Is the doctrine of limited atonement biblical?

[posthuman]

just continue to believe that God condemns to eternal damnation as he pleases.

You realize that I've told you a half a dozen times that God desires to damn no one, that it is not His wish to condemn anyone, and that we all have a chance and a choice - but you keep lying about me, slanderously saying I believe the exact opposite of what I've been saying?

Everyone can read the last several pages and see how you keep lying.

How you have not answered anything I have asked, how I have posted scripture after scripture and you have not given any, nor responded to any, but pour out false accusations continually towards me.

Why do you act like this, Sam?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

oh the irony

we have been around that bush over and over and over

as yet another thread illustrates, they are angry, confused and want to argue and call you a liar and then mock if you do not respond to the false accusations

well, God knows and He knows how they ended up so deceived

 

[7seasrekeyed]

You appear to have a problem with comprehension and I will not bother responding to you for the simple reason that you are only in this discussion to give you distorted view, not to mention, you pull verses out of context trying to defend your distorted view, which is all you try to do. I am wasting my time with you, read everything I wrote to all who I responded to I am sure my response to your question will be there. You are no different then unitedwithchrist who also post to impress, but who distorts the truth of God's word, what God made clear when he first spoke. I told him to not bother responding to anything I say, I am not impressed with what he thinks he knows and I will tell you the same, don't bother responding to my comments and just continue to believe that God condemns to eternal damnation as he pleases.

I very seldom will double up on what one person says about another, but FYI, this is why I do not respond to him either

further, one time I thought we were having a civil conversation and he asked me to give scripture and my thoughts on a several things

I responded at length, refuting his claims with the word and I was only polite

I received no response and later when I pointed that out he pretended he didn't know what I was talking about

you have summed up the way he posts quite accurately

of course it only engenders anger, but it would be great if he would see that is what he does

a number of people have pointed that out

the questions are designed in such a way as to attempt to get the other person to answer with a response that will back up Calvinism...he says he is not a Calvinist but whatever

when he does not get the answer he sets a person up for, anger ensues and the other person is accused of not responding even though he never responds to pertinent questions or scripture

I don't know what causes someone to be that way

 

[7seasrekeyed]

You realize that I've told you a half a dozen times that God desires to damn no one, that it is not His wish to condemn anyone, and that we all have a chance and a choice - but you keep lying about me, slanderously saying I believe the exact opposite of what I've been saying?

Everyone can read the last several pages and see how you keep lying.

How you have not answered anything I have asked, how I have posted scripture after scripture and you have not given any, nor responded to any, but pour out false accusations continually towards me.

Why do you act like this, Sam?

it's exactly the opposite

incredible that you do not see what you do

talk about passive aggressive

you are the best example of it I have seen in one long time

and of course you know I am not going to respond to any further insults from you

 

[7seasrekeyed]

If you need more proof, then take an honest look at Romans 9 and repent of your idolatry.

heres a good sermon on election for those interested:

MacArthur is a nut job

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

You realize that I've told you a half a dozen times that God desires to damn no one, that it is not His wish to condemn anyone, and that we all have a chance and a choice - but you keep lying about me, slanderously saying I believe the exact opposite of what I've been saying?

Everyone can read the last several pages and see how you keep lying.

How you have not answered anything I have asked, how I have posted scripture after scripture and you have not given any, nor responded to any, but pour out false accusations continually towards me.

Why do you act like this, Sam?

 

[posthuman]

I pray that God ministers to friends of mine to bring them to the cross to see the love of God and to be strengthened by God's love for them so that they can make the decision to accept the atonement that Yeshua did on the cross and to serve God in Yeshua.

John 6:37
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.


who is it that comes to Him, Sam?
What does the scripture say?
So what are you asking God to do, Sam?
To give this person to the Son, right?
Because if you were praying that this person would give themselves, with God not intervening, you would not be praying to God but to that person, right?
And you would not be praying according to what the word of the Lord is in that case, would you?

 

[posthuman]

you pull verses out of context

I have quoted, cited and alluded to quite a lot of scripture. Kindly tell us what you think is out of context, what you think the right context is, and why my citing it is wrong.

 

[posthuman]

Just want to make myself clear, I do not believe in the calvinism doctrine

I am not a calvinist either.

Who cares.

What does scripture say?

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

I am not slandering you, but I have no problem pointing out distorted doctrine.

I sincerely apologize, I am just receiving so man response, sometimes I have to go back to see who I am responding to (seriously). Now, with this post I won't make this mistake again, again I sincerely apologize. Can you send me an email on this site?

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

I am not a calvinist either.

Who cares.

What does scripture say?

