Is there such a thing as an atheist?

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And it confirms that no atheist speaks for another atheist otherwise some atheists would not be arguing the toss about evolution and some atheists would not be dispensing evolution from their belief system.
Generally I tend to agree with other atheists about evolution. However, when we do disagree with one another we never hold dogmatically to any view, but are always willing to concede the point if we are proven wrong. The difference with Christians, I find, is that when there is a disagreement among you it tends to be on some point that neither side wants to relinquish.
 

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Mustaphadrink, how many of these words did you cut and paste? You have lifted many, if not all, of these words from a website called Creation Ministries. I was going to respond when I realized I would not be debating with you, but with some unknown individual. My question is do you understand the questions that are being asked here? I am not sure from the way things have be phrased whether the questioner understands evolution. Would you mind rephrasing in your own words?
If you were really an atheist who understood atheism which means understanding evolution you would understand what has been asked. The fact that you don't suggests your knowledge of atheism and evolution is found wanting and you are nothing more than a cultural atheist. In other words it is convenient for you.

One thing I have noticed is that most atheists do not have an original thought. Most of the time they just parrot what they have been told and do not understand what they are talking about. How do I know this? Simple. The same ideas and phrases appear add infinitum. A bit like muslims who learn the Koran word for word but they have no idea what it means.
 

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The deity of the Old Testament strikes many of us as being far from perfect. For starters he declares himself a jealous god, and we all know that nothing good comes of jealousy.
Little do you know.....

Jealousy is a very good thing to have. I am very jealous of my family and would protect them at the drop of a hat.
 

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Generally I tend to agree with other atheists about evolution. However, when we do disagree with one another we never hold dogmatically to any view, but are always willing to concede the point if we are proven wrong. The difference with Christians, I find, is that when there is a disagreement among you it tends to be on some point that neither side wants to relinquish.
God is dearer to us than theory & understanding. we become zealously defensive of His name, sometimes naively so =]
 
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Cycel, to what I am pointing out is, to believe in Jesus is to understand Adam and Eve. Adam brought sin and death to all men through him, Jesus is considered the second Adam by bringing righteousness and life to all men through Him.

I can understand why people think it's foolishness, so my question is, do you guys understand why we think it's not?
I am going to come at this question from a different direction this time. I do understand the point: If Adam and Eve are a myth, and the Fall is a myth, then there is no need for Christ's salvation – no need for Christianity; therefore the myth is essential. I do understand, but that doesn't change the mythical appearance of the story. I think you may be in a bit of a quandary.
 
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Little do you know.....

Jealousy is a very good thing to have. I am very jealous of my family and would protect them at the drop of a hat.
At the same time you wouldn't have any trouble, if pressed, to relate how jealousy can go terribly wrong.
 
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I am starting to ask myself the same question. Part of it is I want to correct misunderstandings, and there are many. Another part of it is that I simply enjoy the debate.
Is it quite possible that you are being drawn by God at some degree? Not often do people take interest in anything we believe (whether discussion or such) unless they are being drawn by God.
 

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I hadn't heard this before, but it doesn't surprise me some think this way. It seems to me that the Old Testament condones abortion. Does this ring a bell with you?Cheers
No, it doesn't ring a bell with me because I have studied the subject and as yet have not found any Old Testament passage that talks about condoning abortion. I guess it is one of those claims that atheists throw into the ring without evidence and hope no one will challenge it.
 
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One thing I have noticed is that most atheists do not have an original thought. Most of the time they just parrot what they have been told and do not understand what they are talking about. How do I know this? Simple. The same ideas and phrases appear add infinitum. A bit like muslims who learn the Koran word for word but they have no idea what it means.
Would that be anything like Christians using the same scriptural passages over and over? Do you know how many times I've heard Psalm 14, “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God”?

Mustaphadrink, when creationists ask the same questions over and over again about some point of evolutionary theory of course they are going to get the same explanation. What you've said really doesn't make a lot of sense. So go ahead, give me an example of what you mean an I will explain why I must use a particular answer.
 
