold their church services once brought to the Americas?

Where did slaves learn how to preach once brought to the Americas?


They learned first from watching through a hole of the church, then from the back of the church until finally they were given an old shack to hold their own service.



Now let's go back to the Nation of Israel...again.....just how much do you believe they held over after being captive for over 400 years? Let's just look at what they did AFTER being released from Egypt;


Exod.32
[1] And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
[2] And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden earrings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me.


Just look at what the people went back to doing AFTER being delivered by God!


God had to re-teach His people His laws and commandments all over again. His laws had been around and kept every since there was man. Why do you think God brought the flood? Why did He destroy Sodom? Man kept breaking His laws?


And because of this God had to ADD another set of laws!


Again.....do you know the laws that was ADDED?



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Of course Psalm 19 answers that as creation itself testifies of God what you are failing to realize is that you are saying there are another set of laws added when there are no other laws added. The law added was the 10 commandments written on stone (the letter of the law) You stated how did those knew back then what was right and wrong and that's a good point as I also pointed out that God's word is spirit and life and out of time thus always present. The letter came to us in the form of stone tablets AFTER the promise! But that's despite the fact as we do not worship nor obey after the letter of the law the NT covenant is after the spirit written on our hearts in the inward parts.

 

[Abiding]

much power in living the commandments, and satan knows this, so in my observations i feel satan is trying to get man to believe they don't matter. This is a lie of satan, as he knows the super natural powers of the commandments. The proof is in the pudding, can't knock it till you try it.[/QUOTE

Absolutely, but there are some here concerned over some false teaching...surely the Law is Holy,
Just, and Good. I dont think theres anyone that disagrees with that.

How? what are the modes and mechanics of fulfilling and establishing the law?

Is there a difference between our standing and state?

Is there a difference between Justification and sanctification?

And what does the Word teach? Thats the issue.

Noone believes there is a fault in the Law, or that we can be overt lawbreakers.

 

[Eccl12and13]

"...what you are failing to realize is that you are saying there are another set of laws added when there are no other laws added.

First...it's not ME saying that another set of laws were added...it's God;

"Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,..." Gal.3:19

So....did God lie when He had Paul to write the above?


And then right after you claim no law was added you say this....

The law added was the 10 commandments written on stone (the letter of the law)

So which is it? Was your statement of, "...when there are no other laws added.", correct or the following, "...The law added was the 10 commandments written on stone (the letter of the law)"


Either a law was added, as God's word tells us, or.....


"...when there are no other laws added." As you also claim.



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[Eccl12and13]

You stated how did those knew back then what was right and wrong and that's a good point

What God's word tells us is that the people KNEW what God's laws were! Why would God bring about a flood to punish if they did not know what they were doing was wrong? Why did God destroy Sodom?

God's laws were known by ALL from the beginning. He did not have to ADD the 10 commandments to expose sin. Mankind knew what was right and what was wrong from God's view from the beginning of time.

Do you not know how the people knew this? Do you not understand that God spoke to His children to let them know right from wrong? Just because we do not have a set of written laws until the days of Moses do you not think they existed?

God's laws and commandments were passed down by word of mouth or written down.

Come on.......God gave us common sense for a reason.


Did you not know this?



Do you think it's possible that after 400 years the nation of Israel had to be RETAUGHT God's laws and commandments? Do ya think they may have forgotten a law or two out of the 613 God gave to Abraham?


Yes to Abraham! Do you really believe the same laws that were given to the nation of Israel NEVER existed before Moses. What laws and commandments was it that God said Abraham kept?



Do you know what law was added because of transgressions, not to expose transgressions?



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[hermanodaniel]

What God's word tells us is that the people KNEW what God's laws were! Why would God bring about a flood to punish if they did not know what they were doing was wrong? Why did God destroy Sodom?

God's laws were known by ALL from the beginning. He did not have to ADD the 10 commandments to expose sin. Mankind knew what was right and what was wrong from God's view from the beginning of time.

Do you not know how the people knew this? Do you not understand that God spoke to His children to let them know right from wrong? Just because we do not have a set of written laws until the days of Moses do you not think they existed?

