Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?
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hi Matt.
where did Jesus teach about making sure there was no yeast in the house?
Matthew 16:12
Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
oops....
why on earth would i do that?
no, i haven't tried it.
i'd rather spend the time actually just reading and attending services and being fed by the word.
rummaging through my cupboards is a bit.....odd.
it was a type Matt.
i really don't see how it helps you.
do you think about all the sin you've committed through the week as you do it?
is that how it helps?
why not just confess your sins and be forgiven?
oh i understand.
it's a religious practice. a ritual.
it is a symbolic doing.
it has nothing to do with purging your life of sin - or the FALSE DOCTRINE of the Pharisees.
it's superstitious at this point, and a return to shadows.
it's risky for weak believers.
and really kind of ...well.....anyways.
this is true.
but you're advertising a closer walk with God, aren't you?
hmmm.....is God interested in yeast for baking?
Jesus Christ is a Real Person who came and accomplished all the things God USED to teach (Tutor) the israelites.
it seems silly.
says who?
Jesus commanded it directly under the New Covenant.
seriously?
are you really comparing packets of yeast (i imagine poor souls actually worrying about this eventually) with the Lord's Supper?
REALLY?
why celebrate Resurrection Sunday??????
really?
what NT rituals are you speaking of?
what risk?
i'm interested in this.
why recommend people be baptised?
where did Jesus teach about making sure there was no yeast in the house?
Matthew 16:12
Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
oops....
Have you ever tried it? As the old cliche goes, "Don't knock it until you try it"
no, i haven't tried it.
i'd rather spend the time actually just reading and attending services and being fed by the word.
rummaging through my cupboards is a bit.....odd.
it was a type Matt.
i really don't see how it helps you.
do you think about all the sin you've committed through the week as you do it?
is that how it helps?
why not just confess your sins and be forgiven?
oh i understand.
it's a religious practice. a ritual.
it is a symbolic doing.
it has nothing to do with purging your life of sin - or the FALSE DOCTRINE of the Pharisees.
it's superstitious at this point, and a return to shadows.
it's risky for weak believers.
and really kind of ...well.....anyways.
this is true.
but you're advertising a closer walk with God, aren't you?
hmmm.....is God interested in yeast for baking?
Jesus Christ is a Real Person who came and accomplished all the things God USED to teach (Tutor) the israelites.
it seems silly.
says who?
Jesus commanded it directly under the New Covenant.
seriously?
are you really comparing packets of yeast (i imagine poor souls actually worrying about this eventually) with the Lord's Supper?
REALLY?
why celebrate Resurrection Sunday??????
really?
what NT rituals are you speaking of?
what risk?
i'm interested in this.
why recommend people be baptised?
Worst case, dangerous; best case, a distraction. I don't worry about it because GOD is able to deliver his own. I speak from experience. At one time I attended messianic congregation and it made me feel good to immerse myself in Jewish things. A chief desire I had was to marry a Jewish woman and move to Israel. I even considered if I should get circumcised.
Long story, short... GOD opened my eyes and made me see how vain and stupid it all was. So GOD is able to deliver his own. He knows how children can stray. If their hearts are set on him, he will deliver...
I remember going back to that congregation years after I left it, and staying with someone from there. In the course of conversation something like this happened... I said to him, 'I thought you were Jewish'. He said to me, 'I thought you were Jewish'. I remember thinking at that moment how stupid the whole thing really was.
Long story, short... GOD opened my eyes and made me see how vain and stupid it all was. So GOD is able to deliver his own. He knows how children can stray. If their hearts are set on him, he will deliver...
I remember going back to that congregation years after I left it, and staying with someone from there. In the course of conversation something like this happened... I said to him, 'I thought you were Jewish'. He said to me, 'I thought you were Jewish'. I remember thinking at that moment how stupid the whole thing really was.
Matt, take it easy
you said : anyone who wants to really know what the HR movement is, ask away.
so i have asked.
i expressed my own concerns with the few things we discussed...and was about to post my thanks for the open dialogue, and that i saw ultimately no connection between the deeper cults within HR (which lead to renouncing Christ - evidence of which has been posted), and what you've posted so far.
i have serious concerns about this issue.
that's not news.
but thanks for the engagement.
you said : anyone who wants to really know what the HR movement is, ask away.
so i have asked.
i expressed my own concerns with the few things we discussed...and was about to post my thanks for the open dialogue, and that i saw ultimately no connection between the deeper cults within HR (which lead to renouncing Christ - evidence of which has been posted), and what you've posted so far.
i have serious concerns about this issue.
that's not news.
but thanks for the engagement.
Matt, take it easy
you said : anyone who wants to really know what the HR movement is, ask away.
so i have asked.
i expressed my own concerns with the few things we discussed...and was about to post my thanks for the open dialogue, and that i saw ultimately no connection between the deeper cults within HR (which lead to renouncing Christ - evidence of which has been posted), and what you've posted so far.
i have serious concerns about this issue.
that's not news.
but thanks for the engagement.
you said : anyone who wants to really know what the HR movement is, ask away.
so i have asked.
i expressed my own concerns with the few things we discussed...and was about to post my thanks for the open dialogue, and that i saw ultimately no connection between the deeper cults within HR (which lead to renouncing Christ - evidence of which has been posted), and what you've posted so far.
i have serious concerns about this issue.
that's not news.
but thanks for the engagement.
When I saw your statement about me "advertising a closer walk with God", it seems to me that you have completely missed the motivation behind everything I do.