As I stated, I don't care about arminism or calvinism as long as God's word is not being distorted and most important that one has a personal relationship with God in Yeshua. Where are you located at?

 

[posthuman]

it's exactly the opposite

How so?

I keep saying we all have a choice, he keeps saying I believe we don't.

I keep saying God doesn't desire to damn anyone; he keeps saying I believe He does.

I keep saying I am not a calvinist, you keep saying I am.

You keep saying I make things personal, you don't talk about scripture; you're always personally attacking me.

These are the facts.

A false witness pours out lies.

 

[posthuman]

As I stated, I don't care about arminism or calvinism as long as God's word is not being distorted and most important that one has a personal relationship with God in Yeshua. Where are you located at?

Yeah me either.

What does scripture say?
You got any thoughts on all the scripture I've reminded you of?
You ever going to post any yourself?
You ever going to explain why anything I've quoted is out of context, or just say so?
You going to go by what I've actually said or keep lying about me?
You ever going to tell me whether you believe in universalism or not? Or answer any of my questions at all?

Thanks.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

I have quoted, cited and alluded to quite a lot of scripture. Kindly tell us what you think is out of context, what you think the right context is, and why my citing it is wrong.

My previous emails I apologize and I cannot recall the past emails. But you are correct, when they do not respond accordingly, all they do is pull verses out of context so fit their view. Today I wrote one Abraham, God called him and he responded. Same with man, no man seeks God, no, not one, but the Spirit of God reaches out to man with the Gospel of Salvation igniting many to respond, man decides to accept the atonement and serve or reject it, but to say that God damns to eternal damnation is making God a terrible God. God is sovereign and his sovereignty brings about mercy and love, his love attracts.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

How so?

I keep saying we all have a choice, he keeps saying I believe we don't.

I keep saying God doesn't desire to damn anyone; he keeps saying I believe He does.

I keep saying I am not a calvinist, you keep saying I am.

You keep saying I make things personal, you don't talk about scripture; you're always personally attacking me.

These are the facts.

A false witness pours out lies.

look, I do not wish to engage you for the reasons I already stated

to be fair, I am answering you anyway

I don't like calling people liars and I don't like reading where other people are calling people liars

this is supposed to be a Christian forum

to be sure I cannot abide the Calvin doctrine and yada yada yada you are not a Calvinist etc...but you certainly exemplify a good amount of Calvin's doctrine into your beliefs and that's fine if you want to do that

BUT

you are obviously angry when people disagree with you. you accuse others of lying while doing it yourself

you have twisted what I have said and you do the same to others on a consistent basis

a Calvinist believes people are either chosen for heaven or created to go to hell. GOOD if that is not something you believe. really! good! I have asked multiple times why Calvinists would believe such tripe when God is clear He made the lake of fire for the devil and the devil's angels

all I get is crickets chirping. they have no answer because they have no answer because they are wrong and therefore have no answer. hope that was clear haha

as for calling you a Calvinist, I stopped that some time back thank you very much so get off that wild bucking bronco

you do have certain aspects of what you say you believe that are totally Calvinistic so that is prob what he sees and for sure that is what I saw

honey...you absolutely DO make things personal but I am pretty much convinced you are blind to that fact

and sorry, but it would be an absolute lie to state I do not use scripture. anyone could tell you that

you don't talk about scripture; you're always personally attacking me.

These are the facts.

no. those are not the facts

I am sorry, really and honestly, that is how you perceive them

over 'n out

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

How so?

I keep saying we all have a choice, he keeps saying I believe we don't.

I keep saying God doesn't desire to damn anyone; he keeps saying I believe He does.

I keep saying I am not a calvinist, you keep saying I am.

You keep saying I make things personal, you don't talk about scripture; you're always personally attacking me.

These are the facts.

A false witness pours out lies.

This appears to be the problem... I see one name on the side and one name above, so it is my honest mistake, nothing to do with lying, why would I want to lie? If you do not want to accept my apology that I honestly and mostly made a mistake you do not have to, this is between me and God, all I know is that now I know what you believe and I have to me more careful to see who responded.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I apologize for not answering, I was responding to one of you statements, I went back to read it and responded accordingly, but I will also post it below...

In answer Romans 3: 10,11,12, The Scriptures is correct that there is none righteous, no, not one: there is none that understands, and there is none that seeks God. For this reason God has to reach out just like when he reached out to Abraham, then Moses, given man the law to do that with is right before God and Zachariah and Elizabeth were examples, they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless, which is what the Scriptures tell us. So, they were seeking God, walking in a righteous manner from God because God established laws that they were obedience to, they decided to put their trust I God, just like Abraham was called and responded. God calls and man response, all through the Scriptures we can see this.