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I am going to come at this question from a different direction this time. I do understand the point: If Adam and Eve are a myth, and the Fall is a myth, then there is no need for Christ's salvation – no need for Christianity; therefore the myth is essential. I do understand, but that doesn't change the mythical appearance of the story. I think you may be in a bit of a quandary.
Do you seek God? Do you seek to glory Him? If not, you might be at the state of total depravity, I do not say that proudly. The bible describes this as the state in which man lives by his own rules instead of God's. That he is too worldly guided to actually desire God. Every human whether at one point or the rest of their lives experiences this. The bible says you must be drawn by God to seek God, you cannot do that on your own because it's impossible in the state of total depravity. The reason is because we had fallen from grace.
 
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Little do you know.....

Jealousy is a very good thing to have. I am very jealous of my family and would protect them at the drop of a hat.

[h=3]Exodus 20:17[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's




Don't be jealous. You can be protective, but that is different than Jealousy.

[h=3]Galatians 5:19-21[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.



Envyings is a form of jealousy, some interpretations actually just put Jealousy instead of envyings. Covet, Jealous, Envy, they're extremely similar. I just put a NT quote and an OT quote for ya.
 
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Would that be anything like Christians using the same scriptural passages over and over? Do you know how many times I've heard Psalm 14, “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God”?

Mustaphadrink, when creationists ask the same questions over and over again about some point of evolutionary theory of course they are going to get the same explanation. What you've said really doesn't make a lot of sense. So go ahead, give me an example of what you mean an I will explain why I must use a particular answer.
OH, are you an atheist?

I havent checked the tons of threads previously, but if you are I have a lot of things to get you thinking.

Just let me know :)
 

mustaphadrink

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But surely the very notion of a man 600 years old is lunacy in itself. If he were not to age, People of that time would have worshipped him as a God or a Demon. If he aged as a natural human. His body would have been too decrepit to life a hammer let alone build an ark. It's a lovely story but there are too many logistical impossibilities for it to be an accurate account of history. Understanding Genetics
Spoken by a true atheist who projects his limited understanding of God and his creation onto everyone else and expects us to believe it is gospel.

A man who was 600 years old then was normal. He was not the only man that was 600 years old, therefore he would have been no different to anyone else so the idea of worshiping him is lunacy itself.

When you try and explain the supernatural with natural thinking you get into all sorts of difficulties and end up believing that man knows more than God when the bible is very clear on that one that the foolishness of God is greater than the wisdom of man.

When you think you know more than God you start making all sorts of weird claims and nonsensical man made thought bubbles.
 
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Cycel said:
I am going to come at this question from a different direction this time. I do understand the point: If Adam and Eve are a myth, and the Fall is a myth, then there is no need for Christ's salvation – no need for Christianity; therefore the myth is essential. I do understand, but that doesn't change the mythical appearance of the story. I think you may be in a bit of a quandary.
Do you seek God? Do you seek to glory Him? If not, you might be at the state of total depravity, I do not say that proudly. The bible describes this as the state in which man lives by his own rules instead of God's. That he is too worldly guided to actually desire God. Every human whether at one point or the rest of their lives experiences this. The bible says you must be drawn by God to seek God, you cannot do that on your own because it's impossible in the state of total depravity. The reason is because we had fallen from grace.
This doesn't begin to address the point I posed.
 
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This doesn't begin to address the point I posed.
Adam and Eve are not a myth... who said that? lol.

In addition, you can't take one part out of the Bible, call it a myth, and then expect the rest of it to be seen as not a myth. Just saying... so I dont know who told you it was a myth, but its fact.
 

mustaphadrink

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So you think it's foolish to NOT believe stories about a talking snake telling a naked woman to eat a magic apple? Can you even understand why someone would have difficulty believing stuff like that?
Two things. There is no mention of an apple in the scriptures but I realise that accuracy is not one of your traits. Everyone who has been blinded by satan will have difficulty with these facts because satan does not want you to know the truth as he is the father of lies so it is obvious that he is going to convince you that lies are the truth.
 

mustaphadrink

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Hmm, I could get on board with this. I don't believe in the supernatural in any capacity. But from now on if I can't find my keys or the remote then I'll blame it on ghosts.Syncretism!
Is that where ghost writing came from!!
 
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OH, are you an atheist?

I havent checked the tons of threads previously, but if you are I have a lot of things to get you thinking.

Just let me know
LOL! I am indeed. Fire away! Feel free to make a conversion attempt. I enjoy the back and forth banter, though, I think I should log off very soon. I don't work tomorrow, but I am getting tired. It's after midnight and I was up this morning at about 5:30 AM.

By the way, I also like the snow. :)