Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?
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lol..
The problem with the church is it wants tradition and meaningless repetition. and does not want a relationship with God.
I grew up steeped in the deep religion, the deep repetition, and the deep conviction that doing these things made you holy.
The NT shows these things do not make us holy, nor do they bring us closer to God. God only gave two traditions in the NT. He replaced the feast of unleavened bread with the Lords supper. Remembering our deliverance from the slaver of sin is way more important than remembering the freedom from egypt!, All that did was show How god gave us the savior through jacob.. Thats why we do not remember this anymore. Jews do not have a need to remember either. Freedom from egypt has no bearing on their eternity.
As for the other stuff. We have a biblical history of people doing these ritual and tradition in the right frame of mind, and knowing they did nto save them. Only to cause MANY to turn these things into a salvic issue. Why do we need messiah when he have these ritual and tradition and LAW which makes us holy. WHy do you think they jews rejected Christ as their messiah in the first place? They did not think they needed an eternal savior. they needed a secular savor to free them from their enemies.
Mark my word, this will happen again.
Finally, where do you think these 200 denominations come from? Different was of doing things, Taking tradition, putting your own mix on them, and forming your own group. Thats the issue with tradition and religion. Look how many different types of jewish religions there were in the time of Christ.?
The problem with the church is it wants tradition and meaningless repetition. and does not want a relationship with God.
I grew up steeped in the deep religion, the deep repetition, and the deep conviction that doing these things made you holy.
The NT shows these things do not make us holy, nor do they bring us closer to God. God only gave two traditions in the NT. He replaced the feast of unleavened bread with the Lords supper. Remembering our deliverance from the slaver of sin is way more important than remembering the freedom from egypt!, All that did was show How god gave us the savior through jacob.. Thats why we do not remember this anymore. Jews do not have a need to remember either. Freedom from egypt has no bearing on their eternity.
As for the other stuff. We have a biblical history of people doing these ritual and tradition in the right frame of mind, and knowing they did nto save them. Only to cause MANY to turn these things into a salvic issue. Why do we need messiah when he have these ritual and tradition and LAW which makes us holy. WHy do you think they jews rejected Christ as their messiah in the first place? They did not think they needed an eternal savior. they needed a secular savor to free them from their enemies.
Mark my word, this will happen again.
Finally, where do you think these 200 denominations come from? Different was of doing things, Taking tradition, putting your own mix on them, and forming your own group. Thats the issue with tradition and religion. Look how many different types of jewish religions there were in the time of Christ.?
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ALL the law has been fulfilled and should no longer be practiced. Why go back to the old way when it never saved us to begin with. The whole book of hebrews was written warning about returning to tradition and things which could never take away sin.
It is one thing to learn them and understand what they meant, It is another to start practicing them again, Even if it is origionally started in the right frame of mind, again, Over and over, it get twisted and distorted to mean somethign else. And people get legalistic in these things. Satan loves it when people do this. It gives him such great amunition. And he has used this over and over again over the past 4000 years to his advantage!
It is one thing to learn them and understand what they meant, It is another to start practicing them again, Even if it is origionally started in the right frame of mind, again, Over and over, it get twisted and distorted to mean somethign else. And people get legalistic in these things. Satan loves it when people do this. It gives him such great amunition. And he has used this over and over again over the past 4000 years to his advantage!
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hi Shiloah.
personally i`m not interested in dialogue with Jack....i think i mentioned that earlier, yet he continues to post to me.
that`s fine.
just try to use your memory skills a little.
mine`s pretty good.
i collected a number of your previous posts, in context, in response to other posters thoughts and subjects.
quite something.
would you like to gaze into the mirror for a while...
why dont you start addressing the subjects at hand.
can you...i dont know.
by all accounts you are virtually unable to cope with theology proper.
but you have a busy thought life.
and lots of opinions.
and a big mouth.
im starting a WHAT IS JUDAISM thread.
it will by necessity cover the Hebrew Roots Movement
which will necessitate examining Dual Covenant Theology
which means we will have to look at the Noahide Laws.
please help out if you can.
if you cant, please refrain from posting.
personally i`m not interested in dialogue with Jack....i think i mentioned that earlier, yet he continues to post to me.
that`s fine.
just try to use your memory skills a little.
mine`s pretty good.
i collected a number of your previous posts, in context, in response to other posters thoughts and subjects.
quite something.
would you like to gaze into the mirror for a while...
why dont you start addressing the subjects at hand.
can you...i dont know.
by all accounts you are virtually unable to cope with theology proper.
but you have a busy thought life.
and lots of opinions.
and a big mouth.
im starting a WHAT IS JUDAISM thread.
it will by necessity cover the Hebrew Roots Movement
which will necessitate examining Dual Covenant Theology
which means we will have to look at the Noahide Laws.
please help out if you can.
if you cant, please refrain from posting.
I was saved in HS and had been a Christian for about 10 years when I started hearing about the Torah and the Hebrew Roots of Christianity. I started keeping the Sabbath and the Biblical Feast Days about 9 years ago. From there, I started eating kosher and working on some of the other Torah-based Instructions.
I've never put my hope of salvation in nothing less than the life, death and resurrection of Jesus/Yeshua. I'm not Jewish and I don't want to be Jewish. The reason I try to follow the Torah to the best of my ability is to lead a life that is as much of an example of my Savior and the life that He lived, and to walk in practical and physical obedience to the commands that He's set forth for His people to follow.
I've never put my hope of salvation in nothing less than the life, death and resurrection of Jesus/Yeshua. I'm not Jewish and I don't want to be Jewish. The reason I try to follow the Torah to the best of my ability is to lead a life that is as much of an example of my Savior and the life that He lived, and to walk in practical and physical obedience to the commands that He's set forth for His people to follow.
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Zone, I unblocked this one post because my curiosity overtook me. I'll not do that again. I won't answer again either, though I will say first it's hysterical that you accuse me of not staying on topic, when you're gross obsession with demonizing every Jew on this planet as well as anyone that ever speaks of them in a positive way is the only thing you post about. I haven't just seen this, I hear it from other members. I actually felt you were threatening me personally last night. By the way, I keep pepper spray on my night stand. lol. Though my husband keeps a AR15 propped against his side of the bed, so... just saying...
Yes, I'm sure you'll say something horrific back to me, but I won't be reading it. You provoke to the point I'm continually tempted to totally fall into the flesh. And I'll say this straight out. That kind of provocation does not come from the Holy Spirit. That comes straight out of the mouth of Satan.
Yes, I'm sure you'll say something horrific back to me, but I won't be reading it. You provoke to the point I'm continually tempted to totally fall into the flesh. And I'll say this straight out. That kind of provocation does not come from the Holy Spirit. That comes straight out of the mouth of Satan.