God's laws and commandments were passed down by word of mouth or written down.

Come on.......God gave us common sense for a reason.


Did you not know this?



Do you think it's possible that after 400 years the nation of Israel had to be RETAUGHT God's laws and commandments? Do ya think they may have forgotten a law or two out of the 613 God gave to Abraham?


Yes to Abraham! Do you really believe the same laws that were given to the nation of Israel NEVER existed before Moses. What laws and commandments was it that God said Abraham kept?



Do you know what law was added because of transgressions, not to expose transgressions?



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You have misunderstood I think the problem lies in you understanding what the letter of the law entails.

Blessings

 

[Eccl12and13]

You have misunderstood I think the problem lies in you understanding what the letter of the law entails.

Blessings

Please explain with Book, Chap., and verse. And maybe you can also address the following that you claim;

"...what you are failing to realize is that you are saying there are another set of laws added when there are no other laws added."

To which you followed up with;

"The law added was the 10 commandments written on stone (the letter of the law)..."

Again I ask "Which is it?"



Either a law was added, as God's word tells us, or.....


"...when there are no other laws added." As you also claim.



God's word are clear that ALL of His laws were in around and enforced from the beginning. I have provided scriptures proving that His 10 commandments were around AND known of other nations BEFORE Moses..so how could those be the laws that were ADDED when they were already in force?


Paul tells us a set of laws were ADDED because of sin, not to expose sin as you claim.


Again.....do you know the set of laws that were added because of transgressions?


Gal.3
[19] Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.


Can God's words be any more clear? Not only are we told that a law was added because of transgressions, we are also told just how this law that was added would be around; "...till the seed should come to whom the promise was made..."

The law that was added was ONLY to be around until Christ came. And what did Christ come to do? Christ came to STOP the shedding of animals blood and provide a perfect sacrifice for sin; HIS BLOOD!

Now what happened as soon as Christ died? The veil of the temple was torn in two! And what happened behind the veil? The blood of bulls and goats was shed for the remission of sins! So what ended when the seed was come? What was no longer needed after the perfect sacrifice was offered? NO MORE SHEDDING OF ANIMALS BLOOD! And what did that mean? NO MORE LEVITCAL PRIESTHOOD! Their job was over.

So what law was it that was added? What law was it that was a schoolmaster to keep the people until the one to whom the promises were made would come? What was the laws that were NAILED TO HIS CROSS?

The laws of the Levites/animal sacrifice! That was the law that was added because of transgressions!


Let's read when this law was added.....


Gal.3
[17] And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.


So this law that was ADDED was added AFTER the covenant was made with Abraham. Now as the scriptures proved....ALL of God's laws were already in forced...so what laws were ADDED 430 years later? What laws did not exists until the days of Moses?

The Laws of the Levitical Priesthood/Animal sacrifice!


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[hermanodaniel]

Please explain with Book, Chap., and verse. And maybe you can also address the following that you claim;





To which you followed up with;





Again I ask "Which is it?"



Either a law was added, as God's word tells us, or.....


"...when there are no other laws added." As you also claim.



God's word are clear that ALL of His laws were in around and enforced from the beginning. I have provided scriptures proving that His 10 commandments were around AND known of other nations BEFORE Moses..so how could those be the laws that were ADDED when they were already in force?


Paul tells us a set of laws were ADDED because of sin, not to expose sin as you claim.


Again.....do you know the set of laws that were added because of transgressions?


Gal.3
[19] Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.


Can God's words be any more clear? Not only are we told that a law was added because of transgressions, we are also told just how this law that was added would be around; "...till the seed should come to whom the promise was made..."

The law that was added was ONLY to be around until Christ came. And what did Christ come to do? Christ came to STOP the shedding of animals blood and provide a perfect sacrifice for sin; HIS BLOOD!

Now what happened as soon as Christ died? The veil of the temple was torn in two! And what happened behind the veil? The blood of bulls and goats was shed for the remission of sins! So what ended when the seed was come? What was no longer needed after the perfect sacrifice was offered? NO MORE SHEDDING OF ANIMALS BLOOD! And what did that mean? NO MORE LEVITCAL PRIESTHOOD! Their job was over.