And I guess that's the rub. If you think that all of the physical actions I do from the Torah are to elevate myself over those who don't, it won't matter how much I explain myself. If you can accept the fact that I don't believe any amount of obedience or disobedience I or anyone else does has an effect on salvation, then we'll understand each other a bit. But if that's something you can't see or can't believe, then we won't make much progress.
Blessings,
Matt
Angela, not a problem at all!
1 Peter 2:9-10 "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy."
1 Peter 2:9-10 "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy."
B
WELL!!!!! If Justme i did not care I would not have shown why faith in Christ Jesus beats the heck out of the law!! LOL A brother talked about still sinning and still working on his faith.No brother you are not working on anything except your unbelief of what Jesus has already done for each one of us!
For can one be saved in the first place without believing in all Jesus has already done in order to become saved by him???Well I believe,and not because I am so special or any of my works has got me there.When one believes in what Jesus has already done, the following is also set! (Eph 1:13-16) You see?? In Jesus we are already seated in the heavenly places!!( eph 2:4-10!!!)
The law has no part in this! Jesus is our Savior,the law brought sin consciousness!!! ( hebrews 10:2) Showing us we have to believe in Christ Jesus to be saved! You must not have read the scripture I had put up for you. SO!!! The question is this to me for all of you.
Does the law matter now to the believer? It has value only in this respect,before Jesus it was our guide line to realize we are sinful,after Jesus fulfilled the law and brought us a New Covenant,he did away with what we ourselves could never have done!! In Christ Jesus, and in Christ Jesus alone comes my salvation,I sure will not speak for anyone else!
I have no use for something that I am no longer under. but this is our choice! You can argue all you wish, as this will be my last comment on this matter.But I sure do see so many confused.My hope, is that in Christ Jesus i have helped at least some to take the new and drop the Old! Blessing all!!
For can one be saved in the first place without believing in all Jesus has already done in order to become saved by him???Well I believe,and not because I am so special or any of my works has got me there.When one believes in what Jesus has already done, the following is also set! (Eph 1:13-16) You see?? In Jesus we are already seated in the heavenly places!!( eph 2:4-10!!!)
The law has no part in this! Jesus is our Savior,the law brought sin consciousness!!! ( hebrews 10:2) Showing us we have to believe in Christ Jesus to be saved! You must not have read the scripture I had put up for you. SO!!! The question is this to me for all of you.
Does the law matter now to the believer? It has value only in this respect,before Jesus it was our guide line to realize we are sinful,after Jesus fulfilled the law and brought us a New Covenant,he did away with what we ourselves could never have done!! In Christ Jesus, and in Christ Jesus alone comes my salvation,I sure will not speak for anyone else!
I have no use for something that I am no longer under. but this is our choice! You can argue all you wish, as this will be my last comment on this matter.But I sure do see so many confused.My hope, is that in Christ Jesus i have helped at least some to take the new and drop the Old! Blessing all!!
Have you checked with the principles of God when you read all this into scripture. Your positives are right on, but those negatives are not from scripture. The new covenant is wonderful but God does not destroy, God is eternal and is the same as God was at creation, the principles of all the covenants are the same. Some applied only to the symbols of what was to come, but having the real thing doesn't make the symbols not symbols, it just makes them clearer with the real thing.
You are negative about the law. And you don't think you are negative about God? God is in the law. The 119th psalm is scripture that is truth, just as true as all scriptures about how the law doesn't kill us when we have Christ, etc. There were wonderful, God like, things that happened with law through the resurrection, but destruction of things of God was not part of the wonder.
God is not with you when you put down things of God, or when you say that God has destruction as part of who and what He is.
You are negative about the law. And you don't think you are negative about God? God is in the law. The 119th psalm is scripture that is truth, just as true as all scriptures about how the law doesn't kill us when we have Christ, etc. There were wonderful, God like, things that happened with law through the resurrection, but destruction of things of God was not part of the wonder.
God is not with you when you put down things of God, or when you say that God has destruction as part of who and what He is.
B
I am negative about the law brother because the law has no salvation to it! It cannot save,it has no grace,it was perfect!!I agree!! So perfect no one but Jesus himself could have ever fulfilled it! Now as a believer of what Jesus did!!! I am not under the law any longer!!
I will show you again bro!Rom 10:4!!!! For Christ IS THE END OF THE LAW for righteousness to EVERYONE!!! That is me bro who does what??? BELIEVE!!! I do believe bro!! If you do not then this is a problem I sure do not have! and you judge me??? careful brother!!! be oh so very careful!!! For from your false judgement you shall reap as well! Gal 6:7-10!!) We can agree to disagree brother,that is fine!
For here these words from the Lord!!( acts 5:38-39!!) I know who I am in Jesus brother! I have NO FEAR!! But for those who judge falsely upon the wisdom they do not have,they shall reap what they sow! By the way!! I forgive you !!
I will show you again bro!Rom 10:4!!!! For Christ IS THE END OF THE LAW for righteousness to EVERYONE!!! That is me bro who does what??? BELIEVE!!! I do believe bro!! If you do not then this is a problem I sure do not have! and you judge me??? careful brother!!! be oh so very careful!!! For from your false judgement you shall reap as well! Gal 6:7-10!!) We can agree to disagree brother,that is fine!
For here these words from the Lord!!( acts 5:38-39!!) I know who I am in Jesus brother! I have NO FEAR!! But for those who judge falsely upon the wisdom they do not have,they shall reap what they sow! By the way!! I forgive you !!