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Hizikyah

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Acts 10:17-20, "Now while Kepha was wondering within himself what this vision which he had seen meant, behold, the men who had been sent from Cornelius had asked where Simon's house was, and stood in front of the gate. They called out and asked whether Simon, whose surname was Kepha, was lodging there. Now while Kepha was thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him; Behold, three men seek you. Arise therefore, and go below and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them."

Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."
Prove to me the vision is only about gentiles?
What is the vision about?
What does kill and eat imply when applied to unclean animals?

Yes, it does apply to gentiles. It also applies to food, even if you can not see or understand that. What is the vision about?
Answer: The end to the concept of clean and unclean. It is another example of tearing down the old ways to make room for the new ways.
You notice how I use Acts 10 to prove Acts 10.
 
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danschance

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You notice how I use Acts 10 to prove Acts 10.
Yet you continuously ignore the incredibly obvious context of the vision.

Can I now kill and eat Gentiles with God's permission?
This is the clear out come of your very lopsided interpretation of this vision.

Are you claiming Jeffery Dahmer did God's will?

Explain to me what you think "Kill and eat" means after seeing a load of unclean animals means in your world?
 
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Hizikyah

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SO in Acts 10:17 Kepha does not know the meaning of the vision:

Originally Posted by Hizikyah


Acts 10:17-20, "Now while Kepha was wondering within himself what this vision which he had seen meant, behold, the men who had been sent from Cornelius had asked where Simon's house was, and stood in front of the gate. They called out and asked whether Simon, whose surname was Kepha, was lodging there. Now while Kepha was thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him; Behold, three men seek you. Arise therefore, and go below and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them."


How can you stop before Acts 10:17 and say you know the meaning when Kepha does not yet knw it AND THE SPIRIT HAS NOT EVEN REVEALED IT YET?



Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."
 
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danschance

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SO in Acts 10:17 Kepha does not know the meaning of the vision:

Originally Posted by Hizikyah


Acts 10:17-20, "Now while Kepha was wondering within himself what this vision which he had seen meant, behold, the men who had been sent from Cornelius had asked where Simon's house was, and stood in front of the gate. They called out and asked whether Simon, whose surname was Kepha, was lodging there. Now while Kepha was thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him; Behold, three men seek you. Arise therefore, and go below and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them."


How can you stop before Acts 10:17 and say you know the meaning when Kepha does not yet knw it AND THE SPIRIT HAS NOT EVEN REVEALED IT YET?



Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."
Answer my questions and stop reposting your same broken excuses.

1) What does Kill and eat mean after seeing a vision of unclean animals?
If it is ***ONLY*** about gentiles then it must be permissible to kill and eat them, according to your bankrupt interpretation.

2) Is it possible it applies to the concept of clean and unclean?
To the Jews, gentiles, forbidden animals and some Jews under some situations were called unclean. Is this not obvious that it is a clear end to the concept of unclean and clean?

P.S. I will repeat this as often as you falsely claim it it is only about gentiles.
 

Hizikyah

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Answer my questions and stop reposting your same broken excuses.

1) What does Kill and eat mean after seeing a vision of unclean animals?
If it is ***ONLY*** about gentiles then it must be permissible to kill and eat them, according to your bankrupt interpretation.

2) Is it possible it applies to the concept of clean and unclean?
To the Jews, gentiles, forbidden animals and some Jews under some situations were called unclean. Is this not obvious that it is a clear end to the concept of unclean and clean?

P.S. I will repeat this as often as you falsely claim it it is only about gentiles.
The vision is a metaphor just like the vision Yahchanan (John) has about the 7 headed beast is a metaphor.

If the meaning had not been literally revealed in the Scriptures, I may think the way you do, but it literally says, "while Kepha was thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him; Behold, three men seek you. Arise therefore, and go below and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them."That is why Kepha says, "but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

You disregard for what Scripture says is being more and more pronounced. Yet you seem to believe you have a better interpretation than the Spirit of Yahweh. Its ok to admit your wrong when your wrong, I will not mock you and you will be accepting a Scriptural truth. I have admitted when I have been proved wrong many times in my life, and its not fun at first but after time had passed there was comfort in truth.
 
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Are we now comparing apples to lizards? Are we really going to determine what a vision means by yet another vision??

You reject what I am saying? Fine, that is your choice. Many ignored what Jesus said too.
Could you, with knowing all the things you say you know, tell us why the food laws were given in the first place? It couldn't be based on healthful eating because it is stated that it isn't that goes into the mouth that counts but what comes out. God doesn't change his mind from one year to the next. So why were the food laws given in the first place, and why taken away?
 
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danschance

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The vision is a metaphor just like the vision Yahchanan (John) has about the 7 headed beast is a metaphor.

