IS MAN TOTALLY DEPRAVED?

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Why would the word "world" mean a mass of people alienated from God #6........alienated? Why not a mass of believers?
Strongs does not detail like that , it just gives the possible words.........I say boo, hiss to your lexicon, it is a joke.

Prefer my concordance, no opinios
So it is ok to say it is a group of believers, but not a group of unbelievers?

That makes no sense and defeats your own argument

And ps. That was strongs, you just attacked your own source..

Still waiting an answer to when those things occured in history, you give up?
 

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Grace cannot be resisted.

Once a person sees the Truth they can't un-see it.

After seeing that Truth you have no choice but to act on that Truth. You can't act on something that you know is false from the start.


There is obviously a difference between intellectual assent of grace and actual Experiencing of Grace.
Well, I agree with the last line. Many know the truth but hate it.
 

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or check out the many threads available in this forum that will describe all the different flavors available, because, no matter what some Calvinists state, Calvin was not as adamant in his tulips as they are
Well exactly, some people even question whether Calvin was a Calvinist...LOL
 

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Well, I agree with the last line. Many know the truth but hate it.
They hate what we know to be Truth, but I do not believe they regard it or accepted it as Truth.
 

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Well exactly, some people even question whether Calvin was a Calvinist...LOL
I am not a Calvinist, but I have studied Calvinism, and what many OSAS people are saying here is not Calvinism. Calvinists don't believe in "punch my ticket to heaven, and I'm good no matter how I live" believism some, (not all, I'm not talking about all the OSAS people here, just some) hold

Sturgeon, Whitefi iteld, Sproul, etc would adamently reject this type of powerless faith.
 

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I am not a Calvinist, but I have studied Calvinism, and what many OSAS people are saying here is not Calvinism. Calvinists don't believe in "punch my ticket to heaven, and I'm good no matter how I live" believism some, (not all, I'm not talking about all the OSAS people here, just some) hold

Sturgeon, Whitefi iteld, Sproul, etc would adamently reject this type of powerless faith.
Sorry, wrong thread,
 

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They hate what we know to be Truth, but I do not believe they regard it or accepted it as Truth.
No they run from it or vainly try to put it out. But the Light is shining, and everyone receives enough light to be without excuse, nontheless.
 
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I am not a Calvinist, but I have studied Calvinism, and what many OSAS people are saying here is not Calvinism. Calvinists don't believe in "punch my ticket to heaven, and I'm good no matter how I live" believism some, (not all, I'm not talking about all the OSAS people here, just some) hold

Sturgeon, Whitefi iteld, Sproul, etc would adamently reject this type of powerless faith.
Any examples?
 

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When you say that true, saving faith perserveres and bears fruit, ie evidences of true conversion, some say that is basing your salvation on your own efforts. Check the last few pages of the election/predestination thread.
 
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When you say that true, saving faith perserveres and bears fruit, some say that is basing your salvation on your own efforts. Check the last few pages of the election/predestination thread.
I do not see how that relates to think you ok to live in sin.
 

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So it is ok to say it is a group of believers, but not a group of unbelievers?

That makes no sense and defeats your own argument

And ps. That was strongs, you just attacked your own source..

Still waiting an answer to when those things occured in history, you give up?
If you can find one, maybe a library, they ARE expensive to buy, you will see that Mr Strong listed each word by the verse that it is in because in Greek there are variances in the meaning. (or Chaldee or Hebrew) The word LOVE for example probably has 100+ different verses listed in Strong's (some agreeing with each other on the meaning of the word, some with other variances).
Strong's does not interpret, it just lists the word and its meaning. I can't explain it any other way, you need to see the BOOK, not an on-line one.
 
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If you can find one, maybe a library, they ARE expensive to buy, you will see that Mr Strong listed each word by the verse that it is in because in Greek there are variances in the meaning. (or Chaldee or Hebrew) The word LOVE for example probably has 100+ different verses listed in Strong's (some agreeing with each other on the meaning of the word, some with other variances).
Strong's does not interpret, it just lists the word and its meaning. I can't explain it any other way, you need to see the BOOK, not an on-line one.
If i can find 1?

Maam, i have a bible software program that has copies of many many books, including the strongs books, unlike in a book, where i have to lookat an index and try to find a page, i look at the word, and logos does the work fr me, it gives me every lexicon, dictionary or whAtever book in my library, which has a few hundred books in it, so all i have to do is click on the link and i am taken to the page.

I showed you two, one of what was strongs, and you disagree, well thats fine, disagree, thats on you, me? I am told to study to show myself approved a workman who needs not be ashamed. And this is what i have been doing for year.
 

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If i can find 1?

Maam, i have a bible software program that has copies of many many books, including the strongs books, unlike in a book, where i have to lookat an index and try to find a page, i look at the word, and logos does the work fr me, it gives me every lexicon, dictionary or whAtever book in my library, which has a few hundred books in it, so all i have to do is click on the link and i am taken to the page.

I showed you two, one of what was strongs, and you disagree, well thats fine, disagree, thats on you, me? I am told to study to show myself approved a workman who needs not be ashamed. And this is what i have been doing for year.
I can only wonder who put out that software program because you certainly are NOT getting good information.
What other books did Stong write? I is my understanding that his concordance was his life's work.
 
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I can only wonder who put out that software program because you certainly are NOT getting good information.
What other books did Stong write? I is my understanding that his concordance was his life's work.
Go ahead and look it up

Logos.com
 

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Is man totally depraved? Depends a lot on what you mean by those words.

I do know that we are created in the image of God - that sounds positive to me - so God did not create us helpless and ignorant.
 

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Go ahead and look it up

Logos.com
So I checked it out.......Strong's is not mentioned as part of any package.
Also no mention of any "other" books by Strong.......so I wait for your list since you mentioned BOOKS.
This is a rip off for suckers. Expensive packages styleized to the preconceived doctrines of any and all buyers.
 

GraceAndTruth

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Is man totally depraved? Depends a lot on what you mean by those words.

I do know that we are created in the image of God - that sounds positive to me - so God did not create us helpless and ignorant.
Please go back to the start of the forum where I listed a bunch of verses that you might read on this.
Total Depravity is how God sees US, not how we see ourselves.........as "not so bad, better than some, pretty good, etc etc.
God says we stink of sin. (our own self-righteousness is like a filthy rag)
 
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So I checked it out.......Strong's is not mentioned as part of any package.
Also no mention of any "other" books by Strong.......so I wait for your list since you mentioned BOOKS.
This is a rip off for suckers. Expensive packages styleized to the preconceived doctrines of any and all buyers.
Then you did not check. Because if you did, you would know otherwise. A rip off for suckers? Maam your a liar, and you have some serious issues. I suggest you go find a quiet place and you pray for God to show you your heart, so you can repent

Strongs search logos.com

There is the link for all people to see this posters decieptfulness
 
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Please go back to the start of the forum where I listed a bunch of verses that you might read on this.
Total Depravity is how God sees US, not how we see ourselves.........as "not so bad, better than some, pretty good, etc etc.
God says we stink of sin. (our own self-righteousness is like a filthy rag)
When are you going to answer my question, stop demanding other people answer yours when younrefuse to answer others

And do not say one more time what question, you know what question i have asked you multiple times now and you said you would answer
 

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Then you did not check. Because if you did, you would know otherwise. A rip off for suckers? Maam your a liar, and you have some serious issues. I suggest you go find a quiet place and you pray for God to show you your heart, so you can repent

Strongs search logos.com

There is the link for all people to see this posters decieptfulness

is it me or is her language deteriorating to the point of being reported?