Is the great biblical flood real or not?

[trofimus]

The differences are major rather than minor!

Again, till it bears at least some boat (possibly with animals), one/few survivors of all humanity and deity involved, its the same event. It will of course differ in how many days, names, what/who was the deity etc. Some primitive nations can add mythology into the story, too.

Noah is an adaptation of Noach, a transliteration of the Hebrew word, נוֹתִ meaning ‘rest,’ ‘consolation’ or ‘peace.’ It probably came into the Hebrew language from the Babylonian or Assyrian languages. Since it was not originally a proper noun, the ancient Chinese people could very easily use the Chinese word for ‘rest’ to translate the Hebrew word נוֹתִ.

I do not know about the word "rest". But if you watched the videos, almost the whole pre-Jewish Genesis is encrypted in Chinese language.

 

[Inquistor]

The flood that was sent to wipe evil from the face of the earth, of course. People did not tell of their ancestors experiencing a flood before mankind ever walked this world.

Perhaps this presentation will remove the blinders from your eyes! It is a scriptural examination of the DIFFERENCES between the TWO KILLER FLOODS on the earth!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9NzidtayKo

 

[Inquistor]

Has anyone of this forum ever wondered HOW gigantic images (such as the one linked below) were FORMED on the surface of the earth?


Nazca Lines Google Earth - Aquiziam

 

[Inquistor]

How long ago did Noah build his ark? Perhaps around 5,000 years ago? Here is a link to earth history which goes back ANOTHER 10,000 years before Noah!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkkqiFN-gi4

 

[trofimus]

Here is a link to earth history which goes back ANOTHER 10,000 years before Noah!

Which proves that something is wrong.

 

[Inquistor]

Which proves that something is wrong.

Yes, indeed something is wrong! What is WRONG is the "young earth theory!"


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[Magenta]

Perhaps this presentation will remove the blinders from your eyes! It is a scriptural examination of the DIFFERENCES between the TWO KILLER FLOODS on the earth!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9NzidtayKo

You seem to be suggesting that when the earth was said to be formless and void, that there had previously been life on the planet before it is said that God created life on the planet. That is a huge assumption to make on your part, and on the part of the maker of the video you promote. Charles Capp (the video presenter) also says the earth was created as dry land, but that is another huge assumption to make, and it is not what Scripture says at all. Of course, you are free to believe that there was an infinite (?) regress of God creating the heavens and the earth, but that is not what Scripture teaches, either. Conclusion: your beliefs are not Scriptural.

 

[Inquistor]

You seem to be suggesting that when the earth was said to be formless and void, that there had previously been life on the planet before it is said that God created life on the planet. That is a huge assumption to make on your part, and on the part of the maker of the video you promote. Charles Capp (the video presenter) also says the earth was created as dry land, but that is another huge assumption to make, and it is not what Scripture says at all. Of course, you are free to believe that there was an infinite (?) regress of God creating the heavens and the earth, but that is not what Scripture teaches, either. Conclusion: your beliefs are not Scriptural.

What EARTH YEAR was the bible talking about, where it says, "Oh Lucifer, Son of the Morning, how art thou fallen from heaven..."?


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[Inquistor]

What EARTH YEAR was the bible talking about, where it says, "Oh Lucifer, Son of the Morning, how art thou fallen from heaven..."?

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Something amazing has been discovered in an area of South Africa, about 150 miles inland, west of the port of Maputo. It is the remains of a huge metropolis that measures, in conservative estimates, about 1500 square miles. It's part of an even larger community that is about 10,000 square miles and appears to have been constructed -- are you ready -- from 160,000 to 200,000 BCE!

Was Lucifer not in the Garden of Eden, with Eve, whom he tempted? How did he get there, and why was he in the body of a serpent? Was he a disembodied spirit already?

 

[Magenta]

What EARTH YEAR was the bible talking about, where it says, "Oh Lucifer, Son of the Morning, how art thou fallen from heaven..."?

Göbekli Tepe: 12,000 Years Old Temple | Humans Are Free

Something amazing has been discovered in an area of South Africa, about 150 miles inland, west of the port of Maputo. It is the remains of a huge metropolis that measures, in conservative estimates, about 1500 square miles. It's part of an even larger community that is about 10,000 square miles and appears to have been constructed -- are you ready -- from 160,000 to 200,000 BCE!