Yes, the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God and verse 10 clearly states that God reveals by his Spirit, but what we are talking about is a decision that one makes in serving God. God reveals to one the truth of the Gospel, what Yeshua did for mankind on the cross and offering the gift of salvation, but man makes the decisions, but what is most important in man's decision is for man not to resist the conviction that the Spirit of God brings upon them.

So, if man accepts the atonement that Yeshua did on the cross, making the decision to serve God, he gives God the glory for saving him through faith, glorifying and thanking God that the Spirit of God and Truth ministered to them the Gospel of Salvation, strengthening them to make the decision to serve God that ultimately will bring the Glory to God. If you read II Kings 17, when I read several times last week because it was so much there to absorb, you can see that God told them many things he did for them and in all they turned against God, deliberately provoking God to anger and prior to God removing them out of his sight they decided to rebel against God so that they can serve gods made by the hands of man, gods who do not exist.

Respectfully, I am a little confused about your statement. You say that "the scripture is correct that there is none that seeks God" Yet you say that "the prophets of old, Abraham, Moses, Zachariah and Elizabeth, were seeking God. I understand the scriptures to teach that before any of the "none that would seek him" would turn toward seeking him, that they would first have to be regenerated by God and given the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The Godly people in the old testament were born again in the same manner as all who are born again and given the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Isaiah 63:11, Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that "put his Holy Spirit within him"? The reason that I do not consult other men's interpretation of the scriptures is because I believe scripture proves scripture and they should harmonize. I do not claim to be able to make all scriptures harmonise because there is some scriptures that I can not understand well enough to harmonize, but I know that they should. Can you enlighten me on my confusion? You, also, state that "What is most important in man's (I am assuming that you mean the natural man,before regeneration) decision is for man not to resist the conviction that the Spirit of God brings upon them". It is my understanding that the scriptures teach that the heart of stone that the unregenerate man has will resist the Holy Spirit due to the fact that he can not discern the things of the Spirit, 1 Cor 2:14. The regenerated fleshy heart will accept the pricking of the Holy Spirit. I am not affirming that my understand is correct, but it seems to harmonize with the scriptures. I do appreciate you taking the time to discuss the scriptures with me.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

FGC believes that the true Gospel is a Gospel of works, and that believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is a work. That's because of his own warped theology, which he refuses to abandon.

I am not sure what feedback you are looking for from Luke 24:44, but in that verse the Risen Lord was telling the apostles (A) that the entire Old Testament testifies of Him and (B) that the Hebrew Tanakh consists of (1) The Law of Moses, (2) The Prophets, and (3) the Psalms. Those are the three major divisions of the Hebrew Bible, which consists of only 24 books.

If you are going to quote me, QUOTE ME CORRECTLY. I do not believe that "THE TRUE GOSPEL IS A GOSPEL OF WORKS". I am asserting that other people on this forum do, such as yourself.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

I will make it clearer...

* Because sin separates man from God, no man seeks God, no, not one, which we both agree with.

* God is absolutely sovereign, which we both agree with.

* Being that man does not seek God, God has to reach out to us, which you probably agree with me.

* God being sovereign, in his sovereignty his mercy and love reaches out to man and through the Holy Spirit the Gospel of Salvation is brought forth quickening the man to see the love that God demonstrated for them on the cross. The quickening causes man to respond to the acceptance of the gift of salvation that God offers at no cost, neither by any work. In other words, the Spirit of God opens the eyes of man so see the love of God and if man respond by accepting it, he yield to the message that the Spirit of God delivered to him, he made the decision to serve God by him being quickened. Abraham was not seeking God, God called him and Abraham responded by accepting the call, in the same manner, God calls man unto salvation, man respond to accept or not accept, man decide. Calvinism are so extreme that they say God cannot be sovereign if man has to respond with a decision, what they do not realize what they are doing is removing the strength of the love of God that he demonstrated on the cross. The fact is that God's mercy and love toward man does not remove his sovereignty and neither does a man's decision removes God's sovereignty.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

If you are going to quote me, QUOTE ME CORRECTLY. I do not believe that "THE TRUE GOSPEL IS A GOSPEL OF WORKS". I am asserting that other people on this forum do, such as yourself.

Forrest read Luke 24:44 carefully because it appears that nehemiah is not understand what it is saying, maybe he honestly missed a word. Yeshua saidto his disciple... these are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you (past tense), that all things must be fulfilled (which indicate all things are not yet fulfilled), which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Luke 24:44 is clearing stating that all things are not yet fulfilled.

I think when one is responding to what some said, it should say the person name who is responding, I think that is the confusion. I mistakenly responded wrongly to posthuman, it was an honest mistake.