Is the great biblical flood real or not?

[Inquistor]

Making a "mockery" of God's Word IMO is whenever mankind takes scripture and either adds, subtracts or rearranges to suit their interpretation or gives credence to their own personal stance. I take scripture as it is written. The how and the why is of no importance to me.

Very interesting! So how do you take THIS SCRIPTURE as it is written, and written in WHAT VERSION?

1 John 5:7


New International Version
For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses--

English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

Berean Study Bible
For there are three that testify:

Berean Literal Bible
For there are three bearing testimony:

New American Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

King James Bible
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

International Standard Version
For there are three witnesses —

NET Bible
For there are three that testify,

New Heart English Bible
For there are three who testify:

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And The Spirit testifies because The Spirit is the truth.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
There are three witnesses:

New American Standard 1977
And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

King James 2000 Bible
For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.

American King James Version
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

American Standard Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.

Darby Bible Translation
For they that bear witness are three:

English Revised Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Webster's Bible Translation
For there are three that bear testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.

Weymouth New Testament
For there are three that give testimony-- the Spirit, the water, and the blood;

World English Bible
For there are three who testify:

Young's Literal Translation
because three are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these -- the three -- are one;

 

[trofimus]

The point is that totally unrelated flood stories are not evidence for a flood that did not occur.

How can you prove that these stories are totally unrelated? Differences in details or even mythological influences do not say its a different event.

If they include some kind of boat, some kind of person who survived (with family) and all other died, some deity involved, its quite obviously the same event.

Yes, some primitive nations can make it much like free fantasy story, but its understandable.

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P.S. I do not say that the flood had to be planetary. I think it had to be universal, i.e. all later humanity came from the survivors.

The Book of Genesis was translated into Chinese at least as early as 781 CE.

But Chinese "letters" are much older.

 

[Inquistor]

P.S. I do not say that the flood had to be planetary. I think it had to be universal, i.e. all later humanity came from the survivors.

So, you don't think the flood was planetary (over all the earth)? Which flood are you referring to ... the one evident from Genesis 1:2?


Genesis 7:19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.

 

[Inquistor]

So, you don't think the flood was planetary (over all the earth)? Which flood are you referring to ... the one evident from Genesis 1:2?


Genesis 7:19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.

19The water prevailed more and more upon the earth, so that all the high mountains everywhere under the heavens were covered. 20The water prevailed fifteencubits higher, and the mountains were covered. 21All flesh that moved on the earth perished, birds and cattle and beasts and every swarming thing that swarms upon the earth, and all mankind;…

 

[Magenta]

Simple answers to complex questions are seldom—if ever—the correct answers.

Occam's Razor prefers simplicity in the scientific method; simpler theories are preferable to more complex ones because they are more testable. Aristotle (384–322 BC) wrote in his Posterior Analytics, "We may assume the superiority ceteris paribus [other things being equal] of the demonstration which derives from fewer postulates or hypotheses." Ptolemy (c. AD 90 – c. AD 168) stated, "We consider it a good principle to explain the phenomena by the simplest hypothesis possible."

 

[tourist]

Making a "mockery" of God's Word IMO is whenever mankind takes scripture and either adds, subtracts or rearranges to suit their interpretation or gives credence to their own personal stance. I take scripture as it is written. The how and the why is of no importance to me.

That's called wresting scripture.

 

[tourist]

Scripture tells us there was a flood over the whole earth and that it destroyed all in existence except Noah and his family and the animals he brought into the ark. I will go with that one.

That floats my boat too.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Are some people really so naïve that they do not understand the difference between what the Bible says, and their personal interpretation of it—or are they using a terribly dishonest argument to defend their personal interpretation of the Bible?

Yet you seem to be relying thoroughly on your own personal interpretation.

 

[Inquistor]

Occam's Razor prefers simplicity in the scientific method; simpler theories are preferable to more complex ones because they are more testable. Aristotle (384–322 BC) wrote in his Posterior Analytics, "We may assume the superiority ceteris paribus [other things being equal] of the demonstration which derives from fewer postulates or hypotheses." Ptolemy (c. AD 90 – c. AD 168) stated, "We consider it a good principle to explain the phenomena by the simplest hypothesis possible."

Oh, now I get it! So, apparently (you are saying) there is no God, and mankind evolved from apes, who evolved from the primordial slime from which LIFE sprang in the first place! I guess the bible (all versions) are simply childhood fairy tales, right?

 

[Inquistor]

Though the bible would say differently,

About WHICH flood ... the one evidenced by Genesis 1:2, or Noah's flood roughly 5,000 years ago?

 

[Zen]

About WHICH flood ... the one evidenced by Genesis 1:2, or Noah's flood roughly 5,000 years ago?

Genesis 1:2 wasn't a flood.

 

[Magenta]

Oh, now I get it! So, apparently (you are saying) there is no God, and mankind evolved from apes, who evolved from the primordial slime from which LIFE sprang in the first place! I guess the bible (all versions) are simply childhood fairy tales, right?

Did you have too much rum in your egg nog? Perhaps you need to sleep it off

 

[Inquistor]

Did you have too much rum in your egg nog? Perhaps you need to sleep it off

No, my egg nog did not run because I was careful when I poured it. But I am low on it now, so I may take a RUM down to the grocery store, to get some more!

 

[Inquistor]

Genesis 1:2 wasn't a flood.

God called the earth "dry land," yet according to Genesis 1:2, it was dark, and there was water instead of dry land! How many MONTHS did it take for the waters of Noah's flood to recede? It's clear in the applicable scriptures! Yet, there was ANOTHER FLOOD, after which God REBUKED the water, and it vanished very quickly! How do you explain that?


Psalm 104:7 But at your rebuke the waters fled, at the sound of your thunder they took to flight;

 

[Magenta]

About WHICH flood ... the one evidenced by Genesis 1:2, or Noah's flood roughly 5,000 years ago?

The flood that was sent to wipe evil from the face of the earth, of course. People did not tell of their ancestors experiencing a flood before mankind ever walked this world.

 

[OtherWay210]

The flood is 100% real. Reasonably there is only question as to how big it was, was it local to that region , or world wide.
I believe the flood of Noah's time was regional . Which would still have been a massive flood if you consider the topography of the area for a idea of where it mainly effected.

So i do not believe it was world wide. Due to how the Hebrew can be used in the surrounding chapters, and the fact the flood was used to accomplish a specific goal ...

 

[Sagart]

Do you also know, with absolute certainty, that mankind came from evolutionary processes ... springing forth from APES?

No! I am not at all certain of that.

 

[Sagart]

How can you prove that these stories are totally unrelated? Differences in details or even mythological influences do not say its a different event.

The differences are major rather than minor!

But Chinese "letters" are much older.

Noah is an adaptation of Noach, a transliteration of the Hebrew word, נוֹתִ meaning ‘rest,’ ‘consolation’ or ‘peace.’ It probably came into the Hebrew language from the Babylonian or Assyrian languages. Since it was not originally a proper noun, the ancient Chinese people could very easily use the Chinese word for ‘rest’ to translate the Hebrew word נוֹתִ.

 

[Sagart]

Yet you seem to be relying thoroughly on your own personal interpretation.

The truth is that I am relying upon incontrovertible, extensively documented facts from the Hebrew text of Genesis 1-11, Hebrew lexicography, genre analysis, ancient Hebrew cosmology, the culture of the ancient Hebrew people, physics, chemistry, structural engineering, geology, zoology, botany, ecology, habitat restoration, the biology of natural populations, and numerous other fields of study.

 

[trofimus]

So, you don't think the flood was planetary (over all the earth)? Which flood are you referring to ... the one evident from Genesis 1:2?


Genesis 7:19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.

Its written from the human of those time perspective, not from the orbital station in the 21st century perspective.