Do you believe that there was life on earth that was wiped out by a flood previous to the creation of Adam and Eve? If that is what you are promoting, there is no Biblical basis for it. Please note, I am not saying it is wrong to believe that, but since this is the Bible Discussion Forum, this may not be the proper place to be trying to discuss such things.

 

[JaumeJ]

Is the Bible riddled with lies?

Is the Almighty Maker of all that is incapable of maintaining the truth in the Word He has given us, inspite of the meddling of men?

What other untruths have beenrevealed about this Book?

No, if God says it, I believe it, and that settles it (from a bumper sticker.)

 

[Sagart]

Again, till it bears at least some boat (possibly with animals), one/few survivors of all humanity and deity involved, its the same event. It will of course differ in how many days, names, what/who was the deity etc. Some primitive nations can add mythology into the story, too.

I have read the stories and studies of them by cultural anthropologists who specialize in ancient cultures. None of these anthropologists believe that the stories originated from the same events. They are ALL independent of each other!

I do not know about the word "rest". But if you watched the videos, almost the whole pre-Jewish Genesis is encrypted in Chinese language.

I did watch the video, and all that it shows is that some ancient Chinese people were familiar with the Book of Genesis.

 

[Sagart]

Is the Bible riddled with lies?

Is the Almighty Maker of all that is incapable of maintaining the truth in the Word He has given us, inspite of the meddling of men?

What other untruths have beenrevealed about this Book?

No, if God says it, I believe it, and that settles it (from a bumper sticker.)

The Bible is not riddled with lies; but the Church is riddled with people who have never read Genesis in the language in which it was given to us by God. The Bible is not riddled with lies; but the Church is riddled with people who have never even considered the fact that Genesis 1-11 is written in a genre of literature that is unique to the Bible, but which has characteristics of literature written in the genres of epics, sagas, myths, and legends. As I wrote earlier in this thread,

The men whom God chose to pen the Scriptures were real people in every respect—real people with their own vocabulary, real people with their own cultural background—and the realness of the people whom God chose to pen the Scriptures became a part of the Scriptures. In Genesis 1-11, we find the cultural belief of the cosmos held by the ancient Hebrew people to be the framework in which the story of the flood is told. Indeed, the reality of the flood is absolutely dependent upon the earth being flat and covered by an extremely strong “dome” (Hebrew = רָקִיעַ [râqı̂ya‛]) that, as the story goes, God made “and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome.” The reality of the flood is absolutely dependent upon the earth being flat and covered by an extremely strong “dome” because, as the story goes, the “dome” held back a massive amount of water until the time of the flood. Since the reality of the flood is dependent upon the earth being flat and covered by a “dome,” the reality of the earth being round without a dome over it completely negates the possibility of the flood having occurred.

 

[trofimus]

I have read the stories and studies of them by cultural anthropologists who specialize in ancient cultures. None of these anthropologists believe that the stories originated from the same events. They are ALL independent of each other!

"The first race of people was completely destroyed because they were exceedingly wicked. The fountains of the deep opened, the rain fell in torrents, and the rivers and seas rose to cover the earth, killing all of them. Deucalion survived due to his prudence and piety and linked the first and second race of men. Onto a great ark he loaded his wives and children and all animals. The animals came to him, and by God's help, remained friendly for the duration of the flood. The flood waters escaped down a chasm opened in Hierapolis."
(Greek flood myth)


"God told Noj to build a ship. The devil tempted his wife to find out what he was building in the forest. When the devil found out, he destroyed by night what Noj built by day, so the boat was not completed when the flood came. God was forced to send down an iron vessel in which Noj, his wife and family, and all kinds of animals were saved."
(Eastern Siberia)

"From his heavenly window, the supreme god Pramzimas saw nothing but war and injustice among mankind. He sent two giants, Wandu and Wejas (water and wind), to destroy earth. After twenty days and nights, little was left. Pramzimas looked to see the progress. He happened to be eating nuts at the time, and he threw down the shells. One happened to land on the peak of the tallest mountain, where some people and animals had sought refuge. Everybody climbed in and survived the flood floating in the nutshell. God's wrath abated, he ordered the wind and water to abate. The people dispersed, except for one elderly couple who stayed where they landed. To comfort them, God sent the rainbow and advised them to jump over the bones of the earth nine times. They did so, and up sprang nine other couples, from which the nine Lithuanian tribes descended."
(Lithuania)