So what law was it that was added? What law was it that was a schoolmaster to keep the people until the one to whom the promises were made would come? What was the laws that were NAILED TO HIS CROSS?

The laws of the Levites/animal sacrifice! That was the law that was added because of transgressions!


Let's read when this law was added.....


Gal.3
[17] And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.


So this law that was ADDED was added AFTER the covenant was made with Abraham. Now as the scriptures proved....ALL of God's laws were already in forced...so what laws were ADDED 430 years later? What laws did not exists until the days of Moses?

The Laws of the Levitical Priesthood/Animal sacrifice!


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That's not biblical, again if you believe that then you will will be forced to also falsely believe that Jesus came to fulfill part of the Law and not all of it. The Law of God needed to be given in the form of the letter that everyone may know that WE ALL HAVE FALLEN SHORT OF GOD'S GLORY! You are also falsely claiming that when Paul stated in romans 7 he would not have known sin if the commandment had not said thou shall not covet that this wasn't according to the ones written on stone. You do realize that, right? This is isn't biblical the Law came to point out what sin was and condemn it before the promise sin was in the world but it was not imputed unto the Law came (Romans 5)

 

[hermanodaniel]

Think about it this way, for all those who were sinning before the 10 commandments written in stone, how were they convicted of sin? How could someone say hey today is the sabbath rest without even knowing the sabbath rest is on the 7th day? IMPOSSIBLE because it was the 10 commandments written on stone (entire old covenant) that was added AFTER THE PROMISE. Otherwise Jesus fulfilled a part of the law which according to you will be the levitical priests and ceremonial laws that supposedly came after the promise. You do know the promise is a typology of Jesus, right?

 

[Eccl12and13]

That's not biblical, again if you believe that then you will will be forced to also falsely believe that Jesus came to fulfill part of the Law and not all of it. The Law of God needed to be given in the form of the letter that everyone may know that WE ALL HAVE FALLEN SHORT OF GOD'S GLORY! You are also falsely claiming that when Paul stated in romans 7 he would not have known sin if the commandment had not said thou shall not covet that this wasn't according to the ones written on stone. You do realize that, right? This is isn't biblical the Law came to point out what sin was and condemn it before the promise sin was in the world but it was not imputed unto the Law came (Romans 5)

You keep telling me my posts are not biblical. If they are not then proving that should be very easy to do. All you have to do is to provide the book, chapter and verse that states otherwise. As I have always asked you to do PLEASE point out what it is that is NOT biblical with the book, the chapter and the verse so that we can discuss the matter using the scripture for reproof and correction;

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

This is how God"s word tells us to use ALL scripture...that would be everything from Gen. thru Rev.


Well....again.....here is you chance to provide scripture to prove what it is you are claiming about my post. What did I post that CANNOT be found in God's word?



Now....you keep talking about the laws that were written on stone......What were the laws written on stone? Book, chap and verse please!


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[nathan3]

Yes its important. Jesus said to keep the commandments. Try to brake one of God's commandments and see what happens. Do no murder. dont steel, honor your father and mother. Have no other god's. seems pretty important.

 

[hermanodaniel]

You keep telling me my posts are not biblical. If they are not then proving that should be very easy to do. All you have to do is to provide the book, chapter and verse that states otherwise. As I have always asked you to do PLEASE point out what it is that is NOT biblical with the book, the chapter and the verse so that we can discuss the matter using the scripture for reproof and correction;

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

This is how God"s word tells us to use ALL scripture...that would be everything from Gen. thru Rev.


Well....again.....here is you chance to provide scripture to prove what it is you are claiming about my post. What did I post that CANNOT be found in God's word?



Now....you keep talking about the laws that were written on stone......What were the laws written on stone? Book, chap and verse please!


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Exodus 20...
BUT consider this: Genesis 15:16 speaks of the sins of the Amorites not being full yet for them to be destroyed and this was actually fulfilled in Joshua 11 which was AFTER the 10 commandments was given which reveals that the sin of the Amorites were not full since the Law was not yet given which increased transgressions since now the Laws were written to show that all have sinned before God. This is why I said the Law was added for sin and that means to expose sin as sin.

