Is Medication A Form Of Sorcery?

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blue_ladybug

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The title asks it all. Thoughts, opinions, and bible verses are welcome. :)
 

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No, it's not. Even in the book of Revelation it is stated that the leaves from the tree of life is for the healing of the nations. Health care providers and medication is provided by God for those in need to alleviate pain and suffering. Healing is not a matter about faith or lack of faith, it's about the love of God.
 

Yeraza_Bats

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No, it's not. Even in the book of Revelation it is stated that the leaves from the tree of life is for the healing of the nations. Health care providers and medication is provided by God for those in need to alleviate pain and suffering. Healing is not a matter about faith or lack of faith, it's about the love of God.
Can you share the verse?
 

blue_ladybug

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No, it's not. Even in the book of Revelation it is stated that the leaves from the tree of life is for the healing of the nations. Health care providers and medication is provided by God for those in need to alleviate pain and suffering. Healing is not a matter about faith or lack of faith, it's about the love of God.
Good answer, Jerry. So why do some people think or believe that medication is nothing but sorcery or witchcraft? And if GOD is capable of healing our illness and suffering Himself, then why does he use doctors to do, what he's fully capable of doing on his own without benefit of medical intervention?
 

hornetguy

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??? I guess I don't understand why anyone would think that...

Now, if your "doctor" has a big vat of bubbling brew in their living room, and sticks pins in little dolls, I might be asking that question...:D

I do believe that we, as a society, are certainly OVER medicated... especially our children. It's been that way for a while... remember the song "Mother's Little Helper" ? Valium...

Using medicine as a crutch is not good, anymore than using alcohol or food for a crutch... but taking advantage of new medical technology to help with real physical problems is not an issue... IMHO.
 
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Magenta

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Thousands and thousands of people die every year taking drugs the way they are prescribed to them. There are no drugs that don't have side effects, and some would say that the only difference between a drug and a poison is the dosage. Do the drugs help people? Many seem to think so, though placebos sometimes work just as effectively. We live in such a fallen world, where many things are allowed that probably should not be, things that increase the toxin levels in our environment and bring an overall increase in the numbers of people being adversely affected with diseases and ailments, even death. :(
 

blue_ladybug

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??? I guess I don't understand why anyone would think that...

Now, if your "doctor" has a big vat of bubbling brew in their living room, and sticks pins in little dolls, I might be asking that question...:D

I do believe that we, as a society, are certainly OVER medicated... especially our children. It's been that way for a while... remember the song "Mother's Little Helper" ? Valium...

Using medicine as a crutch is not good, anymore than using alcohol or food for a crutch... but taking advantage of new medical technology to help with real physical problems is not an issue... IMHO.
I agree with not using medicine as a crutch, but what if you have to take it all your life so you won't die? For example, I have epilepsy. It first started when I was about 4 years old, and I have both grand mal and petit mal seizures. Now my grand mals have been under good control since 1997, but I still have petit mals regularly. Would I be considered as using my seizure meds as a crutch to get through my life without turning into a vegetative state from too many seizures cutting off oxygen to my brain?
 
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JeniBean

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Well this could go many ways, we could say that GOD created the plants and gave the brains to people to come up with medications to help in the healing and pain process we all experience. Then you will have the scope of people who will say that everything GOD has given has been abused and not used for its proper purposes.

Therefore, I will leave you with these...

1 Timothy 5:23 - Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. - (Note many things in wines are used for medications)

Revelation 22:1 - In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river (was there) the tree of life, which bare twelve (manner of) fruits, (and) yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree (were) FOR HEALING of the nations.

and then read in Ecclesiastes 3:3.

Have a great day Blue...I do not come in BD, but for you I did!
 
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thepsalmist

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Thoughts and opinions welcome?

Ok then - here are mine :)

Dodging the sorcery part ... I'll leave that to a Jehovah's witness to refute ...

Personally I prefer to avoid them if at all possible. If I get a terrible headache I will take a Tylenol and if the lord grants it, it will be effective. And that's that.