"In primeval times, men were wicked. The patriarch Tse-gu-dzih sent a messenger down to earth, asking for some flesh and blood from a mortal. Only one man, Du-mu, complied. In wrath, Tse-gu-dzih locked the rain-gates, and the waters mounted to the sky. Du-mu was saved in a log hollowed out of a Pieris tree, together with his four sons and otters, wild ducks, and lampreys. The civilized peoples who can write are descended from the sons; the ignorant races are descendants of wooden figures whom Du-mu constructed after the deluge."
(Southwestern China)

Flood Stories from Around the World

Etc, etc.

Indepedent? Yes.

About the same event? Yes.

I did watch the video, and all that it shows is that some ancient Chinese people were familiar with the Book of Genesis.

Not just "some people", but also the ones making Chinese signs. Which is quite impossible and improbable. Even when they were familiar with some Jewish writings in ancient China, why would they take it so seriously and incorporated it into their language.

 

[oldethennew]

GEN. 8:21.
And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground
any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again
smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Do you believe that there was life on earth that was wiped out by a flood previous to the creation of Adam and Eve? If that is what you are promoting, there is no Biblical basis for it. Please note, I am not saying it is wrong to believe that, but since this is the Bible Discussion Forum, this may not be the proper place to be trying to discuss such things.

The Gap Theory they call it. I'm not convinced myself but it is the belief of some Christians. It isn't new. It's based on Genesis 1

Genesis 1:2. “The earth was without form, and void.” It is suggested that the Hebrew word hâyâh (היה), usually translated “was,” could be translated as “became.” So the verse would read: “The earth became without form and void.”

It seems to me like you can make up anything you like to fit in the middle. They call it "science"

If you can't find the evidence to back up your theory you can always invent dark matter or something.

 

[trofimus]

Yes, indeed something is wrong! What is WRONG is the "young earth theory!"

OK, I am neither a young earth nor a gap theory proponent.

 

[Zen]

God called the earth "dry land," yet according to Genesis 1:2, it was dark, and there was water instead of dry land! How many MONTHS did it take for the waters of Noah's flood to recede? It's clear in the applicable scriptures! Yet, there was ANOTHER FLOOD, after which God REBUKED the water, and it vanished very quickly! How do you explain that?


Psalm 104:7 But at your rebuke the waters fled, at the sound of your thunder they took to flight;

Just read Genesis 1, it tells you quite clearly what happened. There was no flood in the beginning of creation.

 

[oldethennew]

The Gap Theory they call it. I'm not convinced myself but it is the belief of some Christians. It isn't new. It's based on Genesis 1

Genesis 1:2. “The earth was without form, and void.” It is suggested that the Hebrew word hâyâh (היה), usually translated “was,” could be translated as “became.” So the verse would read: “The earth became without form and void.”

It seems to me like you can make up anything you like to fit in the middle. They call it "science"

If you can't find the evidence to back up your theory you can always invent dark matter or something.

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[BillG]

The Gap Theory they call it. I'm not convinced myself but it is the belief of some Christians. It isn't new. It's based on Genesis 1

Genesis 1:2. “The earth was without form, and void.” It is suggested that the Hebrew word hâyâh (היה), usually translated “was,” could be translated as “became.” So the verse would read: “The earth became without form and void.”

It seems to me like you can make up anything you like to fit in the middle. They call it "science"

If you can't find the evidence to back up your theory you can always invent dark matter or something.

I think the issue is that science is being used to discredit the Bible and it seems that we can't defend the Bible because it had no science in it.
Therefore we limit God to what we know now according to science rather than believe that science as we understand it is actually limited because God is the creator of science.

Whilst the Bible is not a science book it is scientifically accurate.

You only have to read one of the oldest books in the Bible Job.

Just one snippet

Job 26:7-8
7 He stretches out the north over empty space;
He hangs the earth on nothing.
8 He binds up the water in His thick clouds,
Yet the clouds are not broken under it.

We see a lot more in Job 38.

It seems to me that today the focus is not science but using it to deny a creator.

The reason is that science can't explain that something came out of nothing. There was something but no idea why it was there.
So this is our theory and it does not equate to a creator because a creator does not exist.