 

[Eccl12and13]

Exodus 20...
BUT consider this: Genesis 15:16 speaks of the sins of the Amorites not being full yet for them to be destroyed and this was actually fulfilled in Joshua 11 which was AFTER the 10 commandments was given which reveals that the sin of the Amorites were not full since the Law was not yet given which increased transgressions since now the Laws were written to show that all have sinned before God. This is why I said the Law was added for sin and that means to expose sin as sin.

I just want you to RE-READ what you just posted. You are talking in circles.... Let's break down what you have posted and PLEASE provide scripture to back up your claim. How are you to convince me that ANYTHING you claim is biblical if you do not EXPLAIN with book, chapter and verse?

"The sins of the Amorites not being full yet.......'

Just what is it that you are claiming God's word is saying here? Remember; book, chap., and verse.


Next you say.....

"for them to be destroyed and this was actually fulfilled in Joshua 11..."

What do you mean here? For God's word speaks of the Amorites way into the days of Solomon!


Next you say....

"which was AFTER the 10 commandments was given which reveals that the sin of the Amorites were not full "

Again....what are you claiming here? Are you attempting to present that because the Amorites were not punished until AFTER the 10 commandments were given that they did not SIN against God BEFORE the 10 commandments? God wiped out all of His creation but for (1) family of eight and those animals protected on the ark!


Next......

"since the Law was not yet given which increased transgressions"

What does this mean. I'll even let you try to explain it WITHOUT scripture...if you can!


Next......and this is a good one.....

"...to show that all have sinned before God..."

Now let's do as I have asked that you do....let's use God's words to prove a doctrine.

You claim above that ALL have sinned before God. But yet you also claim that the 10 commandments were added to expose sin.

Well...what is sin?

1 John 3
[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


And WHO has sinned?

Eccl.7
[20] For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

Rom.3
[23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


So WHO has broken God's laws? EVERY person that has ever lived.


Now.....if the law was ADDED to expose sin, as you claim, but the sins of the Amorites had not been made full until the 10 commandments were ADDED.....then what laws were broken by mankind that caused God to destroy the world with a flood? And what laws were broken that caused God to destroy (2) cities and the surrounding suburbs in the days of Abraham? And what laws are those that Abraham kept?



I'll stop right here. That should keep you busy enough......looking up all of the books, chapters and verses needed to prove your claim.

I would like to get back to your claim about my post NOT being biblical. I'm yet waiting for book, chapter and verse stating why my post, according to you, are not biblical.



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[weakness]

"Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death." - John 8:51

and you have not come to know Him, but I know Him; and if I say that I do not know Him, I will be a liar like you, but I do know Him and keep His word. - John 8:55

By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. - 1 John 2:3

"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. - John 14:15

Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. - John 14:23

"If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. - John 15:10

Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. - Revelation 14:12

KEEP

Strong's Number: 5083
Original Word Word Origin

tereo from teros (a watch, perhaps akin to (2334))

Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Tereo 8:140,1174
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
tay-reh'-o Verb

Definition
to attend to carefully, take care of
to guard
metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is
to observe
to reserve: to undergo something

NAS Word Usage - Total: 71
continue 1, guard 1, guards 1, heed 2, heeds 1, held in custody 1, keep 27, keep watch over 1, keeping 1, keeping guard over 1, keeps 9, kept 12, kept in custody 3, observe 3, preserve 1, preserved 1, reserved 4, watching over 1

possibly from:

Strong's Number: 2334
Original Word Word Origin

qeoreo from a derivative of (2300) (perhaps by add. of (3708))

Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Theoreo 5:315,706
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
theh-o-reh'-o Verb

Definition
to be a spectator, look at, behold
to view attentively, take a view of, survey
to view mentally, consider
to see
to perceive with the eyes, to enjoy the presence of one
to discern, descry
to ascertain, find out by seeing

NAS Word Usage - Total: 53
beholds 1, look 1, looking 5, observe 3, observed 4, observing 3, perceive 2, saw 8, see 16, seeing 2, seen 1, sees 4, watched 1, watching 2




Jude 1
Keep Yourselves in the Love of God

17But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, 18that they were saying to you, “In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.” 19These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit. 20But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life. 22And have mercy on some, who are doubting; 23save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh.