If the meaning had not been literally revealed in the Scriptures, I may think the way you do, but it literally says, "while Kepha was thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him; Behold, three men seek you. Arise therefore, and go below and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them."That is why Kepha says, "but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

You disregard for what Scripture says is being more and more pronounced. Yet you seem to believe you have a better interpretation than the Spirit of Yahweh. Its ok to admit your wrong when your wrong, I will not mock you and you will be accepting a Scriptural truth. I have admitted when I have been proved wrong many times in my life, and its not fun at first but after time had passed there was comfort in truth.
so u r claiming it is a metaphor for eating gentiles?really?

lol
 
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danschance

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Could you, with knowing all the things you say you know, tell us why the food laws were given in the first place? It couldn't be based on healthful eating because it is stated that it isn't that goes into the mouth that counts but what comes out. God doesn't change his mind from one year to the next. So why were the food laws given in the first place, and why taken away?
Beef is Kosher and my Doctor says it has too mach fat.

So much for the healthy argument.
 
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danschance

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The vision is a metaphor just like the vision Yahchanan (John) has about the 7 headed beast is a metaphor.

If the meaning had not been literally revealed in the Scriptures, I may think the way you do, but it literally says, "while Kepha was thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him; Behold, three men seek you. Arise therefore, and go below and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them."That is why Kepha says, "but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

You disregard for what Scripture says is being more and more pronounced. Yet you seem to believe you have a better interpretation than the Spirit of Yahweh. Its ok to admit your wrong when your wrong, I will not mock you and you will be accepting a Scriptural truth. I have admitted when I have been proved wrong many times in my life, and its not fun at first but after time had passed there was comfort in truth.

True to my promise:

1) What does Kill and eat mean after seeing a vision of unclean animals?
If it is ***ONLY*** about gentiles then it must be permissible to kill and eat them, according to your bankrupt interpretation.

2) Is it possible it applies to the concept of clean and unclean?
To the Jews, gentiles, forbidden animals and some Jews under some situations were called unclean. Is this not obvious that it is a clear end to the concept of unclean and clean?

P.S. I will repeat this as often as you falsely claim it it is only about gentiles.
 
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danschance

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The vision is a metaphor just like the vision Yahchanan (John) has about the 7 headed beast is a metaphor.

If the meaning had not been literally revealed in the Scriptures, I may think the way you do, but it literally says, "while Kepha was thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him; Behold, three men seek you. Arise therefore, and go below and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them."That is why Kepha says, "but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

You disregard for what Scripture says is being more and more pronounced. Yet you seem to believe you have a better interpretation than the Spirit of Yahweh. Its ok to admit your wrong when your wrong, I will not mock you and you will be accepting a Scriptural truth. I have admitted when I have been proved wrong many times in my life, and its not fun at first but after time had passed there was comfort in truth.
so u r claiming it is a metaphor for eating gentiles?really?

lol
 
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Beef is Kosher and my Doctor says it has too mach fat.

So much for the healthy argument.
My argument was that it couldn't be based on "too much fat" for scripture says it isn't what goes into the mouth that is looked at, so that takes care of too much fat. With your great knowledge, what was it? Your doctor to tell us about God? I wasn't arguing, I was asking.
 
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Larry_Stotle

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Those old covenant food laws belonged to the old covenant Israelites of pre-70AD, once the law was demolished back then those distinctives totally disappeared - the covenant having waxed old and decayed.

Even during the 1st century the Jewish believers came to understand that - the New man is not under the abolished OT feasts, days, food laws, circumcision etc.
 
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danschance

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Those old covenant food laws belonged to the old covenant Israelites of pre-70AD, once the law was demolished back then those distinctives totally disappeared - the covenant having waxed old and decayed.

Even during the 1st century the Jewish believers came to understand that - the New man is not under the abolished OT feasts, days, food laws, circumcision etc.
And Christians are free to eat as the please ever since. :cool:
 
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Kerry

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My argument was that it couldn't be based on "too much fat" for scripture says it isn't what goes into the mouth that is looked at, so that takes care of too much fat. With your great knowledge, what was it? Your doctor to tell us about God? I wasn't arguing, I was asking.
I like how they use NT verses to support the old law. but refuse to look at the NT passages that say's it's all in the work of the Cross.
 
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Kerry

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I meant, Jesus said unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.
 
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danschance

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My argument was that it couldn't be based on "too much fat" for scripture says it isn't what goes into the mouth that is looked at, so that takes care of too much fat. With your great knowledge, what was it? Your doctor to tell us about God? I wasn't arguing, I was asking.
Your argument was Kosher diet is a healthy diet. Yet it is not the healthiest diet. Try eating raw veggies only. That is a very healthy diet.

The Kosher diet is not based on health at all, though certainly God would not give the Jews an unhealthy diet. It is based on Jesus Christ. (See Col 2;16-17)
 
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And Christians are free to eat as the please ever since. :cool:
That wasn't the question at all. God had a reason to give them in the first place, why would God do that? "we are free to eat" is not in answer to that question.