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GraceAndTruth

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Thanks. Im not sure you know this but im not an enemy of yours. :D
I don't consider anyone on the forums as my personal "enemy".
I'm sure you realize, as I do, that forums are strange places.
However, thank you for not being my enemy. ;)
 

Lanolin

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I honestly believe there is NO SIN a Christian "couldn't do". Maybe the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. But i dont believe ANYONE can commit that sin today, because Jesus is not in the flesh on earth today.

Im much like the pharisees in one regard, in that on the outside if you look at my life you probably would think im a perfect Christian, you wouldnt catch me drinking, smoking, i try to be polite to people, I stand up when elderly enter the room, etc. etc.
But because of my past life in the mean-streets, my mind is still wicked as hell. I got no gripes about admitting that, but im trying im trying im trying.

I just feel like its A LOT easier to clean the outside (meaning to cease from CERTAIN sins, from PHYSICALLY doing them) than it is to clean the INSIDE (the mind I mean by this)

I would really appreciate if some of the brethren could give me some ADVICE on this
What...have you been baptised...I mean fully immersed. Washed clean inside and out. Do you know Jesus has sent his holy spirit to earth to dwell INSIDE us?
If you do not have the holy spirit, you need to ask God. Confess your sin and repent..we can pray for you to recieve.

The christian life isnt about trying to be polite and pretending. Its dying to self and living by faith. One cant do that by trying and trying....
 

Hevosmies

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What...have you been baptised...I mean fully immersed. Washed clean inside and out. Do you know Jesus has sent his holy spirit to earth to dwell INSIDE us?
If you do not have the holy spirit, you need to ask God. Confess your sin and repent..we can pray for you to recieve.

The christian life isnt about trying to be polite and pretending. Its dying to self and living by faith. One cant do that by trying and trying....
So you woudl consider trying your best 'pretending'? Not sure hey.
If I wasn't ever 'trying' anything I would be locked up for good.

I have been baptised by immersion yes.
 
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What...have you been baptised...I mean fully immersed. Washed clean inside and out.
Water baptism can not even wash the outside let alone the inside.

I have been spirit baptized by God himself, what paul calls the washing of regeneration in Titus 3.
 
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I honestly believe there is NO SIN a Christian "couldn't do". Maybe the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. But i dont believe ANYONE can commit that sin today, because Jesus is not in the flesh on earth today.

Im much like the pharisees in one regard, in that on the outside if you look at my life you probably would think im a perfect Christian, you wouldnt catch me drinking, smoking, i try to be polite to people, I stand up when elderly enter the room, etc. etc.
But because of my past life in the mean-streets, my mind is still wicked as hell. I got no gripes about admitting that, but im trying im trying im trying.

I just feel like its A LOT easier to clean the outside (meaning to cease from CERTAIN sins, from PHYSICALLY doing them) than it is to clean the INSIDE (the mind I mean by this)

I would really appreciate if some of the brethren could give me some ADVICE on this
How do you know without a doubt where Jesus is today, not yesterday but today?
 

blue_ladybug

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Nope.. there's nobody out here. You're all alone in the universe.. lol
 

Kim82

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Divorce is scriptural under certain circumstances. Remarriage is not allowed....until your former partner dies. Anything else and you have wholesale partner swapping.......a huge complaint by God against the Jews.

Beyond that, Christians are never commanded to marry....or have children. Paul says you are better off unmarried. Or don't remarry.

Incidentally......there are only two births noted in the NT. John the Baptist and Christ Jesus. And only one wedding mentioned only in passing.
God says nothing can separate us from him.

The Bible says God is faithful and just, he will forgive all our sins.

So God will forgive every sin except remarriage?

The bible says, if you obey all the commandments except one, its just the same as breaking them all.

So if you've never been remarried, yet you committed other sins, isn't it still the same as if you've broken the remarriage commandment also?
 

cv5

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God says nothing can separate us from him.

The Bible says God is faithful and just, he will forgive all our sins.

So God will forgive every sin except remarriage?

The bible says, if you obey all the commandments except one, its just the same as breaking them all.

So if you've never been remarried, yet you committed other sins, isn't it still the same as if you've broken the remarriage commandment also?
The remarriage question is not settled IMO. The one mandate that needs no comment is that two believers are not to divorce for any reason other than infidelity. Other issues are more complicated.
Also, frivolous divorce is out of the question as well.
 

Hevosmies

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How do you know without a doubt where Jesus is today, not yesterday but today?
I know very simply, because of this:

Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
 
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I know very simply, because of this:

Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
That is supposed to tell me where Jesus is today right now as we speak?
 

Hevosmies

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That is supposed to tell me where Jesus is today right now as we speak?
Yes its clear. It says He is in heaven UNTIL........ restitution of all things.

Clear as day verse.
 

Kim82

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The remarriage question is not settled IMO. The one mandate that needs no comment is that two believers are not to divorce for any reason other than infidelity. Other issues are more complicated.
Also, frivolous divorce is out of the question as well.
That's how I feel too. Its not settled.

The person who does not believe in divorce has a point. But so does the one who believes in divorce.
 
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Yes its clear. It says He is in heaven UNTIL........ restitution of all things.

Clear as day verse.
Doesn’t that verse say must receive but you say has recieved, that time frame IMO can be debated.

for even after the resurrection didn’t he tell Mary not to touch him for he had not ascended to the father yet and did he not go and come back and showed himself to the women and allowed them grasped his feet. how do you think that happened what took place?
 

jaybird88

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It's a teaching lesson first of all. Coming to us in our human form, God was able to personally teach us who God (Himself) is, What the Holy Spirit is, how to properly interpret the 10 Commandments, How to act/be an example as someone who professes to be a follower of God, how to pray (Lord's Prayer), what message is most important to spread to the world (even today), how to deal with our Adversary, the importance of Faith, how to have power over our Adversary, the things that actually matter to God (Himself - for us to be doing), how to live victorious, how to have Hope (after witnessing Him die and then resurrect), and we were able to witness Him fulfill and do all of these things as our example.

But it would have been difficult if He just said, I am the God of Heaven who created the world, this planet we live on, and everything we see on this planet. But in the role as the (S)on of God, He performed miracles (raised the dead)(healed the sick)(calmed the overbearing sea), was our example of how to live for God, fulfilled the Law, and through that we were able to reason by the Spirit of God that He was God, the Promise, the Messiah!!
I agree, there are many good teachings in the bible, however I am not aware of any teaching where Jesus, or anyone says, “you must believe Jesus is the Most High in order to follow Jesus”.
If you think this has been revealed to you, you should believe it. But are you really willing to accuse everyone else of not being a Christian because they did not get your revelation? Is your revelation scripture?


I dont believe its wise to deviate from scripture based on personal revelation. If its between you and the Lord, no problem, if its between you, the Lord and now everyone else has to believe it to, thats a big problem, this is exactly what Jim Jones did when he murders hundreds of people in south america, he told those people it was all revealed to him. Turned out he was lying and nothing more than a paranoid drug addict.

You provided angels (sons of the Most High) having sex with human women. That comes from the Old Testament which is written in HEBREW/ARAMAIC and those languages do have upper/lower case. And the 4 Gospels were first written in Aramaic before being translated into Greek, then Latin, and eventually English. So, my use of lower and upper case is both proper and factual!!
the Hebrew bible was written in old biblical hebrew, not modern day hebrew and again, no upper/lower case letters. your still basing this on a translator.
i agree the gospels would have been written in hebrew but there is no evidence for this so there is no point in bringing it up. there is good evidence that Mathew was original in hebrew but without a source text there is little point.
and back to your:
Peter said, the Son of God, the Messiah
this is from a greek source text and there was no upper case/lower case. a non existent Jewish text is not evidence.
 

Lanolin

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So you woudl consider trying your best 'pretending'? Not sure hey.
If I wasn't ever 'trying' anything I would be locked up for good.

I have been baptised by immersion yes.
The thing is trying YOUR best isnt allowing God to work in you. Its still doing YOUR best, not Gods best. You need to surrender everything to God, even your mind and He will give you the mind of Christ, which is renewed everyday when you hunger for His word. There is a difference between imitating or copying to actually being IN CHRIST.

What about baptism by the holy spirit.
 
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Believe it or not i have been trying to withdraw from this discussion because i find discussions with calvinists to be the most unplesant exchanges i have ever been involved in.. They always end up making things personal.. They attack the character of the person that does not believe in T.U.L.I.P doctrines..
Hmmmm. I've not seen this except for perhaps one person of late and she may likely deserve it. But that said, it shouldn't be held over her head forever.

Could it be possible that you've made some errant accusations and statements that may damage the character of Calvinists, intentionally or unintentionally?

What do I mean? Here are some examples: Your saying we believe faith is a work. Your generalized broad brush statement "They always end up making things personal..."

If we measure back using your rule consistently, as a just balance, isn't this what you are doing yourself in the above? Or, is there a double standard, one for you, and, one for "them?"

From what I've witnessed on here, as on many other Christian sites the Calvinists receive way more of an assail from the other side than what is given them back. In fact, several on here call us lost among other things. I don't count anti-Calvinists as lost. I count them as brothers and sisters in the LORD.

I believe I've handled your recent statements in an objective manner. Calvinists do not believe in what you've stated them to believe: That faith is a work.

Not one.

That you say for over a decade you've seen this and debated it, well, you've completely misunderstood and/or completely misrepresented them. The very foundation of Reformed beliefs are that faith is not a work of man, not a work at all, because faith is a gift of God. Ephesians 2:8-9 is used as a classic defense of this position. This is why what you say is to be readily rejected as false. Somewhere along the line you got something amiss there. I'd hope you would accept this correction and adjust your statements accordingly.

So, all that being addressed, I'm going to ask: Do you hold a loathing and disdain for "them?" I could gather from the way you speak and misrepresent them, while generalizing them all as always getting personal that you in fact do. I could be wrong, but this is the way it appears.
 

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Believe it or not i have been trying to withdraw from this discussion because i find discussions with calvinists to be the most unplesant exchanges i have ever been involved in.. They always end up making things personal.. They attack the character of the person that does not believe in T.U.L.I.P doctrines..

When i said inheritance i meant it in the terms of a future.. The son had no chance of a future and would die in the foreign land if he did not come back to his Father and confess his foolishness for leaving.. I stand by that assessment of the parable..
Ok that’s odd . I don’t believe that what is in bold is distinctive of Reformed folks. Perhaps you have been talking to the wrong people. You stated that they all ways make things personal . That can be said about anyone not just the Reformed. Also that they consider faith works . That’s the furthest from the fact sir , perhaps it’s a case of mistaken identity.
Blessings
Bill
 

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I agree, there are many good teachings in the bible, however I am not aware of any teaching where Jesus, or anyone says, “you must believe Jesus is the Most High in order to follow Jesus”.
If you think this has been revealed to you, you should believe it. But are you really willing to accuse everyone else of not being a Christian because they did not get your revelation? Is your revelation scripture?
I am presenting you with a conversation between Jesus and the Pharisees.

John 8:
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.

Verse 56 is Jesus claiming Abraham rejoiced to see His day and that Abraham not only did see Him, but was glad.

Now, we know Abraham lived 2,800 years before Jesus is having this conversation with the Pharisees. And Jesus is claiming that Abraham has seen Jesus. So, let's find a verse that puts Jesus with Abraham 2,800+ years ago.

Genesis 14:
18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

Here we have this person called Melchizedek, who is the High Priest of the Most High God [Blessing Abram = Abraham].
This would be when Abram/Abraham was younger and puts us around 2,875 years ago. But how do we know this person called Melchizedek is Jesus
?

Hebrews 6:
20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 7:
1 For thisMelchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

The writer of the Book of Hebrews in 6:20 is showing us that Jesus was the High Priest Melchisadec. Then 7:1-3 shows us that Jesus as Melchisedec the High Priest personally met Abraham in verse 1, and then in verse 3 explains how Melchisedec later became the (S)on of God who know as Jesus. Which proves John 8:56-58 that Abraham did meet Jesus (as Melchizedek) and was glad like verse 56 indicates

So my question to you is, how can Jesus be Melchizedek almost 2900 years before becoming Jesus unless He was God who lives forever?

And lets now look at John 8:58,
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.

Here we have Jesus claiming He is I AM.

So where can we find this I AM at in other places of the Bible?
HAVE YOU EVER READ/HEARD THE STORY OF THE BURNING BUSH?

Here is a conversation between GOD and Moses. Moses sees a burning bush but it is not being consumed and then a VOICE is heard by Moses instructing him to remove his sandals because he is standing on Holy ground. This conversation leads to God telling Moses he will go to Egypt, speak to the Pharaoh, and free God's people. And Moses asked God, who do I say to the people of Israel who sent me. God then tells Moses what His name is.

Exodus 3:
13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Verse 14 is God revealing His NAME to Moses, which is I AM. The verse begins with.......And GOD said unto Moses, so we now know this is GOD speaking and claiming that God's name is I AM.

Now let's go to John 8:58 again where Jesus claims He is I AM.
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.

So, we have Jesus saying He is I AM. And when GOD is speaking to Moses, He says His name is I AM. So Jesus is really saying He is God, whose name is I AM!! He is saying not only is He before Abraham, but He was the voice talking to Moses in the Burning Bush claiming to be GOD, whose name was I AM. Therefore, Jesus in John 8:58 is claiming to be GOD!!

This is why we believe Jesus is God, and you should believe He is God, because He said He was GOD known as I AM!!





I dont believe its wise to deviate from scripture based on personal revelation. If its between you and the Lord, no problem, if its between you, the Lord and now everyone else has to believe it to, thats a big problem, this is exactly what Jim Jones did when he murders hundreds of people in south america, he told those people it was all revealed to him. Turned out he was lying and nothing more than a paranoid drug addict.
What personal revelation? John 8:58 is conclusive that Jesus claims He is GOD named I AM!! There are no revelations here, just plain words from the mouth of Jesus calling Himself I AM, who is GOD!!



the Hebrew bible was written in old biblical hebrew, not modern day hebrew and again, no upper/lower case letters. your still basing this on a translator.
There would be no reason to distinguish what sons of the Most High is from Son of the Most High until the New Testament. So your point is moot and invalid.



i agree the gospels would have been written in hebrew but there is no evidence for this so there is no point in bringing it up. there is good evidence that Mathew was original in hebrew but without a source text there is little point.
They were Jews speaking/writing in their native language. The evidence is rather conclusive whether there is a point to be made or not.



and back to your:
this is from a greek source text and there was no upper case/lower case. a non existent Jewish text is not evidence.
We know the Gospels were translated into the Greek. This is obvious then, they were a different language than the Greek, in order for it be translated into the Greek. And since they were known to all others and to us as Jews, whose lineage include the Hebrews and Israelite's, it's a safe assumption to believe the language the Gospels originally were written in was Hebrew/Aramaic, before being translated into the Greek.
 

cv5

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I am presenting you with a conversation between Jesus and the Pharisees.

John 8:
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.

Verse 56 is Jesus claiming Abraham rejoiced to see His day and that Abraham not only did see Him, but was glad.

Now, we know Abraham lived 2,800 years before Jesus is having this conversation with the Pharisees. And Jesus is claiming that Abraham has seen Jesus. So, let's find a verse that puts Jesus with Abraham 2,800+ years ago.

Genesis 14:
18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

Here we have this person called Melchizedek, who is the High Priest of the Most High God [Blessing Abram = Abraham].
This would be when Abram/Abraham was younger and puts us around 2,875 years ago. But how do we know this person called Melchizedek is Jesus
?

Hebrews 6:
20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 7:
1 For thisMelchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

The writer of the Book of Hebrews in 6:20 is showing us that Jesus was the High Priest Melchisadec. Then 7:1-3 shows us that Jesus as Melchisedec the High Priest personally met Abraham in verse 1, and then in verse 3 explains how Melchisedec later became the (S)on of God who know as Jesus. Which proves John 8:56-58 that Abraham did meet Jesus (as Melchizedek) and was glad like verse 56 indicates

So my question to you is, how can Jesus be Melchizedek almost 2900 years before becoming Jesus unless He was God who lives forever?

And lets now look at John 8:58,
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.

Here we have Jesus claiming He is I AM.

So where can we find this I AM at in other places of the Bible?
HAVE YOU EVER READ/HEARD THE STORY OF THE BURNING BUSH?

Here is a conversation between GOD and Moses. Moses sees a burning bush but it is not being consumed and then a VOICE is heard by Moses instructing him to remove his sandals because he is standing on Holy ground. This conversation leads to God telling Moses he will go to Egypt, speak to the Pharaoh, and free God's people. And Moses asked God, who do I say to the people of Israel who sent me. God then tells Moses what His name is.

Exodus 3:
13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Verse 14 is God revealing His NAME to Moses, which is I AM. The verse begins with.......And GOD said unto Moses, so we now know this is GOD speaking and claiming that God's name is I AM.

Now let's go to John 8:58 again where Jesus claims He is I AM.
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.

So, we have Jesus saying He is I AM. And when GOD is speaking to Moses, He says His name is I AM. So Jesus is really saying He is God, whose name is I AM!! He is saying not only is He before Abraham, but He was the voice talking to Moses in the Burning Bush claiming to be GOD, whose name was I AM. Therefore, Jesus in John 8:58 is claiming to be GOD!!

This is why we believe Jesus is God, and you should believe He is God, because He said He was GOD known as I AM!!







What personal revelation? John 8:58 is conclusive that Jesus claims He is GOD named I AM!! There are no revelations here, just plain words from the mouth of Jesus calling Himself I AM, who is GOD!!





There would be no reason to distinguish what sons of the Most High is from Son of the Most High until the New Testament. So your point is moot and invalid.





They were Jews speaking/writing in their native language. The evidence is rather conclusive whether there is a point to be made or not.





We know the Gospels were translated into the Greek. This is obvious then, they were a different language than the Greek, in order for it be translated into the Greek. And since they were known to all others and to us as Jews, whose lineage include the Hebrews and Israelite's, it's a safe assumption to believe the language the Gospels originally were written in was Hebrew/Aramaic, before being translated into the Greek.
Abraham was born in 2322 BC. Small correction to your post.
Exodus occurred in 1605 BC incidentally....
 

jaybird88

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I am presenting you with a conversation between Jesus and the Pharisees.

John 8:
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.

Verse 56 is Jesus claiming Abraham rejoiced to see His day and that Abraham not only did see Him, but was glad.

Now, we know Abraham lived 2,800 years before Jesus is having this conversation with the Pharisees. And Jesus is claiming that Abraham has seen Jesus. So, let's find a verse that puts Jesus with Abraham 2,800+ years ago.

Genesis 14:
18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

Here we have this person called Melchizedek, who is the High Priest of the Most High God [Blessing Abram = Abraham].
This would be when Abram/Abraham was younger and puts us around 2,875 years ago. But how do we know this person called Melchizedek is Jesus
?

Hebrews 6:
20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 7:
1 For thisMelchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

The writer of the Book of Hebrews in 6:20 is showing us that Jesus was the High Priest Melchisadec. Then 7:1-3 shows us that Jesus as Melchisedec the High Priest personally met Abraham in verse 1, and then in verse 3 explains how Melchisedec later became the (S)on of God who know as Jesus. Which proves John 8:56-58 that Abraham did meet Jesus (as Melchizedek) and was glad like verse 56 indicates

So my question to you is, how can Jesus be Melchizedek almost 2900 years before becoming Jesus unless He was God who lives forever?

And lets now look at John 8:58,
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.

Here we have Jesus claiming He is I AM.

So where can we find this I AM at in other places of the Bible?
HAVE YOU EVER READ/HEARD THE STORY OF THE BURNING BUSH?

Here is a conversation between GOD and Moses. Moses sees a burning bush but it is not being consumed and then a VOICE is heard by Moses instructing him to remove his sandals because he is standing on Holy ground. This conversation leads to God telling Moses he will go to Egypt, speak to the Pharaoh, and free God's people. And Moses asked God, who do I say to the people of Israel who sent me. God then tells Moses what His name is.

Exodus 3:
13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Verse 14 is God revealing His NAME to Moses, which is I AM. The verse begins with.......And GOD said unto Moses, so we now know this is GOD speaking and claiming that God's name is I AM.

Now let's go to John 8:58 again where Jesus claims He is I AM.
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.

So, we have Jesus saying He is I AM. And when GOD is speaking to Moses, He says His name is I AM. So Jesus is really saying He is God, whose name is I AM!! He is saying not only is He before Abraham, but He was the voice talking to Moses in the Burning Bush claiming to be GOD, whose name was I AM. Therefore, Jesus in John 8:58 is claiming to be GOD!!

This is why we believe Jesus is God, and you should believe He is God, because He said He was GOD known as I AM!!
And I would encourage you to believe whatever you learn from reading the scripture. But IMO when you take your opinion and use it against others to decide if they are Christian you destroy their free will to make their own decisions.

also i am means i existed, or in other words beforte Abraham i exist. many sects believed in pre existence at that time.


What personal revelation? John 8:58 is conclusive that Jesus claims He is GOD named I AM!! There are no revelations here, just plain words from the mouth of Jesus calling Himself I AM, who is GOD[/QUOTE

This one:
and through that we were able to reason by the Spirit of God that He was God
are you not saying you are lead by the spirit here?

There would be no reason to distinguish what sons of the Most High is from Son of the Most High until the New Testament. So your point is moot and invalid
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They were Jews speaking/writing in their native language. The evidence is rather conclusive whether there is a point to be made or not.
We know the Gospels were translated into the Greek. This is obvious then, they were a different language than the Greek, in order for it be translated into the Greek. And since they were known to all others and to us as Jews, whose lineage include the Hebrews and Israelite's, it's a safe assumption to believe the language the Gospels originally were written in was Hebrew/Aramaic, before being translated into the Greek.
None the less we do not have a Hebrew souce text to compare with your theory. Your theory is based on a non existence text.