24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, 25to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.


KEEP

Strong's Number: 5083
Original Word Word Origin

tereo from teros (a watch, perhaps akin to (2334))

Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Tereo 8:140,1174
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
tay-reh'-o Verb

Definition
to attend to carefully, take care of
to guard
metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is
to observe
to reserve: to undergo something

NAS Word Usage - Total: 71
continue 1, guard 1, guards 1, heed 2, heeds 1, held in custody 1, keep 27, keep watch over 1, keeping 1, keeping guard over 1, keeps 9, kept 12, kept in custody 3, observe 3, preserve 1, preserved 1, reserved 4, watching over 1

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24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, 25to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

histémi: to make to stand, to stand

Strong's Number: 2476
Original Word Word Origin
istemi a prolonged form of a primary stao {stah'-o} (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Histemi 7:638,1082
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
his'-tay-mee Verb

Definition
to cause or make to stand, to place, put, set
to bid to stand by, [set up]
in the presence of others, in the midst, before judges, before members of the Sanhedrin;
to place
to make firm, fix establish
to cause a person or a thing to keep his or its place
to stand, be kept intact (of family, a kingdom), to escape in safety
to establish a thing, cause it to stand 1b
to uphold or sustain the authority or force of anything
to set or place in a balance
to weigh: money to one (because in very early times before the introduction of coinage, the metals used to be weighed)
to stand
to stand by or near
to stop, stand still, to stand immovable, stand firm 2a
of the foundation of a building
to stand
continue safe and sound, stand unharmed, to stand ready or prepared
to be of a steadfast mind
of quality, one who does not hesitate, does not waiver

NAS Word Usage - Total: 152
brought 1, bystanders 1, bystanders* 1, came 1, came to a halt 1, come 1, confirmed 2, establish 3, fixed 1, hold 1, lying 1, make...stand 2, placed 1, put 1, put forward 2, set 4, stand 27, stand firm 4, standing 53, standing firm 1, stands 6, stood 27, stood still 1, stood upright 1, stop 1, stopped 5, taking his stand 1, weighed 1



I do not understand why some have such a low view of what The LORD planned to do, is capable of doing, has done, and will do. Perhaps they have not KEPT His commandments and His words, perhaps they have not hidden them in their hearts and guarded them, treasuring them for what they are. PROMISES.

Where is our faith in Him? Where is it?
I find this so hurtful. Where is our joy? Where is our Awe and Praise for HIM?

He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. - 1 Corinthians 5:21


And have mercy on some, who are doubting - Jude 1:22

The commandment John was referring to was "he that Love his brother" "brethren I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which you heard from the beginning" Not as Cain the wicked one who slew his brother "he that hateth his brother is in darkness, Noah also had 7 ( I think) commandments." For until the law sin was in the world ,but sin was not imputed where there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam till Moses. even to them who had not sinned after the similitude of Adams transgression If you don't know these scriptures look them up!

 

[Eccl12and13]

Think about it this way, for all those who were sinning before the 10 commandments written in stone, how were they convicted of sin? How could someone say hey today is the sabbath rest without even knowing the sabbath rest is on the 7th day? IMPOSSIBLE.....

You are kidding right? This let's me know you are NOT reading all of my post. Which means I am throwing my pearls before swine.

I pray you take the time to read what I am about to post.

Above you said, "...for all those who were sinning before the 10 commandments written in stone, how were they convicted of sin?"

To which I replied....just because we have no WRITTEN record of God's laws does not mean the nations did not know of them. And here are just a few examples that not only did God's laws exists.....but the nations knew of them and they were enforced. Let's read...


Gen. 4
[6] And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
[7] If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Notice what God said ‘lieth at the door’ for Cain….SIN! And sin is to break Gods law. And did Cain sin?

[8] And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
Now do we have any record telling us this law was written down? No! But yet Cain still knew it was wrong. How? God told him so. That is how everybody knew what was wrong and what was right. If it wasn’t written down it HAD to be passed by word of mouth. God spoke to His children and they, in turn, told the rest of mankind.