I had a bout of pneumonia before I accepted the Lord as my savior ... was at deaths door ... got anti-biotics and was remedied.
I had a bout of pneumonia after I accepted the Lord as my savior ... I communed with Him about it and confirmed that I would prefer to trust in him as my physician rather than visit a doctor and it cleared up without meds.

Another experience I would share ... I have a terrible arthritis in my spine. At the time I didn't know it ... but I woke up in the middle of the night in screaming pain. Went to the doctor at 4AM and was told that my disc gets worn down by this bony formation of arthritis. When it gets worn down to nothing a nerve gets pinched between the bones and causes excruciating pain. He gave me some VERY heavy narcotics. It took two months for the disc to grow back . Two months of narcotics.

The doctor made it clear that because of the growth of arthritis this would recur every 2-3 years! So I prayed and expressed to God that I hated being on those narcotics (unsober) and asked him to help me to resist the pain medication the next time it happened .................but it never happened again! :) That was 8 years ago. Praise God. :)
 
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wwjd_kilden

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I suspect, though I could be wrong, that the majority of those who are against medication (in a general sense), never needed them.

I wonder what they will do if they are in so much pain only morphine helps
or the day the might get a stroke because their blood pressure is so high (most people get a high blood pressure with age)
or if they are bitten by something venomous and need an antidote.
....will they say no?
 

blue_ladybug

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Thousands and thousands of people die every year taking drugs the way they are prescribed to them. There are no drugs that don't have side effects, and some would say that the only difference between a drug and a poison is the dosage. Do the drugs help people? Many seem to think so, though placebos sometimes work just as effectively. We live in such a fallen world, where many things are allowed that probably should not be, things that increase the toxin levels in our environment and bring an overall increase in the numbers of people being adversely affected with diseases and ailments, even death. :(
​Yes but the majority of people die from overdoses, because they abuse their meds by taking more than prescribed. They figure if 2 pills works good, then 4 pills works even better wonders. :( Look at Elvis and Michael Jackson. They both claimed that because their meds were prescribed by a doctor, that they were "safe". That may well be true in the prescribed dosage BUT both MJ and Elvis took far more than prescribed, more often than prescribed..
 
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ramx2016

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Hold please.... let me quickly dose some medical mary jane here....:) Ahhhh....

If it's from the urff then it is God given.

Case closed.

Now where is that bubble gum????? Ugh...
 
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roaringkitten

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What many drugs do is treat the symptoms and NOT the cause of the illness. And so while the symptoms are being patched over, the body is trying even harder to alert you that something is wrong until the illness becomes terminal.

Note the medical treatments we see in the Bible are natural ones. They were not manufactured like they are today.
 

blue_ladybug

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Hold please.... let me quickly dose some medical mary jane here....:) Ahhhh....

If it's from the urff then it is God given.

Case closed.

Now where is that bubble gum????? Ugh...
Ummm, I don't think God intended mary jane for us, seeing as how it makes people do stupid, irrational things..lol.. and He certainly did NOT intend for mary jane to be abused as much as it is by stoners..
 
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wwjd_kilden

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What many drugs do is treat the symptoms and NOT the cause of the illness. And so while the symptoms are being patched over, the body is trying even harder to alert you that something is wrong until the illness becomes terminal.

Note the medical treatments we see in the Bible are natural ones. They were not manufactured like they are today.
So.... I shouldn't take my meds because my body is telling me something is wrong when my blood pressure is at a danger level without drugs and a safe level when on them?
 

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I suspect, though I could be wrong, that the majority of those who are against medication (in a general sense), never needed them.

I wonder what they will do if they are in so much pain only morphine helps
or the day the might get a stroke because their blood pressure is so high (most people get a high blood pressure with age)
or if they are bitten by something venomous and need an antidote.
....will they say no?
I disagree. I have not needed medicine in order to stay alive, but I have had to endure something really really horrible for a time, and the answer people told me to seek was medication. Not only did it not help what was happening to me in anyway, it also made me feel really weird, and less centered. It was only reaching out to God that eventually helped me through it.
 

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Can you share the verse?
Rev. 22:1,2
~1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations