Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?

[Eccl12and13]

"Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith."

"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:"

"What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith."

"But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;"

"Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong."

"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

"For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"




We can go on and on and on quoting scriptures about having faith or needing faith for salvation.


But can anyone find just ONE place is ALL of God's word that states Faith and FAITH ALONE is ALL that is required for salvation?

Just ONE VERSE!

Just ONE!


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[Eccl12and13]

With all of this emphases of having faith.....does anyone know what God's word tells us is needed in order for us to have faith?

What are the REQUIREMENTS, according to the scriptures, for having faith?


Oh yeah.....and since we are COMMANDED to have faith, does that not make having faith a law?


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[RickShafer]

You now make a law of faith.
You have no understanding.
I pray for your deliverance.

 

[carolineh]

Jesus kept all of God's commandments for us..our response should be to turn to Him in love and plead for forgiveness, turn from our sins and hate our sins and through the Holy Spirit refrain from sinning..that is violating God's laws as in the commandments

 

[RickShafer]

Are you saved by grace through faith or not?
Is making a commandment out of having something that was a gift logical?
If faith is by grace, how can it attained through works?
Major logical misstep.

 

[Mediate]

The terms 'grace through faith' mean nothing but a selection of words which by definition govern more terms.

It is good for a man to work. And it is benificial that a man lives a godly life full of right action and pure intent.

And it is within us that this is cultivated, not outside us.

If i were told i had to be perfect i would not be a follower of the god who says it. But God, in the very sparing of our livrs has acknowledged, as always, that we are not perfect.

Even Jesus had to be brought resurrected from hell unto life.

This is what He says 'seventy times seven'.

 

[Mediate]

Who needs this law, this requirement to be what they are?

'I profess i am saved through grace through faith' .....

'I profess what i believe to be the required profession in order to get into heaven' ....

 

[Mediate]

I profess because people say i must' ... Well i dont.

God doesnt need my profession and neither do i

 

[know1]

With all of this emphases of having faith.....does anyone know what God's word tells us is needed in order for us to have faith?
What are the REQUIREMENTS, according to the scriptures, for having faith?
Oh yeah.....and since we are COMMANDED to have faith, does that not make having faith a law?
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What kind of law are you talking about here? The kind that governs the physical world, like the law of gravity? Or the commanding kind that says you either do this or else. Because there is a law of faith.
Rom_3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

 

[know1]

With all of this emphases of having faith.....does anyone know what God's word tells us is needed in order for us to have faith?
What are the REQUIREMENTS, according to the scriptures, for having faith?
Oh yeah.....and since we are COMMANDED to have faith, does that not make having faith a law?
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By- the-way, we are not commanded to have faith when we are all dealt a measure of it, but are commanded to walk in or by faith.

 

[Mediate]

What kind of law are you talking about here? The kind that governs the physical world, like the law of gravity? Or the commanding kind that says you either do this or else. Because there is a law of faith.
Rom_3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

The law of faith is cause and effect, not command vs condemnation.

It is saying 'boasti.g is excluded by what? The law of works? Nay, but by faith'

Someone who cares about the person theyre helping rather than the price they deem that they are paid for helping that person, will not care about the price they are paid. Thats the point.

People thinking in terms of 'getting to heaven' when it is already given to us.

Compassion trumps selfishness everytime.

A person cannot truly understand God if everything we do is a checklist.

 

[RickShafer]

Mediate said - 'The terms 'grace through faith' mean nothing but a selection of words which by definition govern more terms.'

The term 'grace by faith' means everything,.......to those who can read. Words have definitions.
Words in order produce thoughts.
Understanding is up to you,.......not Gandhi or God.

 

[know1]

The law of faith is cause and effect, not command vs condemnation.

It is saying 'boasting is excluded by what? The law of works? Nay, but by faith'

Perhaps I should clarify myself. I was not referring to command vs condemnation but to the laws which govern the spirit world and ultimately the natural world. Or should I say, we cause the effect by our faith. I believe things in scripture as it is written. Such as, Mat_9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you. The type of law I was talking about concerning faith is the kind that will work, 100% of the time, when applied to the Word of God. For God's Word never fails.

 

[RickShafer]

I profess because people say i must' ... Well i dont.

God doesnt need my profession and neither do i

Out of your own mouth Gandhi.

Romans 10: 9-10 :
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved . 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

[Tandemtruths]

Let's READ some scripture.....


When did God know for a fact that Abraham believed in Him? What caused God to know this?


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When: Forever, because he's God What: Because he's God

Sorry to seem a bit cheeky, but that is about as plain as I can put it.
We can absolutely quote the Bible all day, and I believe Paul means what he said. He is not talking of visions, or interpretation. Paul is plainly giving direction to the church, the body of believers; those of the FAITH. Paul tells us himself he is not a gifted orator, being able to dance around what he says with subtleties. He is plain spoken, and he is led of the Holy Spirit in those words. When we read scripture and feel conflict, it is not because of scripture. There is infinitely more likely a chance that within ourselves there is a misunderstanding, or a misinterpretation, of the Word. We shouldn't argue it away, we should delve more deeply into the word, and petition the spirit in prayer. All of it is God breathed, all of it has benefit. The battle between Law and Faith, is assuming they are peers in God's eyes. The Law is perfect, man, is not. Thus, if man, who is imperfect, were to say "I have done these things" it would mean tainting perfection. Since tainting perfection is impossible, the reciprocal becomes true: Man cannot complete the law. We could then go into Hebrews, which explains the need for sacrifices, and then so wonderfully, and quite plainly, states that Jesus is the one sacrifice that need not be repeated. The perfect sacrifice. The sacrifices cleanses away sin, faith in that sacrifice, justifies. The law, in it's perfection, condems. Jesus's blood sacrifice, through faith, justifies. We do not justify ourselves, but we must let him in.

 

[Eccl12and13]

When: Forever, because he's God What: Because he's God

There was a certain time that can be read from scripture when God knew JUST when Abraham believed in His word.

Do you know when this was in scripture? Do you know what caused God to know for a fact that Abraham had faith in Him?


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[Eccl12and13]

You now make a law of faith.
You have no understanding.
I pray for your deliverance.

"Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith."

This is not my doctrine. God's word tells us that there is a law of faith.

Have you not read this in your bible?

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[Eccl12and13]

By- the-way, we are not commanded to have faith when we are all dealt a measure of it, but are commanded to walk in or by faith.

Rom.3
[27] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

God's word above tells us that faith is a law. It is something that is commanded of us.

Have you not read this in your bible>


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[psychomom]

When: Forever, because he's God What: Because he's God

Sorry to seem a bit cheeky, but that is about as plain as I can put it.
We can absolutely quote the Bible all day, and I believe Paul means what he said. He is not talking of visions, or interpretation. Paul is plainly giving direction to the church, the body of believers; those of the FAITH. Paul tells us himself he is not a gifted orator, being able to dance around what he says with subtleties. He is plain spoken, and he is led of the Holy Spirit in those words. When we read scripture and feel conflict, it is not because of scripture. There is infinitely more likely a chance that within ourselves there is a misunderstanding, or a misinterpretation, of the Word. We shouldn't argue it away, we should delve more deeply into the word, and petition the spirit in prayer. All of it is God breathed, all of it has benefit. The battle between Law and Faith, is assuming they are peers in God's eyes. The Law is perfect, man, is not. Thus, if man, who is imperfect, were to say "I have done these things" it would mean tainting perfection. Since tainting perfection is impossible, the reciprocal becomes true: Man cannot complete the law. We could then go into Hebrews, which explains the need for sacrifices, and then so wonderfully, and quite plainly, states that Jesus is the one sacrifice that need not be repeated. The perfect sacrifice. The sacrifices cleanses away sin, faith in that sacrifice, justifies. The law, in it's perfection, condems. Jesus's blood sacrifice, through faith, justifies. We do not justify ourselves, but we must let him in.

You know...the love from the Lord was already there,

but you are really endearing yourself to me by what you say.

I appreciate it!
-ellie

 

[Red33]

You know...the love from the Lord was already there,

but you are really endearing yourself to me by what you say.

I appreciate it!
-ellie

It is so good to hear others who have God's Spirit, in Christ's body, convey from the heart that kind of understanding and grace because it builds up and edifies us together for a habitation of God, fitly framed together (Eph 2:20).