So we have MURDER BEFORE MOSES! Exod. 20 [13]Thou shalt not kill. Let’s read more.

It was a sin to kill WAY before there was an Israelite born.



Gen. 30
[31] And he said, What shall I give thee? And Jacob said, Thou shalt not give me any thing: if thou wilt do this thing for me, I will again feed and keep thy flock:
[32] I will pass through all thy flock to day, removing from thence all the speckled and spotted cattle, and all the brown cattle among the sheep, and the spotted and speckled among the goats: and of such shall be my hire.
[33] So shall my righteousness answer for me in time to come, when it shall come for my hire before thy face: every one that is not speckled and spotted among the goats, and brown among the sheep, that shall be counted stolen with me.

So we have STEALING BEFORE MOSES! Exod. 20 [15] Thou shalt not steal.


Josh. 24 [2] And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods.

Notice when they served ‘other gods’. It was on the ‘other side of the flood’!

So we have IDOLATRY BEFORE MOSES! Exod. 20 [3] Thou shalt have no other gods ` before me.

Here was have ANOTHER law of the 10 commandments that was enforced by God BEFORE the flood.


Gen. 12 [13] Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
[[17] And the LORD plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai Abram's wife.
[18] And Pharaoh called Abram, and said, What is this that thou hast done unto me? why didst thou not tell me that she was thy wife?
[19] Why saidst thou, She is my sister? so I might have taken her to me to wife: now therefore behold thy wife, take her, and go thy way.

LYING BEFORE MOSES!


Lev. 18: [21] And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
[27] (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled

PROFANING GODS NAME BEFORE MOSES!



ALL of God's laws were around and enforce BEFORE they were EVER written on stone. I have just PROVED that above with scriptures....it is not just a claim.


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[weakness]

Please explain with Book, Chap., and verse. And maybe you can also address the following that you claim; Weaknesshere I know that those learning need references to scripture or look them op with a concordance or something. Personally I recognize these scriptures being spoken of ,both your and his, Which brings me to my point that someone exspouding the assumed claims you make with such brazen assurance ,but doe not apparently know scriptures which are vital to this discussion should such a person rather humble themselves ,study to shew thyself approved them with true scriptural authority once again pursue this discussion bringing yourself into subjection and not as one that beats the air hoping to hit something???? god bless I messed up my placement of comment





To which you followed up with;





Again I ask "Which is it?"



Either a law was added, as God's word tells us, or.....


"...when there are no other laws added." As you also claim.



God's word are clear that ALL of His laws were in around and enforced from the beginning. I have provided scriptures proving that His 10 commandments were around AND known of other nations BEFORE Moses..so how could those be the laws that were ADDED when they were already in force?


Paul tells us a set of laws were ADDED because of sin, not to expose sin as you claim.


Again.....do you know the set of laws that were added because of transgressions?


Gal.3
[19] Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.


Can God's words be any more clear? Not only are we told that a law was added because of transgressions, we are also told just how this law that was added would be around; "...till the seed should come to whom the promise was made..."

The law that was added was ONLY to be around until Christ came. And what did Christ come to do? Christ came to STOP the shedding of animals blood and provide a perfect sacrifice for sin; HIS BLOOD!

Now what happened as soon as Christ died? The veil of the temple was torn in two! And what happened behind the veil? The blood of bulls and goats was shed for the remission of sins! So what ended when the seed was come? What was no longer needed after the perfect sacrifice was offered? NO MORE SHEDDING OF ANIMALS BLOOD! And what did that mean? NO MORE LEVITCAL PRIESTHOOD! Their job was over.

So what law was it that was added? What law was it that was a schoolmaster to keep the people until the one to whom the promises were made would come? What was the laws that were NAILED TO HIS CROSS?

The laws of the Levites/animal sacrifice! That was the law that was added because of transgressions!


Let's read when this law was added.....


Gal.3
[17] And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.


So this law that was ADDED was added AFTER the covenant was made with Abraham. Now as the scriptures proved....ALL of God's laws were already in forced...so what laws were ADDED 430 years later? What laws did not exists until the days of Moses?

The Laws of the Levitical Priesthood/Animal sacrifice!


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[Eccl12and13]

Think about it this way, for all those who were sinning before the 10 commandments written in stone, how were they convicted of sin?.....IMPOSSIBLE because it was the 10 commandments written on stone (entire old covenant) that was added AFTER THE PROMISE.

This let's me know that you are NOT reading all of my post. Which, as the word tells us, that I have been throwing my pearls before the swine. I pray you will now read what I am about to post....


Above you say ask how were those convicted of sin BEFORE the 10 commandments were written on stone?


To which I asked you before.... Do you believe that just because we have no written record that God's laws existed BEFORE Moses that they were not around and to by obeyed? Well here are just a few of the 10 that WERE around and in force BEFORE they were written in stone....but before I even go that far consider this......


Did not God convict ALL of His creation except for a family of (8) and some animals on an ark for breaking His laws and commandments?


Now if that is not enough......let's read more of God's word.....



Gen. 4
[6] And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
[7] If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Notice what God said ‘lieth at the door’ for Cain….SIN! And sin is to break Gods law. And did Cain sin?

[8] And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
Now do we have any record telling us this law was written down? No! But yet Cain still knew it was wrong. How? God told him so. That is how everybody knew what was wrong and what was right. If it wasn’t written down it HAD to be passed by word of mouth. God spoke to His children and they, in turn, told the rest of mankind.


And did God punish Cain for his sin that he committed? YES!

So we have MURDER BEFORE MOSES! Exod. 20 [13]Thou shalt not kill.



Gen. 30
[31] And he said, What shall I give thee? And Jacob said, Thou shalt not give me any thing: if thou wilt do this thing for me, I will again feed and keep thy flock:
[32] I will pass through all thy flock to day, removing from thence all the speckled and spotted cattle, and all the brown cattle among the sheep, and the spotted and speckled among the goats: and of such shall be my hire.
[33] So shall my righteousness answer for me in time to come, when it shall come for my hire before thy face: every one that is not speckled and spotted among the goats, and brown among the sheep, that shall be counted stolen with me.

Now WHO told Jacob that it was wrong to steal? Somebody had to. And how was it done? Either by word of mouth or it was written down. Either way....they knew that it was a sin to steal.

So we have STEALING BEFORE MOSES! Exod. 20 [15] Thou shalt not steal.



Josh. 24 [2] And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods.

Notice when they served ‘other gods’. It was on the ‘other side of the flood’! This was one of the reasons God brought the flood in the first place. Because man was not only breaking this law but ALL of God's laws.

So we have IDOLATRY BEFORE MOSES! Exod. 20 [3] Thou shalt have no other gods ` before me.


Gen. 12 [13] Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
[[17] And the LORD plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai Abram's wife.
[18] And Pharaoh called Abram, and said, What is this that thou hast done unto me? why didst thou not tell me that she was thy wife?
[19] Why saidst thou, She is my sister? so I might have taken her to me to wife: now therefore behold thy wife, take her, and go thy way.

LYING BEFORE MOSES!


Lev. 18: [21] And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
[27] (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled

PROFANING GODS NAME BEFORE MOSES!



Again....YOU claim that it was impossible to convict of any of the 10 commandments BEFORE they were given to Moses.....but time after time I read where ALL of God's laws were around and enforced BEFORE Moses was even alive.



Please provide scriptures, book, chapter and verses, proving otherwise!



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[Eccl12and13]

The law added was the 10 commandments written on stone (the letter of the law)

Now if this is your claim...tell me this.....how long was this law that was ADDED to be around? Let's read God's word to find out.....


Gal.3
[19] Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
[20] Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
[21] Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
[22] But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
[23] But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[24] Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


So now.....if the law that was added was the 10 commandments, as you claim, according to scripture, we are no longer under them. They were our schoolmaster.

So are you saying we are no longer obligated to keep the (10)?

Now...if we are no longer under them...why is it Paul tells us to KEEP them?


"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that commiteth fornication sinneth against his own body."

"Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand."



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